aahaa :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
aahaa :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Raajjaa and Nerd - MGR came from an era where he was the sole dictator when it came to how he acted, how the screenplay shaped up, lyrics were designed for songs etc etc - he never had to be 'trained' under the watchful eyes of someone like KB ! he might have been ambitious as a commercially viable star, but thats abt it - i doubt if he had, at any point of time any serious intent/desire to push the envelope on the creative front - I would say that MGR designed/fashioned a major part of his entire career with the sole purpose of gaining foothold in politics and moving further on - but he did have an eye for talent around him - talent that not only could he exploit for his personal benefit (MSV-Kannadasan etc etc), he also had the same eye to recognize talent around him even when not of use to him - his accounts of openly narrating to Kamal abt how NT was a better actor and how he rated Kamal himself, are testimony to this
Rajini (and Kamal) should rightfully owe their acting training to KB - though Kamal also benefitted from his interactions with mallu land - am not privvy to his acting in mallu films but am sure they wud be far more understated than his acting in tamil films around the same time - Kamal is a natural in soaking up things, and made sure he kept his creative 'fire' stoked past 1990s - Rajini settled for the low-hanging fruit post-thalapathi and I would say even his pre-thalapathy films were all not equally impressive - he even admits the same in that KB interview as well as some TV channel post-Enthiran where he says he is not interested in anything artistic, only commercial gains interest him - 'namakku award aa mukkiyam ? reward thaan mukkiyam' - once someone had reached that stage of compromise, there is no way, any creative instincts can be kindled / nurtured ! maybe age did it to him, i donno!
my personal take: i used to love Rajini films as a kid (there is a hint there as to how/why he is successful - kids even now love his films - maybe he comes across as a larger screen version of those characters from TV aka Shakthiman, Giant robot etc!)- but past my 11 years, got tired of his gimmickry! even Kamal, if he did something in a film that reminded me of what he did earlier, it will bring an involuntary 'salippu' feeling! thats where he saved himself as a writer/'ghost'-director (though when I later came to know he has liberally suttufied from hollywood, that became a dampener).
Raajjaa - am not sure if you know this Rajini film from the late 1980s - forgot the name - Rajini gets shot and moves into a temple in a jungle, takes out the bullet with the tirusoolam (!!!), somewhere gets hold of a whisky bottle (whisky in a temple!), pours it over the wound burns it up, gives a few taps on the burnt part and walks away in style! the sheer audacity of the sequence left me gasping breathless! and then i laughed - 'you gotta be kidding - did i really see that happening ?' - but the point is people loved it and I see nothing wrong in Rajini riding on such an adulation ppl have for him !
மலையாள மொழி மற்றும் மலையாளிகளுக்கென்று ஒரு உடல் மொழி உண்டு ..மலையாள மொழி பேசும் போது பேசும் வார்த்தைகளுக்கேற்ப கைகளும் பேசும் .. "செய்யாம் பற்றில்லா" -ன்னு சொல்லும் போது இரண்டு கைகளை சேர்த்து விலக்கி விரிப்பது ஒரு உதாரணம் .. மம்மூட்டியிடம் இதை கொஞ்சம் அதீதமாகவே இதை பார்க்கலாம் ..மோகன்லால் இதை கொஞ்சம் மட்டுப்படுத்தி செய்வார் ..என்றாலும் செய்யாமல் இருக்க மாட்டார் .. ஒரு பக்கம் சரிந்தார் போல நடை , தலையை சற்று சரித்தே பேசுவது ..வேட்டி,லுங்கி போன்ற பாரம்பரிய உடைகளோடு கன கச்சிதமான இயல்பு உடல் மொழியில் பார்ப்பதற்கு நடிப்பு என்பதை மறந்து உண்மையான ஒரு மலையாளியை கண்முன் நிறுத்துவது தான் மோகன்லாலிம் பலம் .ஆனால் பலவீனமும் அது தான் .. இந்த மலையாளி உடல்மொழிக்கு வெளியே வந்து மோகன்லால் பரிமளிப்பது சற்று சவாலானது ..தமிழில் நடித்தாலும் , இந்தியில் நடித்தாலும் அது ஒரு மலையாளியின் உடல் மொழியை தான் நினைவுபடுத்தும் ..ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட வட்டத்துக்குள் அட்சர சுத்தமாக நடிக்க முடியும் லாலுக்கு .. ஆனால் கமல் அப்படியெல்ல ...சகல செப்படி வித்தைகளும் அத்துப்படி .. இளமை துள்ளும் காதல் இளைஞனாக கமல் பரிமளிக்கும் அளவுக்கு லாலால் முடியாது . இது போல நிறைய சொல்லலாம் ..லாலுக்கென்று ஒரு வட்டம் உண்டு ..அதில் அவர் ராஜா .. கமல் வட்டத்துக்குள் சிக்காத வல்லூறு.
