A shame

Shakti: I should say it used to be safe in Bombay. I've had a few experiences of travelling alone in the night in Bombay so has my mother... I remember when my dad was in hospital and we used to do rounds.... one of us would stay till 11:00 or 11:30 in the night and take a bus/taxi home.... we've never had a problem coming back home alone at that time of the night!

Even a couple of years ago, I landed in Bombay in the middle of the night, didn't have a problem taking a taxi from the Internation airport to Gateway at that time of the night.. and I've done that a few times before as well!

I am not sure if it still the same there....I've never felt that safe in Madras at all though....

Hmmm... I feel Singapore is more safer... We sometimes used to go out for mid-night walks & I've seen girls on the road even at such odd hours... & I've always seen this young lady, who lives in the same condo where we live... She goes for jogging almost everyday at around 11.30PM!!!!!!...She'll be back after a long jog(an hr or so) in the neighbourhood... though I've not tried any such things myself, I've always felt it safer ever since I landed here... I lived in B'lore previously & never have I had the guts to keep the door open,when I'm alone at home, even during day time!!!...

I know what u are talkin about anou and dev.

Few months back, I wanted to take a citi-taxi to my aunt's house which is quite far off(1.5 hours drive from my place and in a relatively lonely area too)

I was under the idea of starting at around 9pm(due to some work) so that I reach by 10.30 and sleep over there. My aunt was SO STUBBORN and refused rightaway, commanding me TO START by 6.30 so that I dont travel alone after 8 pm (esp near her area)

Even when I argued about cititaxi drivers can be tracked down or that they are decent or that they maintain records, above all I have a small child too to accompany me.....

My aunt refused to give way and I had to travel early to reach there by 8. pm.

Sometimes we feel, world is not a dangerous a place anymore, but alas we are proved wrong. Elders are right after all MANY A TIMES.

Very true, SP... When we r living with good ppl all around us, we feel the whole world is good... But such incidents keep reminding us that it's still not as good as we think it is... When we were in B'lore we had an rick driver who was almost like one among our family... Such a friendly guy with whom I've never hesitated to travel any time of the day... Anytime, anywhere you'll see ppl with diff faces & we r the ones who need to be vigilant always... sad truth!!!...

I believe this is the first incident in Bangalore.

For the past 1.5 years i have traveled several times in the late night so as my colleagues.. We have never faced any problem.

Just one day before the incident I traveled in a call taxi by 11.30 p.m. Now I am getting more phone calls from my friends and relatives. All advise.

This has shaken the entire city.It’s a very big shock for software and BPO people.

The incident here is more appaling since the Vehicle was provided by the company and not some City Taxi. The driver and the vehicle are registered with the Company in question. The regular driver was not able to pick the lady and hence was replaced by this guy. If you are not safe in the vehicle provided to you by your company then what is safe.Please remember this is not some small time company but one of the biggest MNC's.

//I believe this is the first incident in Bangalore. //

No swathy this is not the first incident. Thought the combination of rape and murder is for the first time. Last year an Intel employee was killed by hitting on his head. People are regularly mugged, beaten for petty cash. Ther has been incidents of forced withdrawals from ATM stations. So much so that City commisioner had requested employees to hide thier ID Tags while out of your office and not to travel alone in night (after 7).

You and your colleagues are lucky but dont try it hard. There is much less to loose in being safe.

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Originally Posted by Sandeep

You and your colleagues are lucky but dont try it hard. There is much less to loose in being safe.

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Almost all of us are in great shock. Even this Friday I was supposed to stay back .I went to office on Saturday instead of staying back on friday. Today we should discuss with our manager in Hyderabad regarding this.

FYI...

With the incidents happening around us and the crime that is been reported we can SAFELY say that each day is getting worse in our good old garden city. Under this situation we will always have a question in our conscious mind which asks us AM I SAFE ? No one can give you an accurate answer to this .... crime is like an accident which we can meet up with at anytime.The best way not to meet with it is to follow the doctors proverb "PRECAUTION IS BETTER THAN CURE" . Crime happens only if there is opportunity given to it or when there is chance for it.

A few tips that can definitely help everyone,

1) Avoid speaking to people whom you don't know (au to rickshaw driver, taxi drivers ....)

2) Avoid late night parties.

3) Do not mix drinking with your wonderful ability to drive.

4) Avoid taking ladies to the late night parties, if you cannot avoid then try going in groups.

7) Avoid taking short cuts when going out in the nights.

