Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films

Plum, i did not get offended by what Mr. Kamal said. I am not the kind who gets provoked by such kind of jibes / mocks. And am not interested in ur verdict / Justifications on the motives behind such talks :D It is not going to change facts, history, Mr. Kamal's views and ideology or mine or urs. I could see we are heading nowhere. Thanks for ur patience and persistence in explaining counter view points :notworthy: If all hubbers are of such breed (explain POV without sweat words, wind up, digression etc), this forum would be a better place to discuss.

Plum,

இந்துக்கடவுள்களை நக்கல் செய்தாலும் அதிலும் பாரபட்சம் காட்டுகிறார் கமல் என்ற குற்றத்தை வைக்கிறேன் :)

1) ஏன் கந்தசாமி படையாச்சியை ஒரு வைணவ பக்தனாக காட்டவில்லை? சரி.. வைணவமும் வேண்டாம்.. நடுநிலையா ஒரு அய்யனாரையோ, ஒரு மாரியம்மாவையோ அவரது இறைவனாக காட்டியிருக்கலாம்.. அது ஏன் குறிபார்த்து, "தென்னாடுடைய சிவனே போற்றி!" என சிவபெருமானுக்கு அம்பெய்தல்?

2) ஏன் இந்த நக்கல், நையாண்டி எல்லாம் தேவர் மகனில் வரவில்லை? அங்க மட்டும், கௌதமியிடம் இந்தக் கோயில்லதான் நம்ம கல்யாணம் என ஆசை ஆசையாய் சொல்கிறாரே? மேலும், ஊரே தேர்கூடி இழுக்கும்போதுகூட அங்கே தனது பகுத்தறிவு நக்கலை காட்டவில்லையே?

அன்பே சிவம் என சொன்னதற்கு பதிலா, அன்பே வைணவம் என்று இருந்திருந்தாலோ, காந்தி இறக்கும் தருவாயில் "ஹே ராம்!"ற்கு பதில் "ஹே சிவா!" எனச் சொல்லியிருந்தால் கமல் எப்படி அணுகியிருப்பார் எனவும் Room போட்டு யோசிக்கச் சொல்கிறது!

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

மாதவ படையாச்சியை

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"அன்பே ஒன்பது ரூபாய்" பார்த்தா இப்படிப்பட்டக் குழப்பமெல்லாம் வரும்.

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Originally Posted by anbu_kathir

Religion, OTOH, is about how the cosmos and its mysteries are related to oneself individually. That, IMHO, has the potential of changing all activities of life.

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Which will take its own sweet time for people to figure out. And while (and possibly even after) that happens, we are still governed by societal norms, which -whether we like it or not - is moved by the religion - as understood by the lowest-common-denominator, enshrined in practices etc. These are the things that I see Kamal reacting to in his films.

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

மாதவ படையாச்சியை

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"அன்பே ஒன்பது ரூபாய்" பார்த்தா இப்படிப்பட்டக் குழப்பமெல்லாம் வரும்.

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:lol:

Sathya, what I was trying to engage into was into a meaningful understanding of which aspect of Kamal, his thoughts and his cinema is deemed as against Brahmins, or indeed, Hinduism. As equa said, I personally don't feel any such.

So I'd really like to see where the other side is coming from. To be frank, Kalyan's examples are not helpful at all :( . Otoh, there are questions that he(kamal, not kalyan) raises which are very, very important - and this within meaningful and engaging cinema - and it saddens me that people refuse to engage with those, because of the ideological divide. And as I see it I am not defending Kamal here(you won't find me around when box office kamal vs rajni rounds are going) but what he represents for me here. Again, the refusal to engage might be because of a triggered reaction to what is taken as a personal affront from what he says. That is precisely why I am interested in knowing the specifics there.

Kalyan, you are free to take up the mantle to articulate your specific grouses :)

Venkkiram, I see small black squares in your post. I am afraid that's how it is going to be for sometime now as I am limited now in access

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

மாதவ படையாச்சியை

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"அன்பே ஒன்பது ரூபாய்" பார்த்தா இப்படிப்பட்டக் குழப்பமெல்லாம் வரும்.

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நன்றி. திருத்திவிட்டேன்.

Plum, thanks for ur reply and PM. Am shopping with wife and kid now :D will reply in detail tonight!

Had my fellowship exams today. hence couldnt participate in the discussions over the last 24 hours. will join you guys shortly :) :wave:

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Originally Posted by Plum

Ok, that is a very generic statement. Now, illustrate with
1) Examples from his Movies(relevant only for this point - this means "implying that Christian God is powerful" mAdhiri examples solla padAdhu :-) ) where he has <u> Mocked at Specific Brahmin Practices </u>. adhu ennannu modhalla analyse paNNuvOm

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Some of the things which had Brahmins in poor light.

1. Avvai Shanmugi - The Relation between the Shanmugi and Mudaliar...
2. Dasavathaaram - I still don't understand how that paati finds Poovaragavan as her son.. :oops:
3. Panchathathiram - Iyer - Yugi Sethu - asking him to stay with a dead body.. 'Brahmana poi ponathukooda irukka solriyae..'
4. Anbe Sivam - The boy who gets the blood and dies, is of the brahmin family(I remember seeing the parents wearing Brahmin type of dress) - His name is 'Poun' which he related with 'Poun KUNJU'

PS; I am not a brahmin but i feel that these are hurtful for that community when they normally dont do these type of things.
My friend is a brahmin and his father doesn't like KH
Naan list panni irukkuradhula edhavadhu thappa irundhuchuna, periyavanga mannipai kaetukiren.. Especially about Anbe Sivam. I dont have DVDs with me to verify this before posting...