Wow, thanks so much, Plum. ungaL sEvai engaLukkuth thEvai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
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Wow, thanks so much, Plum. ungaL sEvai engaLukkuth thEvai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Raja attends another public meeting - the launch of 'kulasekaran & koolippadai'. And the reports repeat the term "who rarely attends such functions".
It appears the other way around nowadays - he seems to attend every one of such functions.
Everything is a "turn-off" for this movie (dhanam director, Satyaraj / Prakashraj / unknown hero, lacklustre actresses etc).
எண்ணக்கணக்குக்கு ஒண்ணு கூடும் - அம்புட்டுத்தேன் :-(
app_eng,
What a combination, sirjee!! I did not know that the director was the same one who did Dhanam. I thought he would by now have been driven out of town but strange are the ways of filmdom. What sort of inspiration will Raja get from this guy? God only knows.
As you observed, Raja seems to have got some new PR guy :) He is there at many places.
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...ary/180110.asp
Enna thala enna aachu ungalukku?
http://solvanam.com/?p=5490
some interesting info about Film Music
Second this!Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
On the GKV-point: Confirms what i heard from a friend. So much work was delegated by the composer to Raaja that he ends up doing most of the composing.
sh!!!!!!!! Mooch !!! Bala , satham podapdaadhu. Apram pre IR MD'skku yellam kodai pidikkum OISG, Vengayam, SriramLakshman jambavangaLukku kobam vandhu "dhool" keLapuvaaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
And I thought the Telugu song that SPB referred to (even if they played only a bit of it) was just lovely! indhap pAttellAm enga pOyi thEdaRadhu?
equa, You mean "ravi varmakE andhani okE oka andhAnivO"? I think it has a tamil version - rendu nALA mandaiya kasakkinaalum gnabagam varalai.
Mr Sikkan 65-ku theriyumAnnu kEttu pArkaNum...
(Suresh, no offence!)
I think MS(of old tfmpage not the NT fan) hosted a set of SPB songs somewhere. Either that or he recorded them in his voice. adhula irukkaNum. nInga dhAn internet vasthaadAchE. epdiyAvadhu google search paNNi kandu pidichuduvInga!
I guess we had this discussion during their tenure in TFMpage. The consensus was that it was a canard that Raja scored for GKV. In particular, KJY is said to have confirmed that it was GKV who scored thEN sindhudhAe vAnam, rather than IR as the popular belief is. That was the clincher based on which a "hence, proved" was stamped on "IR did not ghost compose for GKV". Now, SPB has reopened the debate. I guess his words should carry some weight as all of them are known to be SPB-ers rather than KJY-ers :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
பயங்கரமா உதைக்குதே, யேசுதாஸுக்கும் அந்தப்பாட்டுக்கும் என்ன சம்பந்தம்? அந்தப்படத்துலயே அவர் பாடலயே?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The song 'தஞ்சாவூரு சீமையிலே' from the same movie was a roaring folk number (sung by the GKV-IR fav lady, SJ) and was my favourite along with thEn sindhudhE during the pre-IR days, days when nobody seriously talked about who is the MD etc. It was regularly played in our school before certain functions.
I think both have some truth in it - that IR learnt a lot of techniques working with GKV and GKV got some inputs from this born-genius. Still, despite claims / counter-claims, even if that comes from SPB, I'm not going to subscribe to discrediting GKV.
இதெல்லாம் GKV இருந்தப்போ பாலு சொல்லியிருந்தால் பரவாயில்லை. தற்போது நம்புவதற்கில்லை :-(
If SPB makes another loose comment about some IR song where an assistant had a sumaal input (e.g. punnagai mannan), are we going to make a judgement that so many of IR's works were by assistants?
"So much work was delegated by the composer to Raaja that he ends up doing most of the composing" (in those songs where the delegation is more)
Avar munna sonnadhu ellame namakku theriya varanumnu avasiyam illayeQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
How can we say for sure what the magnitude or kind of input was?Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Also, there is a difference between playing an instrument and arranging, composing etc illaya?
I agree Bala (to both).
Actually there's a strong case for a song from aduthAththu Albert (GKV Kannada song mysooru malligE used as munooru milliyE by IR here). Having worked with GKV for more than 100 movies, it's very possible IR had a lot of inputs.
Still, I somehow feel uncomfortable questioning / discussing the credentials of someone dead - and not in a position to defend himself.
Raja himself told in varalAtru suvadugaL that because his input was once made fun of, he was determined not to suggest anymore during GKV's sessions and reserved them for later (i.e. if and when he gets a chance). And he had decent regards for GKV always (MTK one example, also IR supposedly played some "benefit match" for GKV etc).