8) Avoid restaurant/dhabas in the outskirts of the city as these are places where anti social elements usually hang out.

9) Report incidents to the police if you feel it is the correct information that you are providing to them.

10) Make sure you inform any one before you visit them late at night and also specify time frames.

11) Avoid arguing with auto rickshaw drivers and also when you find people who are fighting on roads(it could be a trap)

12) Avoid having personal and friendly conversation with taxi d rivers, auto rickshaw drivers , Cab drivers (Specially women)

13) If the driver behaves suspiciously/ rudely try to divert the vehicle to some public place and then immediately get off. Inform the transport department and your manager.

14) Women make sure that you are carrying something to protect yourselves such as a bottle of pepper spray and also make sure that you are wearing a jacket or a shawl if you are not escorted by a man whom you know.

Below attached are the list of phone numbers of police stations of your respective areas in Bangalore. Please keep them handy so that it will be of some use to you some day... As the famous Theory of Charles Darwin goes " Survival of the fittest" . When there is no mercy from the assailant why then should be the sa me from you.

Contact Numbers of ACP's (EAST DIVISION)

NAME OF SUB-DIVISION & PHONE NO
OFFICE

A.C.P.ULSOOR,
22942143

P.I.ULSOOR,
22942540

P.I.INDIRANAGAR,
22942541

P.I.H.A.L,
22942542

P.I.BYAPPANAHALLY,
22942545

P.I.MAHADEVAPURA,
22942546

P.I.J.B.NAGAR,
22942543

P.I.AI RPORT,
22942544

A.C.P.FRAZER TOWN,
22942145

P.I.FRAZER TOWN,
22942548

P.I.BHARATHINAGAR,
22942547

P.I.D.J.HALLY,
22942550

P.I.COMMERCIAL STREET,
22942549

P.I.SHIVAJINAGAR,
22942597

P.I.BOWRING HOSPITAL,
22942551

A.C.P.K.R.PURAM,
22942147

P.I.K.R.PURAM,
22942553

P.I.BANASAWADI,
22942552

P.I.K.G.HALLY,
22942556

P.I.R.M.NAGAR,
22942554

P.I.HENNUR,
22942557


Contact Numbers of ACP's South Division

NAME OF SUB-DIV & PHONE NO
OFFICE

A.C.P.CHAMARAJPET,
22942165

P.I.CHAMARAJPET,
22942575

P.I.CENTRAL,
22942574

P.I.VICTORIA HOSPITAL,
22942560

P.I.SHANKARAPURAM,
22942558

P.I.N.T.PET,
22942559

P.I.HANUMANHANAGAR,
22942072

P.I.GIRINAGAR,
22942577

P.I.K.G.NAGAR,
22942578

A.C.P.JAYANAGAR,
22942161

P.I.JAYANAGAR,
22942562

P.I.BASAVANAGUDI,
22942057

P.I.BANASHANKARI,
22942564

P.I.J.P.NAGAR,
22942563

P.I.SUBRAMANYAPURA,
22942565

K.S.LAYOUT,
22942567

A.C.P. ADUGODI,
22942163

P.I.MADIVA LA,
22942568

P.I.MICO LAYOUT,
22942569

P.I.ADUGODI,
22942573

P.I.KORAMANGALA,
22942570

P.I.THILAKNAGAR,
22942571

P.I.SIDDAPURA, B.
22942572


Contact Numbers of ACP’s WEST DIVISION

NAME OF SUB-DIVISION & PHONE NO
OFFICE
RES

A.C.P.CHICKPET,
22942149
22942150

P.I.CHICKPET,
22942502
22942702

P.I.UPPARPET,
22942503
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P.I.CITY MARKET,
22942506
22942705

