Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

You can see a glass half-full or half-empty. I choose the second choice because I wish it was "full". Many are complacent with the way it is half-full. If Vivekananda did not ask so much questions to his Guru (and may I presume your Guru too looking at your avatar ?) the West would never have known anything about Hinduism. I also feel just one Vivekananda is not enough for 100 years. I want everyone you, me, Mala (that is what your name is bis_mala ?), Surya, Eelavar and everyone in this world to question, doubt, not-to-agree etc etc about what you hear, what you read and even what you believe in every step of life. He did not exempt even himself. He understood and explained Hinduism with his knowledge of science and logic. Now science has grown so much and we need to start thinking and evaluating our religion based on it.

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The current Faces of the todays hindu religion is not The original face of The hindu (The Sanatan Dharma) Religion. There are various impurites, opinions, propagandas, & deviations is found now a days in the devotees & in ancient holy books (or in the whole hindu religion).
So i not wonder about your critics on todays hindu religion,
its common if we think scientifically & logically.
I belive that In order to keep good things always good and to be them more good , criticism is must.

sant tulsidas says "many people wants to follow religion right from there, where their sefishness satisfies."
Thats why Many pandits (not all) had modified the original veda-purans according to fulfill there social needs. But there are still good literature mainly written by sant kabir, Tulsidas, swami vivekanad, Ram-Krisna Paramhansa, Gurunanak deva, and more,by reading them my brain elightened.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

Just remember what is true today can be proved false tomorrow.
What was written or said 1000 years before WILL NOT BE VALID FOR TODAY. "Change" is the only "permanence" in this Universe. Only a small portion of it will be true, if ever.
After something changes it is no more the same thing.

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

following is an example:

If telling a lie is a sin, then it means it is always a sin in all the regions & in all the time ( past, present, future) of the universe.

To Be Contd.

dear pizza
i am very glad, and impressed by your scientific attitude & logical ability. please can u tell me what u have plan to reform The hindu Religion.

cheers

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

appreciate your arguments Mala. Surely you must be a good attorney.

But there IS the Hindu Law which is applicable only to Hindus.

I do not blame you , for you might have surely read it as a part of your curriculum if you were in India.

Irnoically, it was the British who enacted the Hindu Laws and they were strictly based on our scriptures. They had to scrap it out because it did not "fit" the Hindus.

The Hindu Laws were replaced by the Anglo Hindu Law upon which the current Hindu Law is based. This is for your reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_law

And yes, every Hindu in India has to abide by that law.//

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Mr Pizzalot, you need not emphasize that there IS a Hindu Law when I have already said in my post that it is a law subject but optional for students ( in the U where I graduated). I told you I did not take this optional subject, if you read my post carefully. I do not know about universities in India with regard to the curriculum (whether it is compulsory or optional). You asked how much of the Hindu materials such as puranaas etc went into the law; I have referred you to the library or law book shops and I also informed that I am unable to undertake any research for you in that area. You may refer to any material with which you are pleased such as Wikepedia or whatever. I have no comments. Wikepedia is not my reference in my area of work. If you have unearthed anything from authoritative materials acceptable and accepted in Courts of Law in India, I will be interested to hear. Thanks anyway.

Piaalot, THE CONCEPT OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION embodies the facility to any baktha to worship any God or Goddess, regardless of how many times any such God or Goddess may have married. Secondly, if you are of legal background, you know that marriages of gods and goddesses are not justiciable issues which can be brought before the Courts of Law, so there is no use talking about their marriage vis-avis the Law, whatever law that is!! If you do not believe me, just bring a public interest action is your Courts in India and see the result yourself.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

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Originally Posted by bis_mala

Law is made for human beings to comply. Laws made by humans are not applicable to Gods and Goddesses!! How can any human make laws for Gods and Goddesses?

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It is central to both Vaishnavites and Shaivites that God took their avatars in Human form only to show the way to live for the man kind.

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Then get married like the gods and see for yourself if the laws of India relating to marriage override or are subject to the principle you have cited!! Then you can find out how the laws are applied and the various doctrines and adjective laws which enable the Courts to decide in the manner in which they will decide in your case with your peculiar defence!!

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Nope. Hindu Laws or its ante-cedant Vedic Laws were applicable to Humans and were practiced devotedly. According to Manu-smirti, no case can be registered on men even if they killed his wife, animals or sudras as long as he was the owner of these beings.

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You have an Indian Criminal Appellate Court decision to support your contention that manusmiruthi overrides the penal laws relating to homicide? If you can quote, I will be VERY PLEASED to hear. If you have Privy Council or even Pakistani, Burmese, Ceylonese Appellate decisions in this respect, you are also welcome to quote. Otherwise you may consider dropping this part of your argument.

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I do not think it is my fault. I think it is my strength to have the ability to think that everyone be it the King, God or Shankaracharya to be subjected by the same law especially when it is said to be given by God himself. If it is wrong, I will, to my strength, however weak l might be, will attempt to bring the offender to the Law for punishment.

