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லோகத்துல நல்லவாளும் இருக்கா கெட்டவாளும் இருக்கா! நல்'அவாள்' பத்தி சொல்றதுக்கு எந்த குறையும் இல்லை. ஆனால் கெட்'அவாள்' எல்லாம், பல வகையிலயும் தர்மடி வாங்கிட்ருக்கா பாவம்! பெயரிலேயே ஸ்பெல்லிங் மிஸ்டேக், மற்றும் மீனிங் மிஸ்டேக்கும் கொண்ட இந்த ஞாநி, அப்படி ஒரு சமீபத்திய தர்மடி(வாங்கிய) தர்மலிங்கம்!
rajaramsgi,
I fully agree and support your thoughts. Mine are very similar.
Anyway let us forget this. This will keep happening often. if not Gnani, someone else will come up with some other issue. 'arasiyalla idhellam sagajamappa'
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Delli programa cancel panneettu vandhirkkEn. Poos readya?
Plummar, wizzman, skr… arumayaana padhivugal. :clap: Frankly, there’s nothing more I think that I can add to this. Nonetheless, attendance pOttudrEn.
First, the good things:
Experiencing Raaja’s music performed by a live orchestra is always something special, and with an album like HTNI being the theme, this was bound to be extra special, and it was that. The audacity of the album’s idea and its execution 25 years back was made apparent with the different parts and layers being strung together live.
Like in the NBW concert, the idea of covering even the synth parts with live instruments paid off and the chaps on the bass, guitars and drums did their job exceedingly well. (Aalaap Raju - if this is the same bloke who croons queer sounding melodies these days, he should seriously consider abandoning his singing career with immediate effect and take up his bass more seriously). The keyboard sections in HTNI have an oddly psychedelic quality to them; something that one can associate with classic rock of the 60s and 70s. The keyboardists here managed to bring that out nicely. Raaja’s chella pillais, the ever-dependable violin section and the brass section, despite being at the receiving end of some pathetic sound/volume control, were doing business-as-usual, creating a lovely sonic backdrop for the frontmen to take center stage. And, the men under the spotlight, two kids on the violins and Rajesh Vaidya on the Veenai, let the music soak in them and a good portion of the audience, soak in their music.
The HTNI album, given the intertwined, seemingly complex fusion nature of its pieces, was rendered quite satisfactorily, considering the fact that the original score is no more present with us. Prabhakar deserves special credit for re-creating the notes, that too by listening to the album on CD. Mind-bending effort this’d been! :bow:
Of course, keen ears, well acquainted with the album could’ve spotted several differences with the original; but to listen and write the score for such intricate pieces of music is a feat in itself. Bravo, sir, bravo! :clap:.
The add-on package of songs after the album… terrific, I say! Forget the singing; slim chance that these chinnanjirisus can ever come close to creating an impact like the original. The orchestral parts, however, boy, what a treat! Yeah, classical concert, giant cut-outs of two swamigals in the background; totally inappropriate and all ok. But when it comes to celebrating Raaja’s live music, I’ll be the first in line of alpams standing and craving for more! Budget constraints, for all we know… otherwise they probably might’ve changed the backdrop. But then, to suit the nature of songs, imagine a backdrop of giant images of Bagyaraj and two thundering-thigh aunties in jigujigu costumes… mudiyuma? Vechchaalum indha naadu dhaan thaanguma? Cut the organizers some slack, I say!
The selection of songs was very good, with a good mix of post-2000 and 80s quintessential Raaja disco (sureshji, that first part was possibly a dedication to fans like you). The brass and violins sections, the bass, guitars and acoustic drums; fusion of pop, classical, folk, disco and whatnot - the sound of this, live, what a heady mix! To me, no other composer can ever create this effect. If HTNI was celebrating the elitist/purist genius in Raaja, the latter was celebrating the vallal - the genius who never saw, nor will ever see, any discrimination between elitist/purist/common-man tastes in the audience.
Alright, moving on to some not-so-good parts.