I think if IR is not complaining of getting a raw deal from some mudhalALi, there's not a case to discuss :-)
Plum,
No offense taken :D I am not sure if equa is talking about 'ravivarmake' song or the 'raasanu premaleka' song. And if I remember reading it right, it was PBS who is supposed to have said that GKV was the one who composed it.
I would agree with app_eng that it is not very correct to talk about it now. I guess even Raja may not want the talk. I was surprised that SPB made that statement. Whatever his intent, it does discredit GKV. And 'ravivarmake' is a well loved song in Telugu and Kannada. (I don't know that a Tamil version exists !!) While SPB may think he is correcting some historical wrongs, it doesn't come out that way. I am not saying there is no truth in what he is saying but just that he shouldn't be saying it now.
These have always been contentious matters earlier as well. I vaguely remember reading or hearing about some Subbiah Naidu song actually being composed by MSV-TVR. In Hindi, the songs of R D Burman which came under the name of S D Burman has been debated to death. I have read articles which suggested that 'hum bekhudi mein' from Kaala Pani was actually composed by Jaidev, who was working as S D Burman's assistant at that time. These are all documented in print media earlier and hence I quote here.
Once again I have to say I agree with app_eng and let us respect the memory of GKV. Hope Balu doesn't make such statements in a program which is widely watched.
The latter. The melody was just lovely and I thought the rhythm and the arrangements were striking(ly Raaja-esque).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
megangale ingu vaarungalen also is under GKV baton - but the signature is typical IR which he explored so beautifully in Thangaaliyalli ...
This is probably not related to GKV, but I positively remember IR saying in program/interview that lot of work was being done by assistants and the MDs were taking the credit. He did not want to do the same so he never had assistants. In one TV interview a mridhangham artist mentioned that IR wrote every syllable of a mridhangam prelude of a good song (I think it is ennuLLE ennuLLE pala minnal ezhum nEram). Uttam Singh and Puru do well-defined roles of an 'arranger' meaning they only work with the notes given by IR. Apparently per GA in the telugu TV program these notes are still around today and GA uses it for his stage programs.
IR is very much into originality and proper crediting. He even mentioned that he sang/played MSV's songs in streets and got the applause. But it was bothering him because the credit should go to MSV, so that is one of the reasons he wanted to compose by himself.
Idhukku dhaan periyavaa nadhimoolam, rishimoolam ellam romba paaka koodaadhumbaa. Still, having heard few GKV films after Raja started reigning, the IRness was distinctly missing , Example : That GKV song "onnu rendu moonu" in multi MDed "kannil theriyum kadhaigaL" where IR also did "naanoru ponnoviyam kanden". Reg "then sindhudhe", the arrangement , tune etc is clearly IRish and IR employed similar techniques for "oru vaanavil pole". SPB Charan mentioned in a TV show that the guitar for the old SPB song under GKV, "thoduvadhenna thendralo malargaLo" was strummed by none other than IR. In this case it could have been entirely GKV's work with IR just playing a guitarist part. Yellame oru heshyam dhaan. Anyways, I loved GKV's songs when IR was assisting him in some capacity or other. "Raja paarunga raajavai paarunga" , "idhu viLakketrum neram" [SJ solo] and some obscure 70's gems like these were precursors to that phenomenon which couldn't be concealed for long
On the same topic, you could also include 'Pen Jenmam' songs. I have always wondered how could the song 'Janakan Ponmane' have the stamps of IR. The tune is IRish but not the orchestration. In a similar fashion, the song, 'Malliai poovil indru' also has IR stamp on it.
Yes, as Thumburu pointed out, it was a phenomenon which couldnt be concealed for long.
Few words on IR:
http://www.thinnai.com/?module=displ...82&format=html
தமிழ்சினிமாவின் கடந்த முப்பதாண்டுகளில் நிகழ்ந்த ஒரே அற்புதம் இளையராஜா மட்டுமே. தமிழ்நாட்டில் பிறக்கும் அதீத திறமைசாலிகளுக்கு நிகழ்வதுதான் அவருக்கும் நடந்தது. தமிழர்கள் அவரின் முக்கியத்துவத்தை உணர்ந்தார்களுமில்லை; அவருக்கு உரிய மரியாதையை அளித்தார்களுமில்லை. தமிழ்நாட்டில் போலிகளுக்கே முதலிடம் என்ற எழுதப்படாத சட்டத்தின்படி இளையராஜா பின்னுக்குத் தள்ளப்பட்டிருக்கிறார். தன் இசையால் இரு தலைமுறைகளைக் கட்டிப்போட்ட அவருக்கே அந்தக் கதியென்றால்....அவரை முழுமையாக உணர்ந்தவர்கள் மலையாளிகள் மட்டும்தான். கொஞ்சம் அசந்தால் அவரை கேரளாவிற்குக் கடத்திக் கொண்டு போய்விடவும் தயங்கமாட்டர்கள். எச்சரிக்கை.