P.I.KALASIPALYA,
22942504
22942704

A.C.P. KENGERI GATE,
22942151
22942152

P.I.COTTONPET,
22942508
22942707

P.I.KENGERI,
22942510
22942904

P.I.BYATARAYANAPURA,
22942507
22942708

P.I.J.J.NAGARA,
22942509
22943340

P.I.JNANABHARATHI,
22942513
22942712

P.I.CHANDRALAYOUT,
22942512
22942894

A.C.P.VIJAYANAGARA,
22942153
22942154

P.I.VIJAYANAGAR,
22942514
22942713

P.I.MAGADIROAD,
22942515
22942714

P.I.BASAVESHWARANAGARA,
22942516
22942715

P.I.KAMAKSHIPALYA,
22942517
22942716

P.I.K.P.AGRAHARA,
22942518
22942717


Contact Numbers of ACP’s NORTH DIVISION

NAME OF SUB-DIVISION & PHONE NO
OFFICE

A.C.P YESHWANTHAPURA,
22942157

P.I.YESHWANTHAPURA,
22942526

P.I.JALAHALLI,
22942527

P.I.R.M.C.YARD,
22942531

P.I.PEENYA,
22942532

P.I.GANGAMMANAGUDI,
22942530

P.I.SOLADEVANAHALLI,
22942529

A.C.P.MALLESWARAM,
22942155

P.I.SRIRAMPURAM,
22942520

P.I.RAJAJINAGAR,
22942522

P.I.MAHALAKSHMI LAYOUT,
22942523

P.I.SUBRAMANYANAGAR,
22942524

P.I.RAJAGOPALANAGARA,
22942525

A.C.P.J.C.NAGARA,
22942159

P.I.HEBBALA,
22942535

P.I.R.T.NAGARA,
22942538

P.I.YELAHANKA NEW TOWN,
22942637

P.I.SANJAYNAGARA,
22942533

P.I.VIDYARANYAPURA,
22942528




Contact Numbers of ACP's (Central Division)

NAME OF SUB-DIV & PHONE NO
OFFICE

A.C.P.ULSOOR GATE,
22942171

P.I.ULSOOR GATE,
22942579

P.I.ASHOKANAGAR,
22942580

P.I.WILSON GARDEN,
22942581

P.I.S.R.NAGAR,
22942582

P.I.S.J.PARK,
22942583

P.I.VIVEKNAGAR,
22942584

A.C.P.SESHADRIPURAM,
22942169

P.I.SESHADRIPURAM,
22942586

P.I.HIGH GROUNDS,
22942587

P.I.VYALIKAVAL,
22942588

P.I.SADASHIVANAGAR,
22942589

A.C.P.VIDHANA SOUDHA,
22942167

P.I.VIDHANA SOUDHA,
22942590

P.I.CUBBON PARK,
22942951




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I don't know if this is yet a matter of shame, but it certainly should be a matter of concern.

Here’s what inspired this write-up:

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20051203.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/16rajeev.htm

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=60153

My attention has of late been caught by articles and press reports regarding the marriage of Hindu women to Muslim men. In case you missed the point, Indian Islamic civil law stipulates that Muslims can only marry Muslims, with the consequence that the said Hindu women need per-force to convert to Islam as a prerequisite to experience the bliss (or is abyss?) of married life. Concepts of pseudo-egalitarianism http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...411&highlight= and pseudo-secularism, propagated by the English media, have inured us to such events and the (religious) majority of the populace of this nation quietly goes about its mundane tasks without taking cognizance of the fact it has just lost an entity invaluable to the propagation and perpetuation of its own existence. Those who do take due cognizance are immediately labeled as being “communal”, and no effort is spared to tarnish and rubbish their reputation (which, in the first place, never existed in eyes of the “secular”).

While it is not my intention to advocate the proscription, or even restriction, of the fundamental right to marriage off free will, it pains me to see the misrepresentation and misuse of this clause of the Indian Constitution, like many other such clauses, to serve the narrow interests of a particular community, and those that feed off it, at the detriment of others. The point I wish to make is that while “grown” humans have every right to decide who they wish to live with, in many such (i.e. these cross-religious) cases these choices are less often based on informed judgment than on coercion, intimidation or a combination thereof.

It is also important to realize that these cases of Hindu-Muslim lovey-dovey union almost always involve a Hindu woman and a Muslim man (yes, there may be genuine exceptions, but I am only addressing the general trend here). Of course, given that she risks real, immediate and debilitating physical harm not only to self, but also to those associated with her, it is easy to understand that the Muslim women would be rather less inclined to participate in adventures of elopement with a Hindu man. While the flight of Hindu women (and, mind you, this is certainly a flight, perhaps yet only a turbo-prop, but still a flight), may be a marker of the social emancipation achieved by these (Hindu) women, such incidents must serve to raise the hackles of those more initiated into concepts of social equality and true egalitarianism and secularism.

