IR News and Other Titbits Ver.2009

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Originally Posted by irir123

a deeply ironical self-contradictory position of someone who took the extreme opposite side of his perception of where all his creativity came from!

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I think the "spiritual" aspect is a little overblown - I think IR says that his music "comes by itself, from within or above" only out of humility (or atleast the desire to appear humble).
IR himself summed it up very nicely with this metaphor: "a bird flying is a mechanical procedure. when you film it and view it frame by frame, it is a series of mechanical steps that can be clearly analyzed. but the bird flies without thinking about it mechanically, it flies from its heart." The same can be applied to his music, we can analyze the raagas, rhythm patterns etc. but when he composes it, it comes from his heart. Of course, the rational view is that all that technical knowledge is so deeply embedded in his mind, and the music flows without him having to think too much about technical concepts. But there is no denying that all that knowledge is firmly placed there and shows in his music.

Madhan,
As I mentioned it in a different context, you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

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Originally Posted by Shankar

you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

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while i agree to the overall gist of your words, IMHO, IR often gets things mixed up - whenever 'mystic' elements come in, they often tend to create confusion rather than clarity

Virumbiyavargal padikkalam :)

again Charu

http://rozavasanth.blogspot.com/2009/12/sinuses-3.html

The Poster of 'Thaandavakone' .
At least the poster shows some quality than many other movies that Raaja was associated with lately. Can expect a good movie if this quality is carried forward into the movie making sense :)

This month issue of "Film Fare" contains an article "Master of Melody" at the last page.

பழசிராஜா சில பண்பாட்டு ஐயங்கள்

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திருப்பாவை, திருப்பள்ளி எழுச்சி எல்லாமே கேரளத்தில் பதினெட்டாம் நூற்றாண்டில் உண்டு. திருவஞ்சைக்குளம் போன்ற பல ஆலயங்கள் 19 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுவரைகூட தஞ்சை சைவ ஆதீனங்களால் நிர்வகிக்கப்பட்டன. இப்போதும் ஒரு ஆசாரமாக அந்த வழக்கம் நீடிக்கிறது. அதை நன்றாக தெரிந்தே ராஜா அங்கே அந்த இசையை போட்டிருக்கிறார். அவரளவுக்கு கேரள வரலாறு மலையாளிகளுக்கே தெரியாது. அவரே அவர்களுக்கு தகவல்களைச் சொல்லிக்கொடுப்பதை கண்டிருக்கிறேன்

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

The Poster of 'Thaandavakone' .
At least the poster shows some quality than many other movies that Raaja was associated with lately. Can expect a good movie if this quality is carried forward into the movie making sense :)

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Yes, good still photography work. The producers are called "Ambience movie makers"..the poster really conveys the ambience..I hope the dir of cinematography is equally good.

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Originally Posted by Shankar

Madhan,
As I mentioned it in a different context, you can't (fortunately) explain the music creation, thro' the presently known logical tools, the science of today uses. You can explain the parts, but can never explain how the whole becomes what it is :)

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If you listen to ALL the songs of IR, you would think he is doing a machine generation of tunes :-) Seriously, I think IR and artistic people like him get philosophical/religious because they themselves cannot explain how they came up with a tune. People like rs can say IR worked hard and this is the output ..but there are thousands of people who know raagams or WCM very well but they cannot create tunes..that is why IR says .."music knows me" or "some power found me to deliver these tunes to you"..When there are millions of possible permutations/combinations of the notes, to find the one that is musical is challenging using the computational power we have now and that too probably not possible without human involvement..so I have no conflict with IR's "explanation" of his abilities.
Recently, he said in Om Shanthi audio release function.."if I know music I will just sit back and relax without composing..I dont know so I keep composing" Think about it ..there is no contradiction here too..Many people dont want to do things which they know can do..been there done that ..but with music you dont know HOW it is happening ..or you ARE the one who is doing it ..since there is completion to your satisfaction/achievement you keep trying..

(I hope I also am not confusing like IR it is very clear to me just like it probably is to IR :-) )

though I am familiar with this tamil word,

What is the exact meaning of "ThandavakkonE"?

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Originally Posted by kiru

but there are thousands of people who know raagams or WCM very well but they cannot create tunes

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IR has been picked on by 'purists' from either side - WCM and ICM but yevanavadhu ippadi *compose* panna mudiyuma?