சமீப காலங்களில் இளையராஜா சிறிது விரக்தியிலிருக்கிறாரோ என எண்ணத் தோன்றுகிறது. அதிலும் ஒரு மேடையும், மைக்கும் கைக்குக் கிடைத்தால் அவர் செய்யும் சேட்டைகள் ரசிக்கத் தக்கனவாக இல்லை. சமீபத்திய உதாரணம், பழசி ராஜா வெளியீட்டு விழா. தமிழ்நாட்டின் மேடைகள் கோமாளிகளுக்கு உரித்தானவை. கையில் மைக் கிடைத்தவுடன் பிலாக்கணம் பாடவும், ஒப்பாரி வைக்கவும், கண்ணீர் சிந்தி கழுத்தறுக்கவும்....இன்னபிறவுக்கும் கோமாளிகளால் உபயோகப்படுத்தப்படுவை. 'இளையராஜா'விற்கு அது தகுதியானதில்லை என யாரேனும் அவருக்கு எடுத்துச் சொன்னால் நல்லது. இத்தனை கால கடின உழைப்பிற்குப் பின் சொல்லிழுக்குப் பட்டு சோகாக்க வேண்டியதன் அவசியம்தான் என்ன?
One more article:
http://www.thinnai.com/?module=displ...52&format=html
எல்லையை தாண்டிய சாதனையாளர்கள்:
இந்த விசயத்திற்கு சரியான உதாரணம் சொல்ல வேண்டுமானால் தமிழகத்தின் இரண்டு முக்கிய நபர்களை பற்றி சொல்லலாம். ஒருவர் எ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் இன்னொருவர் இளையராஜா. ஏ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் தமிழகத்தில் பிரபலமடைந்த பிறகு இது நமக்கு போதும் என நினைக்கவில்லை தொடர்ந்து முயன்று இந்தியா முழுவதும் பிரபலமானார். இதுவரை கிடைத்த மரியாதை, மற்றும் புகழை நினைத்து தன்னுடைய தேடலை நிறுத்திக்கொள்ள வில்லை வேறு வேறு மொழிகள் வேறு வேறு நாடுகள் என அவரது தேடல் இன்று வரை தொடர்கிறது. அவரது தேடலின் ஒரு பகுதிதான் ஆஸ்கார் விருது, அது முடிவல்ல.
தமிழகத்தில் எ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் பிரபலமடைந்ததன் மூலமாக அவர் செல்லும் இடங்களில் எல்லாம் தமிழகத்தில் கிடைத்த அதே மதிப்பும், மரியாதையும் தொடர்ந்திருக்கும் என நினைக்கிறீர்களா நிச்சயமாக அப்படி இருந்திருக்காது, எ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் செல்லும் இடங்களில் அவரைப்பற்றிய அறிமுகம் தேவைப்பட்டிருக்காதே ஒழிய, அவர் செல்லும் ஒவ்வொரு இடத்திலும் அங்குள்ளவர்களின் எதிர்பார்பிற்க்கு ஏற்ப தன்னுடைய திறமையை நிருபிக்க வேண்டிய கட்டாயம் அவருக்கு உண்டு. அப்படி ஒவ்வொரு இடத்திலும் தன்னுடைய திறமையை நிருபித்தே அங்கிகாரம் பெற்றுள்ளார்.
இன்னொருவர் இளையராஜா, தான் சார்ந்துள்ள துறையில் ஒரு மாற்றத்தை, ஒரு புதிய உத்வேகத்தை, ஒரு மறுமலர்ச்சியை ஏற்படுத்தியவர். அவரது திறமையில் யாருக்கும் சந்தேகமில்லை. அனைவராலும் அவரது திறமை மதிக்கப்பட்டு மிக உயரத்திற்கு சென்றவர். அவரால் எல்லாமே முடியும், ஆனால் எல்லாமே செய்தாரா! என்றால் இல்லை என்றுதான் பதில்வரும். அவரது திறமைக்கு மதிப்பளித்த மக்கள் அவரை மிக உயரத்திற்கு கொண்டு சென்று மிகுந்த மரியாதையை உணரச்செய்தார்கள். இளையராஜா அவர்கள் தன்னுடைய திறமை முழுவதையும் தன்னைச்சுற்றியுள்ள மக்களிடம் மட்டுமே காட்டிக்கொண்டிருந்தாரே தவிர எ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் செய்தது போல அவர் அந்த உயரத்தில் இருந்து இறங்கி வரவே இல்லை. எ.ஆர்.ரகுமான் செய்ததுபோல பல இடங்களுக்கு சென்று தன்னுடைய திறமையை இளையராஜா நிருப்பித்திருந்தாரானால் எப்போதோ ஆஸ்கார் வாங்கியிருக்க வாய்ப்புண்டு. அதற்காக ஆஸ்கார் வாங்கினால்தான் திறமைசாலி என்று அர்த்தமில்லை ஆனால் அவர் அதை செய்திருந்தால் தன்னுடைய திறமையை பல இடங்களில் பறைசாற்றி இருந்தால் அவரின் திறமையின் உண்மையான மதிப்பை உணர்ந்து ஆச்சரியப்பட்டிருப்பர்கள். ஆனால் அவர் அப்படிச் செய்யவில்லை தமிழ் நாட்டில் மட்டும் ராஜாவாக இருந்தால் போது என்று எண்ணிவிட்டார் போல் உள்ளது. இவரைப்போல பல திறமைசாலிகளைப் பற்றி சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகலாம்.
