World Cricket II

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Originally Posted by Siv.S

Athuvum Enga kondu vachirukkan paarunga.... :lol:

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:lol: ....

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Originally Posted by P_R

This article makes sense. That the boards are stuck in the past and are arrogant. http://www.legsidefilth.com/?p=693



I totally see his point of view, but I would rather identify with the head-in-the-sand, stuck-in-the-past oldies who will do all they can to scuttle such 'developments'.

udanE, 'do you think ECB is a defender of the game'-nu kEkkappadaadhu. They may have their reasons. Here it works for me. That's all.

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Godwin's law-vai prove paNdrEn - irundhAlum think of "They came for the jews..."

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Originally Posted by P_R

btw I saw a docu about t
he '81 Ashes and Kim Hughes azhugaachchi press-conference on the flight home last week.

Brearley paththi unga karuththu? As a Eng-hater and as a manager.
Wine tasting, book-review paNNittu irundha Oxbridge styleman-ai, beer and adavaadi, brash Bothathai katti mEykkuradhukkAga koNdu vandhAinga. And it worked!
Could imagine him comment about the committee/crowds/press/Aus, a la, Gounder in Brahma: remba anaagareegamA nadandhukkuraanga, illai?

That and Bob Willis' spell hanging by his teeth to even get a chance to play in Leeds and then destroying Aus. Brearley merely changing ends and making him click.

Tayam kidaikkumbOdhu sollunga. mukkiyamA, how much of it, you think is post-facto.

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I dont know much about this series. But he writes in Guardian occasionally and makes a lot of sense - man management ellAm yOsichu senjApla dhAn irukkum - he doesnt claim that but his sense of analysis of psychology of cricketers (een contemporary) sounds a lot sensible. I am inclined to believe in the myth of Mike Brearley.

About Kim Hughes, it seems like Rod Marsh, Lillee, and qutie unsurprisingly, Greg Slipper conspired to make his position untenable and made life hell for him with their attitude in his teams. It is notable that the infamous match in which Lilee and Marsh betted against their own team on the 5th day of the match - and which Australia promptly lost froma winning position - happened during Hughes' captincy.

Imagine how much derision and coutnry-based sarcasm that will evoke if Salman Butt had done it under Misbah? Also, I guess it should have been investigated even closely - the aussie bas***ds (this is not a profanity - this is an aussie term of endearment, remember) got away with murder.

BTW, just a week before, Broad tweeted about the media with some cuss words masked with *s like "bas***rds" or something like that. Nary a word of protest from ECB let alone a fine. ECB have one rule for KP and another for natives. This much is obvious. One has to see how many Saffers (saffer whites) understand this eventually.

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If he wants to spend time with family, why not sit out of IPL and do it? No I want to make money by playing T20 in IPL and then opt out of Eng matches -

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Come on - ODI is a dead format. As your friend Mahesh out it - Test Cricket offers legacy; T20 offers money. ODIs have lost relevance. If Bell or Broad or Anderson had the same level of marketeability- they'd do the same. And mark my words, ECB will bend over backwards for them. This will happen int he next 1 or two years - nInga pArkka dhAnE pORInga. (not Necessarily maNi, agalam or adhyilmagan)

This IS the problem. The creme-la-creme would slowly want to move away from ODIs -except perhaps MSD, who is primarily suitable for that format more than any other format. adhanAla dhAn sonnEn - the day SRT and MSD retire from ODIs, that format is dead as a well.. dead duck. Sticking to the letter of the contract might be amusing for you because it suits you but a) ECB will one day do the same nAdhArithanam on things you hold dear just because it suits their politics. Remember at that point - you have no right to complain then. b) It is stupid and self-defeating for ECB.

T20 is a lottery so I dont believe KP enhances England's T20 WC chances - for all we know, England might win the WC again. And/or probably the 2015 ODI WC. But that doesnt change the fact that ECB are being extra ordinarily nAdhAri here and one day, Cricket lovers will pay dearly for encouraging the ECB just becuase it suits them now.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Godwin's law-vai prove paNdrEn - irundhAlum think of "They came for the jews..."

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adhellAm varumbOdhu pArththukkalaam. ippOdhaikku T20, IPL mEla evan kallai koNdu adikkiRaanO, avanukku udhavi paNNalainaalum, at least thittAma irukkaNum.

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Originally Posted by Plum

BTW, just a week before, Broad tweeted about the media with some cuss words masked with *s like "bas***rds" or something like that. Nary a word of protest from ECB let alone a fine.

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Oh is it. Searching now. ivan crime rate-ku aLavu illAma dhaan pOyittu irukku.