The articles by Rajeev Srinivasan and Irfan Husain (listed above), seem to strongly indicate that the cases they analyzed almost certainly involve a high degree of coercion and intimidation, while the episode in Gujarat (also listed above) seems to involve either the call of true love, or a fair amount of brainwashing or a bit of both. I am not an investigative reporter and as such do not possess access to information to which you are not privy, and hence am unable to ascertain for sure the true causal relationship behind each of the above incidents. However, allowing for the possibility that a majority of the cases involving the flight of the maidens are indeed due to the call of love, I wish, and seek your inputs, to ascertain the reasons of why such intelligent species tend to end up making such foolish life-changing decisions (and oh, if willful entry into a restrictive, repressive and regressive patriarchal society isn’t foolish, then pray do tell me what is).

With the limited exposure I have had to this alternative world (yeah, never been there, never done that), I now embark on a reason-finding mission to penetrate the mind of the Hindu woman and ascertain why, pray why, would she even be remotely interested in associating herself with a Muslim man. What follows are a few thoughts currently running through my Hippocampus.

1. The shortcomings of the Hindu religion: Flexible and convenient is a catch-all phrase that sort of sums up a comparison of Hinduism against Islam and Christianity. Most people like it, perhaps some do not. Or perhaps some do not realize the benefits (and the importance) of these traits. Yes, for “lower caste” people, it is easy to get disillusioned even otherwise with this religion: a definitive stain that needs to be bleach-washed.
2. Misinformation: Young people are impressionable and young Hindu females are no exception. It should not be too hard for the initiated to put up and maintain pretenses if the juice is worth the squeeze.
3. The influence of Bollywood: While the negative social influences of Bollywood would fill an encyclopedia, I shall limit myself to the glamorization of the Muslim male brought about by the perpetual insistence on the casting of leading men (not ladies, mind you) with surnames ranging from all types of Khans to all types of Shahs. Sure, there exist non-Khans and non-Shahs too, but honestly
a. What is the proportion of their numbers?
b. How many of them are not supported by surnames such as Bachan?
4. The lure of petro dollars: I am not aware how much of a problem this poses in the northern reaches of the country, but I am convinced that a vast majority of southern Muslim households are powered by the profits of OIC countries. Needless to say, Riyals and Dinars hold much more allure than the RBI-issued Rupee.
5. Physical appearance of the Muslim male: I have had a few Muslim (boy) friends in school and college, and a noticeable connecting cord between them was the singularly exceptional good looks that they were endowed with. However, if our women (yes, our, though not in a possessive but rather in an associative sense), were to fall for appearances, rather than substance, I must say that our Hindu women would fall drastically from the scales of high esteem I have held them in.
6. Lack of physical appeal of the Hindu male: Being a Hindu male myself, I am unable (and unwilling) to comment on this. Would a few women be so generous as to help out here?
7. Mental cockiness of the Hindu male: Eh?? Never would have thought so.
8. True love: Yeah, right.
9. Others: You tell me.

As I started out saying, I wish to learn what could possibly drive these unfortunate creatures into making the disastrous decisions they seem to be making. Every comment is welcome.

Thanks
Ram

Came across this thread y'day but was too tired from my trip to post nething......:)

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If a woman,specially a mother wants to be a sex slave,is proud about it and boasts that she is doing a great social service, the words in my vocabulary won't be enough to describe it.

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Exactly! When I first started reading the article posted by Sandeep, abt how this woman's first customer was, of all the persons, a policeman ( :hammer: ), I felt pity.......until the ending where I came across these statements from her glorifying her trade & encouraging more women to join this "service"! :evil: :hammer:
Incidentally, I wonder now wat those who call themselves as womens' libbers (ie, the ones who, aided by the media, publicly go on bitching abt how women hav been "mistreated" & "deprived of freedom & dignity" by our "outdated" culture/traditions....no I don't mean Kushboo!) wud hav to say abt this type of "freedom" tat is being encouraged by this one "bold" woman here! 'wonder if they wud be proud to see an otherwise low-profile woman "opening up" (in her case, literally!) & bulldozing our "antiquated" social mores so boldly!! :hammer:

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And didn't she make more money from that nasty book by selling it to 10000 real idiots who enjoys third rate sex stories! :x

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Oh yea, if this book tat she wrote abt promoting her "business" disguised as a tragedy story of her life, ever manages to reach bookstalls in TN & never manages to stir a stronger-than-Kushboo controversy there (esp. from parties like PMK) , I'd request those of u living in TN to do us a favour & pelt those hypocrites w/ rotten eggs/watever u can find! :evil:

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By the way Kerala appears to be a good market-500 to 1000 rupees to visit an ugly fifty year old whore! :banghead:

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Looks like many men r turning into really desperate, lonely, broken-down souls! Sounds like a rather dangerously alarming trend tho!