I want to know one thing. whoever writes this articles - are they some kind of achievers in all india alaguraja style? Always comparing ppl and attributing the relative success/failure to mmindsets and shortcomings in artistes which is purely fictional and judgemental - I am getting tired of this shite in the net.
jaiganes,
Blog sites are just for express what you feel..just like how you will talk to your friends..so this is not wrong or so serious..
allo - the above posts are from thinnai - not a blog site..Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
even if we grant that freedom to say anything and analyse everything, I guess I have the preedom to criticise it.
More hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeyamohan
http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=6313
அனல்காற்று - did not an advt come for a film from BM?
The film got dropped for whatsoever reason :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
Sanjeevi,
Thanks for the link. Gives a glimpse of the real Raja (away from the mike :) ) Jeyamohan mentions that Raja used to sing the songs of other music directors that he loves in his own voice and also provide an alternate tune for the same songs. Sigh. Wish we could be a 'balli' on the wall during such times!!!
True... no stuff in them.. our forum had better insights sometimes... the problem is with us the moment we see IR name in some article tempted to publish here without bothering about the quality :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
thats how much of the paeththals of 'self proclaimed' popular writers made their way into the hub.
Allo tension party,Quote:
allo - the above posts are from thinnai - not a blog site..
even if we grant that freedom to say anything and analyse everything, I guess I have the preedom to criticise it.
Who said you do not have freedom to criticise it ? I just said nowadays in the blog world, any suppan kuppan can express their feelings..so nothing serious in it..
raj_fan,
As jaiganesh pointed out, there would be nothing wrong in it if some 'suppan kuppan' expressed his / her view in their own site. If it comes out at 'thinnai' then it is a different thing. Someone there has to own it up and it cannot be passed as, 'we give our site to suppan kuppans to write kuppai'. Hope you understand that difference.
sssss abbaa
tensan tensan tensan...
http://chandanaar.blogspot.com/2010/...g-post_22.html
Beautiful rebuttal to Shaji :-)
BTW, I noticed that the stupid article by Shaji wasn't translated by Jeyamohan but someone called "mubArak". JeMo, better keep your distance from this "vaLanja vazhi" character!
In a way, characters like Charu are better than the Shaji-kind.
For two reasons :
1. Proclaimed opponent (better than hypocrite / traitor kind)
2. Doesn't have "nice guy" reputation and so people may read him but not take seriously (most read Charu for some kick but hardly agree with his views)
It's very clear that all these people want to get as much hits to their blog as possible, using the iconic name of Raja. That's ok, but the bad part is they're trying to simply shoot at him / rake up a controversy to get these hits, with nothing to contribute to the main topic, namely, meesic :-(
I don't waste time reading these kind of articles, blogs etc..!
இவங்கல்லாம் யாரு...? Don't read these kind of articles and encourage them.
Legends like S.P.B, Janu etc... adores IR.
We fans love him.
That's all matter.
ஸ்ரீ.இளையராஜா belongs to the தெய்வீக இசை ஜாதி!
He is the property of music world.
Tamil Nadu is lucky namma oorula avar pirandhaar.
You want KICK, listen to kanden engum poomagal ......
What a composition!
Strings, flute, janu's humming... :musicsmile:
vinatha.
Well said Vinatha. Couldn't agree with you more. And you have mentioned a lovely composition. 'Kanden Engum Poo Magal Naatiyam'. Time to listen to that gem. Atleast using my mind voice :)
Enjoy Suresh! :musicsmile:
IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT! :D
I totally dig Netflix WATCH INSTANTLY !
I love my ROKU!:redjump:
vinatha. :)
ஜெயமோகன் தலைவரைப் பற்றி சொல்வது
http://www.jeyamohan.in/?p=6313