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Originally Posted by Plum

If Bell or Broad or Anderson had the same level of marketeability- they'd do the same. And mark my words, ECB will bend over backwards for them.

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appo pEsalaam.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Sticking to the letter of the contract might be amusing for you because it suits you but a) ECB will one day do the same nAdhArithanam on things you hold dear just because it suits their politics. Remember at that point - you have no right to complain then.

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Nope. 'All is fair when you are hurting someone who chooses club-cricket T20 over national colours' 'ngra platform-la dhaan ticket eduththirukkEn. I am not forfeiting my right to complain. Rest assured I will, when things run counter to this.

I know one day England will 'look forward', 'make peace with changing times' or change their stance when things turn convenient for them. naan appadiyE kodi kaaththa kumaran range-ku koLgayai maintain paNNuvEn.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Cricket lovers will pay dearly for encouraging the ECB just becuase it suits them now.

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saabam ellAm sari, how?

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Originally Posted by Plum

I dont know much about this series. But he writes in Guardian occasionally and makes a lot of sense - man management ellAm yOsichu senjApla dhAn irukkum - he doesnt claim that but his sense of analysis of psychology of cricketers (een contemporary) sounds a lot sensible. I am inclined to believe in the myth of Mike Brearley.

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Botham was made captain of England. Got trounced in WIndies. Political situation violent - miners protesting against Thatcher, race riots. In that context Aus come to Eng lead by Kim Hughes - who does not enjoy the support of Rod Marsh and Lillee. (seppal paththi andha docu-la adhigam pOdalai).

Botham is picked as the captain for the first of the six tests!! Imagine, a home ashes, not even assured of captaining it fully.

Aus win the first easily. Botham is unimpressive.
They pick him to lead the next two. Botham gets a pair. With some rain, they manage to draw the match. 1-0. Aus looking way better, 4 tests to go.
Botham can't take the pressure of being on judgement after each match. He wants an assurance that he be names for the remaining 4 tests. The committee refuses. And - out of the blue - calls Brearley - who has kinda retired and is doing book reviews on BBC!

Brearley is a nothing player. He makes the batting weaker. They have to drop Woolmer to accommodate him in the eleven and the bowling needs to get all the more sharper. They were going to drop Willis - who seems old and ineffective and hasn't played domestic matches. When the news is passed on to him, he kinda pleads for one last chance. Says he didn't play the domestic matches because he wanted to be fit for the tests.

And that is the famous Leeds test. Botham takes a five-for, but sitll Aus put up a good score.
Then England concede huge lead despite Botham getting a fifty. Following on, England still vulnerable. Scorecard flashes a sign saying a bookmaker offers odds of 500-1 for England. That's how hopeless the situ was. Marsh-Lillee bet. (Gideon Haigh's comment to the effect that: it is not a question of integrity, but the sheet stupidity of such a thing. And the complete lack of respect they had for Hughes. They'd never had done that if Chappell was the captain).

And then Botham smashes a 150 batting with Dilley and Chris Old and set a small target. Willis - who was nearly not picked for the game - bags an 8-for and Eng romp home.

Next match Aus still reasonably on top till the last innings, where Botham bags a 5-for and bundles out Aus
Next match is again a Botham-Willis show and Eng win.
Last test Botham bags ten wickets in the draw.

A complete change in mood ushered in by Brearley, who didn't even get a 50 in the 4 matches he played :-)

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Originally Posted by Plum

Imagine how much derision and coutnry-based sarcasm that will evoke if Salman Butt had done it under Misbah?

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Yup. ippo kooda Rod Marsh unapologetic-A dhaan pEsuraapla. Not about the incident. He kinda said that was a dumb thing to do. But his refusal to cooperate with Kim. "He was probably a good follower, not a good leader" 'nRa range-la. Outspoken Aussie-yaam. vengaayam.

ICC would do well to go easy on rule changes w.r.t ODIs...yam struggling to keep tabs on.. commendable job in making this format irrelevant by this frequent changes :clap: namma ooru cricket punditry wants to give Skipper the option of selecting 2 teams depending on which the toss goes :lol: thank god he isn't in ICC cricket committee

You are the only one saying this. T-20 is a shit useless format and the WC they keep is a joke. The last ODI WC was one of the best ever. Why have 2 World cups for one sport?. Freakin stupid ICC :banghead:

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Originally Posted by Plum

Come on - ODI is a dead format.

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T-20s should be just kept in club formats ala football. Int'l T-20s is stupid and has no relevance in the Nat'l matches they play. They have kept the T-20 wc just to sustain interest.