Choosing two teenage kids to play the lead in a live concert featuring an album of such high caliber was always going to be a risk. Their grasp of music and level of playing was commendable, especially given their age. However, it’s my belief, that the nuances, focus on finer details and more importantly, musical maturity, comes only with experience. Raaja’s music, especially his violins, are always high on emotions and a killer in detailing. It’s these things that took a beating at this concert. At several instances, it gave me the feeling that notes were being played alright, but they lacked the emotional quotient. The kids aren’t really at fault here. Why - because Raaja is Raaja and Narasimhan is Narasimhan. Prabhakar, despite his monumental effort in bringing this concert to life, is no Raaja in details of score writing. The kids, the prodigy in them notwithstanding, couldn’t have matched Narasimhan’s maturity and ability in rendering the pieces like in the original. I might be sounding an arrogant brat and a ruthless spoilsport here, but that sadly was the truth. And not necessarily nitpicking for the sake of doing so, at times, they even seemed to be having trouble in getting the bowing right (especially while jumping across strings). The younger one’s violin sounded a bit out-of-tune and when he played Bach’s solo piece, no doubt a decent effort for his age, it sadly was a bit jarring. Again, not the poor one’s fault. A little supervision and guidance from some of the seniors could’ve helped in getting these little things right and made a big difference overall. If Bhava is planning a tour and to take it international as well, these things could come under some heavy scrutiny. I don’t really know what conspired behind Ganesh-Kumaresh getting dropped, but it’s my hunch that it could’ve been that little extra special. Or for some vetti idea, try and convince LS or Narasimhan to take the lead! :yes:
A brilliant album like this deserves some top-notch sound engineering when performed live. The sound engineering, or the lack of it to be precise, in this case, was a pain in the wrong places. The guy at the console, very obviously, had little idea of what he was doing. The volume levels were screwed up in most of the tracks, resulting in a portion of the music not being audible enough or blasting out too loud, drowning the other portions. The feller, I’m guessing, pardon my ill manners, must be a beneficiary of the deceased-father job occupancy policy of the government. I’m sincerely hoping he isn’t going to be part of any of the pending legs of the tour. :evil:
The choice of host for the event was interesting given his musical background. However, in reality, Anil, was pretty disappointing. I was expecting a more technical and articulate introduction to the pieces, but what we ended up getting was very surface-level, and at times simply jingoistic. The LP album cover has some beautifully written lines on each piece, though a bit too technical for general public. The organizers could’ve chosen to use this as the base to create diet version intros at the show. That, I’m guessing, might have worked better for the concert and given it a bit of extra finesse.
I’m really sorry if I’ve dampened some spirits here with all this whining. I’ll move on!
Raaja was pressed, both, by the audience and Bhava, to sing a song. His reluctance was shattered when Bhava used the magical words ‘for amma… please pa’. It should’ve been really emotional for him I think. As he stood there, amidst all the noise and cheering, contemplating on what he must perform, it got me thinking too, on what that special song could be. And then he began ‘sadaa… sadaa unnai’. Though originally written for Ramana Maharishi, at that moment in the concert, to me, it felt like it was Raaja’s special dedication to her, his special one in life.
KV, Whtya :clap: :clap: turn down some heat on Anil..this could well be his first compering job..may be he was simply overwhelmed by the mere presence of the man and came out as nervous wreck most of the times :-) better than having some one like Bosskey for a show of such magnitude :lol2: frankly we lack peeps of such stature who could thread the needle.
Yours is always special KV! Let Bhava reads your comments and do the needful!Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
nalla constructive criticism, KV!
:clap:
rajasaranam,
Do you still feel this is a bhakta maNdali? :lol2:
Kvji , super write up :)
Btw I believe VS Narasimhan was also approached after Ganesh Kumaresh , but due to some reason he backed out ..It would have been a brilliant homage to this extraordinary soundtrack if at all he had agreed to be part of this showpiece celestial event ..
KV,
Very nice to read you honest and wonderful observations! :clap: Definitely if we have been listening to this album since last 20-25 years, we can spot out even the slightest of variations, especially as you nailed it, the emotions! Still as you said a big salute to Prabakaran sir having re-written all the notes, just by hearing. :notworthy: Your recommendations on experienced person playing are again spot on, even we if encourage the youngsters for bravely attempting Maestro's score. I can certainly feel how you missed VS Narasimhan sir. Still I think it is a mighty effort from Bhavatharini and the whole team for attempting to recreate such a magic. Another thing I see from the list of film songs played, some films songs did not sync with the concert ambience. They could have selected songs which would have been ideal/correct for the concert atmosphere or even left it without being played.
rajaramsgi,
Neththi adi sir. Fully concur with you. All critics have been most critical toward Maestro (more than his music), than to others. It seems they enjoy it thoroughly and announce their pride by doing so. I have been also reading RS interaction with Gyani. Even after RS patiently explaining all the reasonings, I see he was so harsh in answering. These people will not try to change, even if their heart tells them to change. Let them be honest to people, but I am damn sure they are not honest to their heart. No one can help them.
