Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by Badri

Many converted because they were put to the sword, my dear fellow! Certainly not 95%. The Muslim invasions of the Slave Dynasty and later on the Mughals resulted in mass conversions, arising primarily out of force and the fear thereof.

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People who were converted at the edge of the sword were most successful individuals in the society, but politically subordinated.
(Like one of the Advertising concepts: Show a very successful business or individual using your product or service). Converting the weaker and depressed classes of the society will only result in liability. And nobody would want a liability unless they have strong humanitarian reasons in which case they will not use the sword first.

Do you agree to this Badri ?

If you did: The "elites" of the society who are picked for "model conversions" will be very few in number, correct ? (Per marketing analogy, if you are distributing your samples free to the consumers in order to force them use your product, you will only do it with a small sample size, correct ? Like 0.001% of the population unless you are a MNC marketing cell-phones in a striff competiion ?

While I agree to your point that some were force converted to Islam by measures of discriminated policies or by sword, those numbers would be logically so small that you can safely ignore them in your statistics. Correct ?

How do you explain modern day conversions into Islam ? Where is any sword today ? And who are all those people ? Is any of them members of Upper-Caste community ? The reasons I quoted for conversion were actually the very own words from those converted. Not my own creation.

Mr Badri i found this tread very intresting...............maybe some of my post might have been very irrelevant to this topic, sorry for that!

what ever.............. i guess locking this tread is upto u and eelavar(since he opened this topic), but i wish it still kept going!

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Originally Posted by Badri

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

Next step: While there could be God and we could be his creation, don't you agree when man invents religion, it could be an invention of his convienience ? I am talking about all religions. Not just Hinduism.

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Which is why you have to look at how religions were created. They were not created just like that.

A master of sacrifice and love called Jesus Christ founded Christianity, which is based on love for all beings

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I am taking your first example. Christianity as we know today, was not created by Christ. It was created by St.Paul, who was not born until after 30 years of Jesus Christ was crucified. He was educated in royal school of Rome, a Roman elite you can call. What he wrote is more of a Roman convienience which even the brother of Jesus himself opposed. Jesus actually opposed the Roman establisment and not the Jewish establishment. Paul's "Christianity" puts the blame on Jews for his crucification of the Romans. This was the main reason for Jewish Holcaust all over the world before the WWII. (Hitler had altogether different reasons for persecuting the Jews)

This is one of the classic examples of how religion is created per man's convienience.

Pizzalot: Now you are entering murkier waters than Dan Brown did with his DVC.

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

What he wrote is more of a Roman convienience which even the brother of Jesus himself opposed.

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And do you think Christians of today will feel happy listening to this?

I would have thought the Four Gospels were the basis of the religion. As you know, they were Mark, John, Luke and Matthew, not Paul.

There is no "Paul's" brand of Christianity, which you allude to.

No, my friend, as a Moderator, I cannot allow such discussions to go on in this Forum. There are limits.

My contention was that these religions have as their basis teachings of wonderful men, whom we cannot cast doubts or aspersions upon.

Let us not obfuscate issues by introducing controversies.

I must insist this line of discussion be ended immediately, lest we hurt the sentiments of our hubbers

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Originally Posted by Badri

Haha, that is like saying here, drink this poison, but remember, I am not giving this to kill you!

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In that sense, it's impossible to discuss the majourity of Indian History without having the inevitable take place. :)

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But the way this thread has been proceeding is not like a clinical recounting of historical facts.

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It was fine until one hubber came in bringing hindutva out of nowhere....there were no probs in the thread until then...:)

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Originally Posted by Surya

It was fine until one hubber came in bringing hindutva out of nowhere....there were no probs in the thread until then..

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And you abolutely had to respond, I suppose? Oh no Surya, I have seen you enough in hindutva discussions to buy that line! :wink:

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Originally Posted by Badri

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Originally Posted by Surya

It was fine until one hubber came in bringing hindutva out of nowhere....there were no probs in the thread until then..

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And you abolutely had to respond, I suppose? Oh no Surya, I have seen you enough in hindutva discussions to buy that line! :wink:

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:lol:

I agree that I'm not a secular person, and blah blah blah....but I didn't bring in anything against any community in Present Day India into this thread. I save that stuff for other suitable forums now-a-days. I also posted earlier that we shouldn't say anything outwardly about any Community in India Today, for the very same reason.....I don't see any post in the thread that took the thread away from it's original path before that one post.

But anywayz, @ the rate this thread is going...(it seems that bringing hindutva into this is inevitable because of some hubbers) :roll: it's up to u and eelavar..

But Hopefuly I can continue posting in my "Chartrapathy" thread which I abandoned a few months ago? :huh:

Agreed. Let us end it.

Bandri,

close the thread if you want, i will have after nothing to do in this secular forum. My contribution willl be useless.

Do what you want ! Speaking to a wall is useless !

Opening this thread was not bad at my own view. It permitted to many to know what they never learned..

This part of our sad history is not explained and teached in any history course, why ?? At school we learn a lot about genocide of Nazis or Indians of America.
So it is taboo to talk about genocide of Hindus whichwas commited for 1000 centuries (and stil continuing)???

Badri this thread is very important for your general knowledge.
It is the biggest genocide in number of deaths, this genocide influenced a lot India. I don't think it is bad to talk about.
Don't talk about it's negation...

Badri you are a modorerator sure, but nobody closed this thread still, so i don't think that you should just because you are not agree with !! :roll:

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

Badri you are a modorerator sure, but nobody closed this thread still, so i don't think that you should just because you are not agree with !! :roll:

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:rotfl:
Sorry Badri.. Couldn't control