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The general legal doctine is that everyone is equal before the law but in various countries there are exceptions and procedures. India may have their own law. You take advice from an Indian advocate and solicitor. If I were to go and register myself in India for a practising certificate or licence and I were given a case relating a god or God, I will decide not to proceed with the case. The Bench will not be able to deal with Gods!!
Kings - I understand, abolished in India. If so, you may be able to bring a case against a former King if you have sufficient evidence.
Shankaracharia has no immunity whatsoever? Then you may proceed. But if anyone has committed an offence and you know it, do you know what your powers are as a citizen? You may report. The Police and then the Advocate -General (or Attorney-General) will decide whether to proceed or not. Purchase a copy of the Indian Criminal Procedure Code and read it. Ratanlal has commentaries. Please do not come out more confused after that. I finished my LLB & LLM within 5 years. I know that you have legal errors in your argument. Difficult to explain without going into details.

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I will not be at fault to even expect that if God was a gentleman, he himself will surrender. Like Krishna does in Mahabharatha, for every offense (offense according to Manu-Smirti) that he commits. In Shivitism, a poet calls Shiva a bluff even after knowing it is Shiva himself. Now tell me if the Gods fall within the Law or not ?

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Gods, ghosts, dracula, ginnies, fairies, angels, devils, all other creatures besides humans cannot be prosecuted. Drink some milk and have a good sleep puzzlelot!!

Why don't you go back to the story of Buddhists who sold /killed the Hindus and then later became Hindus themselves! Did it not prove the strength of the Hindu religion? If Hinduism is so bad as you make it out to be, why are the Dalits still remaining within the Hindu fold? One or two thngs here may be bad, but most things are "workable" at least?

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

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Great great :wink:

As we, Hindus, know that universe is infinitely created and destructed what was said and rediscovered by yogi masters through transcendal meditations will remain always true and right ETERNALLY...Otherwise it would mean that Knowledge always change what is for me just nonsense...

True Knowledge is not movable... It is for me as logic as mathematics...

What is Truth will remain Truth for EVER ! (Like True Science will remain true for ever, but if a science is not true, it could change over the age)

God is always God... He do not change...In fact True Knowledge is a part of God so it can not change.. :wink:

Pizzalot,
Hope you will understand that, otherwise i'm sorry but you will not understand the esoteric mystery part of Hinduism.. :wink:

You are a very strange Hindu.. Who critize Hinduism severely but pretend to be a Hindu..

You talked about Ram as if it was a stupid idea to trust to the part of mystery and symbolism found in Ramanaya..

If you were a hindu i do not think you will have mocked... Or maybe you haven't understand the message behind this myth..

Pizzalot it is good to be critics, very good, but paranoia must not take the over.. A hindu believe to his Guru who himself was enlighted by another Guru or a Yogi...
Holy saint never lies. Thiru-Kural will remain Thiru for ever.. Otherwise there is no need to trust it..

Pizzalot went from Discussing the Hindu Genocide, to Talking about the Loyalty of Nazies to Iran, to Putting Hinduism in Bad Light....:? :?

Thalai-ye suthi mookai thodara maathiri, suthi suthi, kadaiseela vanthutaaru avaroda point-u-kku which exposed him. :lol2:

Anywayz,

Back to the Topic....

Anyone have any info on the BOMB BLAST on THE MATHURA EXPRESS in LUCKNOW yesterday? :x

Surya,

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Pizzalot went from Discussing the Hindu Genocide, to Talking about the Loyalty of Nazies to Iran, to Putting Hinduism in Bad Light....

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You got the point my friend. :wink:
I cannot believe what he pretends to be.. :? :roll:

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

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In what sense u write it, i dont understand.
By the way according to my guru (in my avatar) the rules and regulations described in vedas & purans are always remains unchangeable to any region & to any time in the universe & it always applicable on all species in the earth & also on all gods & godessess.

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Great great :wink:

As we, Hindus, know that universe is infinitely created and destructed what was said and rediscovered by yogi masters through transcendal meditations will remain always true and right ETERNALLY...Otherwise it would mean that Knowledge always change what is for me just nonsense...

True Knowledge is not movable... It is for me as logic as mathematics...

What is Truth will remain Truth for EVER ! (Like True Science will remain true for ever, but if a science is not true, it could change over the age)

God is always God... He do not change...In fact True Knowledge is a part of God so it can not change.. :wink:

Pizzalot,
Hope you will understand that, otherwise i'm sorry but you will not understand the esoteric mystery part of Hinduism.. :wink:

You are a very strange Hindu.. Who critize Hinduism severely but pretend to be a Hindu..

You talked about Ram as if it was a stupid idea to trust to the part of mystery and symbolism found in Ramanaya..

If you were a hindu i do not think you will have mocked... Or maybe you haven't understand the message behind this myth..

Pizzalot it is good to be critics, very good, but paranoia must not take the over.. A hindu believe to his Guru who himself was enlighted by another Guru or a Yogi...
Holy saint never lies. Thiru-Kural will remain Thiru for ever.. Otherwise there is no need to trust it..

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Please go ahead on the discussion of the Genocide Of The Hindus based on The Truth.

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Please go ahead on the discussion of the Genocide Of The Hindus based on The Truth.

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Thanks !!

So ??? Where should we start ? Since everyone is silent let me pick .. Genocide of Krishna's family itself by Gandhari's curse or the Genocide of Kalinga people by the Mau-Aryas ?