I have asked this several times. There is some ladai between IR and VSN. Not sure what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skr
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KV, superb man! i can't do any better than posting ur writeup on twitter, so that it reaches 1000s of Raja fans!
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And, though i cannot mentally recall/repoduce NBW album, i found some erroneous playing here and there in NBW Concert too.
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Awesome coverage guys.. I cant but help envy all who attended the concert.. Downsides of living in a different country means missing out on many socio-cultural and even family events.
It is a pity that even a person of Anil's caliber missed out on the Fugue thing.. Can't believe that. WCM knowledge in the country seems pretty low. Films songs might have been okay. if they picked out ones to illustrate WCM techniques or WCM/ICM fusion .. Guru songs could have been a great choice.
Again thanks for the coverage, even though I will try to get the DVD and watch .. I will miss meeting you music savvy and friendly people in person.
We need Meetups in different parts of the country/world.
I agree with rajaramsgi. IR might or you might be sure he has flaws..but they pale in comparison to his postive contributions to music and social aspects of life. I am afraid culturally we are instituitionalizing an attitude to bring down high-achievers amongst ourselves (Have you heard of the "indian frogs" story ?). More than 15 years ago I might have been critical of Rahman or Deva or other MDs etc. Today, I have the maturity to appreciate all of them, inspite of my preferences for one particular composer. Let us celebrate the good and talented amongst us and grow and prosper together as a healthy, supportive and nurturing society.
nandri hi, guys! kaduppuaagi TWEP order kuduthurveengalo'nnu konjam bayandhen, but mayyam rasigargal, very matured ya :thumbsup:
wiz, squirrel might be new to compering, so presentation skills mannichirlaam, but contentum koattai vittuta? appuram plum signature dhaan gadhi.
skv, in your older post, it says Bhava is planning to release the DVD and audio soon. Ippo akbarrajavum DVD vikkardha sollraare. rendum orE source dhaana? any idea'nga?
idhukku pEru dhAn humility mafia - nAn dhAn sonnEnE....ivangaLA oru standards vechuruppAnga, adhai apdiyE pESaNum, apdiyE nadakkaNum - illainA medical prescription mAdhiri ezhudhi tharuvaainga:
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KV - awesome write-up. As I said, mature young man with excellent taste and commitment towards high-quality music. evLO pEru irupPAnga ivar vayasula ippadi indha kAlaththula - lift your collar and pat yourself on your back, KV. un generationla nee latchathula oruvanA iruppa(forgive the rightful orumai)
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Originally Posted by Plum
:rotfl::rotfl:
Unwrtten rules: Actor an choose MDs, heroine, Dir etc, throw them at will, later gives nose-ring for a MD, so caring!. If a MD gives a damn about buildup song for an actor irrelevant to story- he is arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
In people's mind they have an entitlement for every one, like a Zamindar even when he is penniless is expected to have great respect (vazhnthu kettavan). A Servant even if rises to the top, he should have (their brand of ) humility and loyalty. VK can talk any rubbish, because he is Hero, Comedian Vadivel is expected to be in certain way because he is after all a comedian.
@syrup baliAdurahmanmodel :lol:
nandri plum. vaazhkaila alatchiyamaa irukkara naa, latchathula oruththana? :oops: pOnga baas, neenga eppavume ippidi dhaan.
layman, innikki ungala round kattradha irukkEn.
i've asked you this before, but to no avail. How/where do you come across these strange compilation albums of Raaja? Who does these records? who gives them such funky posters/covers? Who sends them to review sites/magazines? oru underground network maadhiri irukke! konjam vivaram sollungalEn...
KV, I have a heard a lot about his classical music prowess. best of musicians are known to be nervy infront of him so lets see how he goes in other cities..
no one will Gnani seriously if they were to attend his medai nadagams..unintentionally funny :lol:
அப்படியா மன்னிக்கவும்?!. miss பண்ணிட்டேன்.Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
Those compilations are by some labels that catalog global retro sounds (mostly for kitsch factor I guess). I think finders keepers records got to know about Raja when Solla Solla enna perumai song went viral on youtube. Surprisingly they have a good reach, search ' FM playlist ilaiyaraaja "solla solla" ', you can see how many community FM stations played songs from that album. Similarly black eye peas used a Raja's song that came on some CD that had a Raja's song among many old Bollywood dance numbers around 2000.