Courtesy of Dr Vijay - IR Yahoo Groups

My Tryst With Ilaiyaraaja-Part 3

The director of Om Shanti gives titbits about thalaivar in the above post.

அடுத்த வலைய விரிச்சிட்டாய்ங்க. யாரு சிக்க போறான்னு தெரில. இன்னைக்கு வந்த நக்கீரன் அட்டையில 'இளையராஜாவை தொட மறுத்த ஜெயேந்திரர்'னு போட்டிருக்காங்க. :?

Ithu veichi koodava controversy create pennuraanga? Thalaivar sneeze penaal kuda news varum polirukkey. Sariyaana alaiyaandinga :curse:

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Originally Posted by AravindMano

அடுத்த வலைய விரிச்சிட்டாய்ங்க. யாரு சிக்க போறான்னு தெரில. இன்னைக்கு வந்த நக்கீரன் அட்டையில 'இளையராஜாவை தொட மறுத்த ஜெயேந்திரர்'னு போட்டிருக்காங்க. :?

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if it is true

Intha aalaiyum mathichu ivaru poi virudhu vangittu vanthurukkaaru paarunga

Sanjeevi,

Wait ! Do you know about Nakkeeran's policy towards Saints ? Sorry..,saints of a particular religion, that too Sankara Mutt ?
Veerappan is the saint for Nakkeeran !

Welcome r_f

Yeah I know the Nakkeeran standard, the worst. In fact, even JV and Reporter are not believable.

"ThandavakkonE"?
Thaandavam - dance
kone - king
Natraj - Shiva - Easwaran

Thalaivar's Dubai Concert now on Kalaignar TV.

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Originally Posted by AravindMano

Thalaivar's Dubai Concert now on Kalaignar TV.

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yes with same set of songs played in previous 2 concerts :twisted:

I may boycott Raaja's next concert if there will not be atleast 10 songs other than this preset. Somebody convey this to our Raaja :idontgetit: :cry2: :banghead:

http://telegraphindia.com/1091224/js...y_11900857.jsp

The experience was wonderful. Previously I had only worked with people who are my age, people who are contemporary. But with Raja Sir, it was very different. He is a great composer and I got to learn many new things. Also, with him, you have to write to precomposed tunes. All the Paa tunes were already there. He was very particular about the phonetics of the songs, the musicality. He is such a simple person. He has done 1,900 films but after meeting him, you will never come to know that.

http://meetchi.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/975/
Enna nu solarathu?

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...paa-tamil.html


Rasa Remakes PAA in Tamil?

meendum veedhalam athanga Charu

http://www.charuonline.com/Dec2009/iruthirutham.html

sema comedyppa intha aaloda :rotfl3:

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

You are blessed and lucky Maddy! I am still waiting for the day!

AhA! Isn't it true that God gives dharisanam not to die hard devotees but the agnostics and atheists? :-)
(Just kidding maddy)

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

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girivalam poneengala?
Is this ur first visit?
I did not like my first visit, poittu vandhapparam ponadhu pidichirundhadhu, second and third visits really brought peace
ippo nenachaale podhum oru vidha relaxation varudhu.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

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girivalam poneengala?
Is this ur first visit?
I did not like my first visit, poittu vandhapparam ponadhu pidichirundhadhu, second and third visits really brought peace
ippo nenachaale podhum oru vidha relaxation varudhu.

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yes, this was my first time.......i found it very difficult starting up and was panting......then there was a paranormal shift in my energy levels and finished the walk quite easily.....something divine and seeing raaja so close by - another divine experience :bow:

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Originally Posted by Plum

AhA! Isn't it true that God gives dharisanam not to die hard devotees but the agnostics and atheists?

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very true.......i have a IR fan frnd who met ARR in a bangalore mall right after i left that place........enna madhiri design idhu-nnu polambi theerthurukken :) .........maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

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Originally Posted by MADDY

...maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

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:)

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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi

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Originally Posted by MADDY

...maybe the larger design is for everyone to choose louu and bury our hate :D

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:)

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:-)
BTW, I ran into Madhavan in Hyderabad airport last month. He was all alone and casual like any other traveller.

Reminds me of the time I saw Rahman in Madras airport around the 1996/97 timeframe. I guess he was coming back from Singapore and the customs officials were falling over themselves to 'serve' him. As usual, he was his simple self.

Maddy :)

Incidentally I have also seen ARR during my visit to India in 2007 at the Chennai airport 8-)

I've recently read a few posts in Shaji's blog (related to IR's music / ARR's dad's music etc) thanks to links from the hub and other places. (I believe Jeyamohan helps him in Thamizh articles. Shaji is also supposedly an associate of JeMo's "arch rival" Charu).

