The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

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Originally Posted by app_engine

It had SP Shailaja and not SJ :-)

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Great job by SPS. Sometime SPS really surprises... IMO, she was as good as SJ in this song.

Looks like I'll have to pick from the colossal 1978 starting tomorrow.

While closing the 1977 account, few interesting observations :

1. IR didn't get a chance to compose for the biggies in his debut year 1976, only the "Kumars", and he used SPB as a voice for both SK & VK

2. IR was succesful in opening his account for three of the four biggies of TF - Sivaji (Deepam) / Kamal (16V) / Rajini (BOK) in his second year, 1977.

3. IR never got a chance to compose for one biggie, MGR! (though there was a project started, it didn't progress as MGR became the CM).

4. Now, the most relevant point to this thread - Rajini was the first biggie to have SPB's voice under IR's baton among the four :wink:

A_E, thanks for the links and all the tidbits! To add to your observations, and possibly suppporting it, MSV's usage of SPB for KB movies seems to have gone up after IR's entry.
And another song in support of my notion of MSV being inspired by IR, is Uravugal Thodarkadhai (1978). While initially it seemed to me that IR took a leaf out of MSV's book for this composition, now, looking back at the discography, it feels like MSV could've adapted this style from IR (again, just my opinion, I could stand corrected).

App absolutely fantastic posts. Brings back my own memories of enjoying IR/SPB stuff those days.

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Originally Posted by app_engine

1. MGR quit acting after becoming CM in 1977. Though he threatened to return to films after the loss in parliament elections, he couldn't do it as the people were so scared of his return and they voted him back to power in the assembly elections :wink:

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Originally Posted by app_engine

2. Sivaji continued to patronise TMS, even neglecting IR for a couple of years. Possibly with an eye to promoting Prabhu, he went back to IR in veLLai rOjA and MV started singing for him, alas the lone supporter of TMS too got tired of him.

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There were quite a number of films NT did, no? Deepam, Thyagam, Pattakatti Bairavan, Kavarimaan, etc. Or do you mean his house production? Then, possible he was using MSV until then.

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Originally Posted by KV

And another song in support of my notion of MSV being inspired by IR, is Uravugal Thodarkadhai (1978). While initially it seemed to me that IR took a leaf out of MSV's book for this composition, now, looking back at the discography, it feels like MSV could've adapted this style from IR (again, just my opinion, I could stand corrected).

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Puriyila. You mean UT sounded like MSV of that time, and that it was because it is indeed IR style, and MSV of that time had picked up IR's style? I don't feel that way though...though the piano thing is MSV's forte (Enakkoru kaathali irukindraal...)

I think uravugaL thodargadhai is Vonly IR fossible in entire Indian cinema history.

Plum, agreed. But IR = guitar-na, MSV = piano. Russia-vukku poyee russian-kitteye piano-laa Tchaikovsky vashichi kamicharame.

app,
Thanks a lot to your contribution.......... unga ishta padiyae sollunga.. ana adhukulae,
2 more songs request to u

film - poovarasan

1. Rasathi rasathi

2. Rasa magan - wat a great interludes............ Guitar is the Hero of the song. pl listen......

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00512&lang=en

Grouch, there seemed to be a style that evolved in the late 70s in TFM (salient features being piano, acoustic guitars, drums, SPB); a sort of soft rock ballad style. Both, MSV and IR seemed to have used this around this time period (IR in smaller numbers like in UT, oru veedu iru ullam and MSV in popular KB film songs like Manmada leelai, Avargal, etc). I was just wondering if IR introduced this style which then MSV picked up and gave some lovely songs. Enakkoru kaadhali is more sangathi-laden, vonly MSV-possible bruga-beast! The type of songs that I'm referring to are much lighter on sangathis (breezy'mbangale).

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Originally Posted by groucho070

There were quite a number of films NT did, no? Deepam, Thyagam, Pattakatti Bairavan, Kavarimaan, etc. Or do you mean his house production? Then, possible he was using MSV until then.

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groucho,
After rishimoolam (50'lum Asai varum, nEramidhu nEramidhu), there were no NT movies for IR until veLLai rOjA happened. This was attributed to the strain between TMS & IR. That's what I meant by "neglecting IR for a couple of years".

Deepam / Thyagam / PKB / Vetrikku oruvan / nallathoru kudumbam / nAn vAzha vaippEn - all these happened prior to rishi moolam when TMS-IR had a normal working relationship. Until veLLai rOjA, TMS was more important than IR to Sivaji , in my reading.