Nothing much from my part, I have filters to search google, blogs, news, twitter etc for his name (with many possible spellings) which I get as feed to google reader. I post here some after weeding through loads of articles like Raja scores for Samatha's movie etc!:).
:thumbsup: layman, ungal thondu thodarattum. seekers keepers.. mindla vechchukarEn.
KV, thanks for your thoughts!:thumbsup:
yellam kalakureenga with your reviews!:-D
yeah... Quality DVD of the program for the unlucky jantha not get to attend the concert, Bhava, good job! thanks!
Plum , Wizzy , KV and others who attended HTNI.
Looks like Anil Srinivasan has oppified some of the concepts of WCM based on this blog.
Mad Mod Mood Fugue
When Raaja sir has made His first trip to France {on 19-09-1983 through Airfrance} to meet the great french composer and arranger - Paul Mauriat, Raaja sir had specially composed a three piece record composition.
After hearing that composition, Paul Mauriat has appreciated the outcome and also, he proclaimed that it was the first such an attempt.
Actually, it was the same piece - Mad Mod Mood Fugue {2 minutes 03 seconds}. Later this composition has paved the way for the album - "How to name it?"
Fugue is a music concept, which supposed to be originated from the contrapuntal family, however, it differs from other contrapuntal idioms by: A main melody was played and it would be responded by counter-melody at different pitch. It is need not to be a factor of overlapping same melody with regular interval.
BTW, in chorale fugue, main melody will be replicated with two successive voices and fourth voice enters against the first/main melody.
This concept differs with instrumental fugue, I reckon. In canon, the complete main melody will be replicated by follower melody; however, it does not followed in Fugue.
May be a main melody was followed by its follower melody to some extent can called as "Fuga canonica".
Normally, at pre-baroque era, fugal work is performed with voices alone. Later, it had accompainment of instrument. However, Bach's Bourree in e-minor was written for lute.
Coming back to Mad Mod Mood Fugue:
Raaja sir's Mad Mod Mood Fugue is interwoven with three melodies. One violin plays the 15th melakartha raaga Mayamalavagowla and reportedly, 2nd violin plays the counter-melody of Bach's Bourree in e-minor and a bassguitar as bassline to form Trio structure.
Trio is a composition, which is written for three voices and instruments performed by three persons. Here, only 3 instruments play their own melodies.
I personally feel that this three piece orchestra movement is alike Allegretto {a moderately quick tempo} - Allegro {a quick, lively tempo} – Allegretto. {eh?}
At their initial stage, all the three instruments play their own melody without any botheration among themselves, after the 1st minute; there is a fuss among the two violins to consider about their melodies with each other. At 1:20, array of string instruments were more alike Allegro movement {a quick, lively tempo}, wherein western violin’s call was responded by Indian classical violin with bass accompaniment for main melody. Eventually, all the 3 instruments try to sustain their original melody. Subham!
always
~Raaja rules!
http://raajarulez.blogspot.in/2009/0...ood-fugue.html
Plum and Mumbairamki : Btw this writer is a huge Karthik Raja fan :)
கார்த்திக்ராஜாவின் இசை பிடிக்குமென்றாலும், அப்படி என்ன தனிச்சிறப்பு உள்ளதென, படம் வரைந்து பாகம் குறித்து விளக்கவும். 10 மார்க்!
Is there a website which just list **ALL** the songs of Raja, in alphabetical order?! Just a list, need not be playable
simply impossible, I say :)
Ok. Is there a site which lists songs?!? Let it be incomplete, but still....I don't want Movie listing, but Song listing
yes, he might be knowledgeable ..his tunes are also very robust ..but somehow his orchestration of songs leaves something to be desired. The market is very big and appreciative..This is what is preventing him from making it big. Yuvan, sets his goals not so high and executes well (even though I am not fond of his songs.. but I dont find anything jarring either).Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
adhaan thalaivare sollittAre appuRam engaLai pArththu enna kELvi. As for reasons for his failure, my theory is that while he is IR's isai vaarisu in many ways, he failed to inherit the one important ingredient - prolificity. Even if some of Raja's 80s output can be considered average, he was capable of atleast 1 amazing, high quality album per month through that period. Karthikeyan is probably capable of 2 per year, provided the director is ultra involved and the film/story/situ is highly inspiring him creatively. He didnt form sufficient succesful partnerships with directors like that - and that's that. When he was really young, inspiration flowed by itself for the likes of Grahan, Kanmani, Enakkoru etc.
