Ramayana - Another Great Epic

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Originally Posted by viggop

A) I thought that Markendeyan was also a chiranjeevi.

B) Also, there is supposed to be a sanskrit slokam on Lord Shiva which is supposed to be very powerful.It was created by Ravana.

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A) Ashwathama Balirvyaso Hanumanscha Vibheeshanaha Kripaphparsuhramascha Sapthaithey Chiranjeevinaha is a popular shloka, though i am not sure of the source, which talks of Kripa as one of the Chiranjeevis!

B) The Shivatandava Stotram: was composed by Ravana in praise of Shiva. The metre and the syllables give off an impression of Power! Consider the beginning:

Jatatavigalajjala pravahapavitasthale
Galeavalambya lambitam bhujangatungamalikam
Damad damad damaddama ninadavadamarvayam
Chakara chandtandavam tanotu nah shivah shivam .

That it is composed by Ravana is known by the last shloka, which is the phalashruti.

Pujavasanasamaye dashavaktragitam
Yah shambhupujanaparam pathati pradoshhe
Tasya sthiram rathagajendraturangayuktam
Lakshmim sadaiva sumukhim pradadati shambhuh

Dashavaktragitam or the song composed by the 10-headed one!

Badri
is this slokam present online? I would like to hear the rendition.Supposed to be a very powerful slokam.

There is one more Chiranjeevi who acts in Telugu films and makes crores ;-) .Just a joke.Sorry for digression!

Another interesting phase in Ramayana is Parashurama’s meeting with Rama… Actually Parashurama was another incarnation of Vishu and the previous one of Rama… I wonder why he could not recognise his next avatar… and almost had head on with Rama.. after Rama was coming from his wedding…
Or probably this incident was necessary for Parasurama to hand over the batton to Rama… to protect the world…

Another interesting aspect , in my opinion is… the character Valee…. If one reads Ramayana… without the Valee episode.. still it remains as Ramayana… I mean.. .the flow of Ramayana epic will in no way get affected even if Valee had not been there….

The only connection probably could be Rama had to meet Sugriva and seek his support to find Seetha and all other incidents followed ??

Otherwise, I don’t find any significant role of Valee having played in the flow of this great epic…

Vali will be born as the hunter in Dwapara yuga and will send the arrow which will kill Lord Krishna.The arror will hit the feet/toe but still Krishna will die.

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Originally Posted by viggop

Vali will be born as the hunter in Dwapara yuga and will send the arrow which will kill Lord Krishna.The arror will hit the feet/toe but still Krishna will die.

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Viggop, from where did you pick this up? :-) It would always be a nice idea to give the source along with the posts. That would make the discussions more meaningful. If there is no source, do not fail to mention that this is hearsay.

The name of the hunter who shoots his arrow on the foot of Krishna is Jara. This event is described in Bhagavata. (Book Eleven, Chapter 6). Bhagavata mentions nothing about Jara's previous birth.

HariKrishnan Sir
I saw that in one of the TV serials(not ramanand sagar's first version).In it,after Rama shoots the arrow at Valee, he'll whisper this in Vali's ear. :oops:

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji

Another interesting phase in Ramayana is Parashurama’s meeting with Rama… Actually Parashurama was another incarnation of Vishu and the previous one of Rama… I wonder why he could not recognise his next avatar… and almost had head on with Rama.. after Rama was coming from his wedding…
Or probably this incident was necessary for Parasurama to hand over the batton to Rama… to protect the world…

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Parasurama's term on earth extends to the period of Mahabaratha. He is the guru of Bhishma. Parasurama is quite aware of the purpose of this incarnation of Rama and it was his sole purpose to hand over the bow - Narayana dhanus (and not Kodhanda, which is a general name for a bow) - in meeting Rama on his way back from Mithila.

He does not challenge Rama for a one-on-one. He wants to test his prowess with the Narayana Dhanus. That's all.

Two or more Avatars could walk the earth at the same time. What is not possible for the Supreme! One cannot think that the Vaikunda was vacant when Rama was here. He is there; He is here and He is everywhere. :-)

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Originally Posted by viggop

HariKrishnan Sir
I saw that in one of the TV serials(not ramanand sagar's first version).In it,after Rama shoots the arrow at Valee, he'll whisper this in Vali's ear. :oops:

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These are oral traditions. Let's respect them. But not to be found in the Texts of the Masters.

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji

Another interesting aspect , in my opinion is… the character Valee…. If one reads Ramayana… without the Valee episode.. still it remains as Ramayana… I mean.. .the flow of Ramayana epic will in no way get affected even if Valee had not been there….

The only connection probably could be Rama had to meet Sugriva and seek his support to find Seetha and all other incidents followed ??

Otherwise, I don’t find any significant role of Valee having played in the flow of this great epic…

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Yes. You are right. Nothing much would be lost if Vali is eliminated from the story. The Ramayana (and of course the Mahabaratha) was in part, history. I do believe this. Otherwise, it is not possible to bring the play of characters with such perfection, and exactitude. Take a look at the characters, or the geographical marks. Simply stupendous. A person sitting at the other end of this vast continent, giving accurrate geographical details of the country till the tip of it.

Therefore, Valmiki has recorded what has happened. If at all he thought so, he could have easily omitted this portion and brought about this turn of events as a dramatist.