However, this post is somewhat disappointing :
http://shajiwriter.blogspot.com/2009...ingers_31.html

Not because he talks about darling-darling. Please compare these two self-contradictory portions from this post :

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Originally Posted by Shaji

It is true that world over the critics of music have not taken Boney M seriously; but they have not made any negative comments about them either. But in India there is nowadays a trend of holier-than-thou criticism of Boney M.

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Originally Posted by Shaji

As I got acquainted with more and more classy Western music, I gradually realized that Boney M’s basic tunes were less creative and had the goal of addressing the lowest common denominator of the mass of music lovers.

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I think it's time not to take this guy seriously anymore :-)
(This article has other factual errors like crediting 'one way ticket' to BoneyM, calling darling-darling as Priya's theme song etc.)

SPB is running a Telugu singing contest in ETV. It is titled 'Paadutha Teeyaga'. He did it a few years back for ETV before shifting to Maa TV and doing 'Paadalani Undi'. He is now back in ETV. This happens at 9pm or 9:30pm on Monday. Last Monday was dedicated to Raja songs with Gangai Amaran as the judge. As usual the singers are not that great but Balu's comments and his insights into what makes Raja songs great is what makes this show so watchable. My friend, who is ambivalent about Raja, called me to say he enjoyed the insights that Balu provided. As usual, Gangai Amaran was charming and irritating in equal measure. The next Monday (4th Jan) continues with Raja songs. So those of you who have an ETV connection, watch the program.

The episode is not yet loaded on youtube. Instead watch an earlier episode, where K Vishwanath was the judge, and Balu and Vishwanath talk about 'Mounamelanoyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam'. When you listen to people like Balu explain the uniqueness of the song you understand how much more of Raja you do not know !!!

The link to watch Balu talking about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbGh...eature=related

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

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i envy u....did u see him in the girivalam path? or inside the temple? i was planning long time to go for girivalam on full moon day but not getting worked out.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i just saw Ilayaraja sir at thiruvannamalai temple. i saw him within a foot's distance. People around me saluted him and he reciprocated warmly as he kept walking. I was too shocked to react, extraordinary xperience.

He was along with karthik raja, his daughtrinlaw, his 2 grandsons. He was particularly fond of his 2nd grandson :-) .

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i envy u....did u see him in the girivalam path? or inside the temple? i was planning long time to go for girivalam on full moon day but not getting worked out.

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it was inside the temple....

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

SPB is running a Telugu singing contest in ETV. It is titled 'Paadutha Teeyaga'. He did it a few years back for ETV before shifting to Maa TV and doing 'Paadalani Undi'. He is now back in ETV. This happens at 9pm or 9:30pm on Monday. Last Monday was dedicated to Raja songs with Gangai Amaran as the judge. As usual the singers are not that great but Balu's comments and his insights into what makes Raja songs great is what makes this show so watchable. My friend, who is ambivalent about Raja, called me to say he enjoyed the insights that Balu provided. As usual, Gangai Amaran was charming and irritating in equal measure. The next Monday (4th Jan) continues with Raja songs. So those of you who have an ETV connection, watch the program.

The episode is not yet loaded on youtube. Instead watch an earlier episode, where K Vishwanath was the judge, and Balu and Vishwanath talk about 'Mounamelanoyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam'. When you listen to people like Balu explain the uniqueness of the song you understand how much more of Raja you do not know !!!

The link to watch Balu talking about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbGh...eature=related

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This is one of the GA episodes.. waiting for others to be loaded. One of the very good songs from Anthapuram.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYXAV6yG57A

Thanks sivasub. I was hoping the sx4 (Dileep) would load it and as expected he has. Can't thank that man enough for the number of amazing songs / clips that he loads in youtube. His specialty is Telugu Raja.

As I am not a big fan of Ilaiyaraaja of recent years, I usually turn to his earlier songs. There are quite a lot of his songs that I listen to on repeat mode for hours. 'Sangathil paadaatha kavithai' is on the top of the list.

But, when I read this month's 'Uyirmmai', I was shocked to know that the pallavi of that song is a copy of a song (Istanbul, Not Constantinople) by a group called 'The Four Lads'. Anybody knows anything about this? Is there any truth in it? When I tried, I couldn't find that particular song on the net.