Also one more - and an important reason for my identification with him, and I have to warn you there are absolutely no data points for this theory - is that he is "mentally lazy". One of my Professors in College assessed me thus. (padu paavi, post graduate studiesku Matsciencela apply paNNittu, ivar kitta recommendation letter kEttirundhEn - andha letterla dhaan ipdi ezhudhi irundhAn padupaavi - nalla vELai adhai use paNdradhukku munnAdi oru muRai padichu pArthEn. "PLum is capable of really outstanding research in that this etc but one thing he has to improve is he is mentally lazy"-Am. adhu recommendationAm). I have a hunch, like me, he really creates only when there is absolutely no other go, and creativity thAnA thAnga mudiyAma uLLErundhu pongi kittu varrappO - and such moments are far too infrequent for him to make a mark in his field. (Just as it is for me).
Unlike us, IR, ofcourse, summA ukkArndhAlE, such creativity pongi pongi varum, daily varum, That I believe is the difference
KVm - nAn yAraiyAvadhu pArAtti pArthirukkiyA? anAvasiyamA yAraiyum pArAtti pazhakkamillai - romba pheel paNNA dhAn pArAttuvEn so I really meant it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
Flau, regarding Raja's creativity, yes it is an Amudha surabhi & am sure in this 30 years, he wud hav just got some great tunes/pieces and lost them, in the process of bringing them from his mind to real world.
Regarding karthikeyan, i am not sure if he did many many gems with IR, unofficially working with him. But vaguely remember he contributed even the thenral vanthu theendum bothu etc. Point is, if he got such gems in his minds, he wud have took the other films he got, seriously. But even after ppl like ABCL, Kamal, Maniratnam(dum x 3)even KB(Album movie, chellame chellam song) et all helping karthik raja, he didn't go far. One thing agreed, in all the 4 films i said b4 and his other films, his tunes were unik. agreed. but not completely new sounds. I find them as somewhat extensions of Raja's work. If somebody said they were Raja's still it is bilevable(artistically, not in real terms) So i feel he didn't have BaaNi, pattern which is fresh and unique only to himself. On other end, Yuvan really had something unique to himself and thatswhy he was able to attract lot of directors on his own. Albums like thulluvatho Ilamai, Poovellaam kettuppaar et all had that new sound which was unique only to him. And i feel he is the 1st one to emerge, after Rahman, as youth kamboser, pushing back likes of Deva, GVP even Harris arrived late. One may argue that this new, unique sound of yuvan is not likeable for them, its ok. but his is more unique, original.
Being 1st of Raja's heritage, and also being chella piLLai for all these days, i guess he shud hav kept maintaining himself in field. If not film albums do albums like HTNI, for example. Being the 1st guy of that lineage, he shud have done something. But raja is kind on him is evident. Raja gave the remake rights, use of his tunes as ring tones etc, those financial rights went to karthik.,
Maestro's Tamil Poem Book to be released soon
இளையராஜாவின் 2-வது கவிதை!
இசையமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜா, `வெட்டவெளிதனில் கொட்டிக் கிடக்குது' என்ற பெயரில், ஏற்கனவே ஒரு கவிதை புத்தகம் வெளியிட்டார்.
அடுத்து அவர் இன்னொரு கவிதை புத்தகத்தை விரைவில் வெளியிட இருக்கிறார். புத்தகம் வேகமாக தயாராகிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறது!
Maestro at Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi’s 62nd Aradhana on April 18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfb3T...ature=youtu.be
manathodu mano : Ilayaraaja sirs former troupe member : FLute sudhakar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wes2...feature=relmfu
Mano sir program!:)
Beautiful job!
rukhmani rukhmani....:smokesmirk: oh! ivar dhaanaa andha velai!:swinghead:
Good old A.R.Rahman's ROJA... ennoda paiyyan / cousins etc... ARRahman music albums CDs yellam body part maadhiri vachchu suttittuerukkanunga!:musicsmile:
thanks,