Thanks dude :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
On a digressive note, I've heard 80's (and may be early 90's) is the golden age of Malayalam cinema. It would be great if someone who has followed Malayalam cinema closely can write on Lal's contribution as an actor during that phase...
thanks again, kg for you perspective on Lal vis-a-vis Kamal.
May be we can say that Lal is like Lara and Kamal is like Sachin? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
எனக்கு அந்த அளவுக்கு கிரிக்கெட் பரிச்சயம் இல்லை :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Movie_CopQuote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Don't ever underestimate Lal-ettan. He is one heck of an actor and truly world class. The interest and committment to Cinema is the only thing that differentiate Lal-ettan from Kamal. Sometime we get attached to our favorite too much and become blind about other talents.
Nothing to disagree. 100% agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
TA, where did you get the impression that I underrated Lal? :confused2: I juts requested for some nice write up on Lal to read. :)
How dare you compare thala to that midget?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I've stopped writing (and reading) long write-up's, Copper. So maybe someone else will.
on kamal vs lal
Somewhere kamals actings to me seems practised perfection where Lal is more natural.
Not so simplistic as to say that one is better than the other ..
Lal doesnt seem to try so hard to look/act very different.
Sometime you can feel its Lal acting but not the character but the way he acts those little expressions
is magic. He has an inbuilt appeal ,his acting is not laboured and the subtle changes are so appealing.
Mohanlal is a master of creating something where none exist..
In T.P.Balagopalan M.A ,mohalal has a scene where the money he saved dearly is spent by his sister for
her husband. His reaction in that scene where he shows his helplessness yet moves on after a moment
is magic.
Also watch his reaction in chota mubmai where the gal who rejected his proposal asks him later if he felt bad back when she did so.
His reaction to him as a happy go lucky guy is amazing..
There was nothing in the script for those scenes but he just lifts them with his acting which
comes out of nowhere. There are so many of them.
Also in ravanaprabhu as a oldman leaving his house ,he reminices all the good moments,
just his voice modulation without even looking at his acting is wow.
He is a master of voice modulation ,especially when he plays comedic and mature/older characters.
Very good when he plays a traditional malayalee like classical singer , feudal lord or sathyan
athnikad type middle class roles.
Lal has limitations where his body language changes dont seem to change as much as Kamal.
Kamal seems to do that stuff very well, his whole body language changes so much.
Lal has a very expressive face but doesnt seem to try as hard as Kamal to master all the elements
of a character potrayal like Kamal using everything around him to help him ,even the props.
In Malayalam , in most intense emotional Author backed roles like Amaram , mommooka seems to get it better.
Most middle class man with changes which unfold throughout the movie or the character grows
Lal is the best.
In that sense I feel Kamal's best roles are comparable to Mamooka's best
:yes: Very Very TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by P_R
there is another fight/stunt sequence in 'antha oru nimidam' where Kamal uses a gymnast's props for the stunt! remember either vikatan or kumudham mentioning/appreciating the same in their review of the film!
maybe SKV or someone can get hold of that youtube sequence and post it here!
and Rajini, despite his height, never gave an impression of someone in great shape, even when he played a cop!
have heard of Kamal's dedication to weight training/running etc
any inputs on what Rajini used to do (besides the kerala ayurveda stuff ?)
Lal and Rajini have a common skill "nakaichuvai" in their natural mode. Kamal on the other side creates a suitable funny character. Eg. Dr sunny in Manichitrathaazh. The way he mingles with family members(especially with that boy "gindi gindi" dialogue) of suresh gopi. I cant think about even a single film where kamal performs like that.
oru chinna sample (one of my most fav songs in IFM, director Sathyan Anthikkad / MD Shyam) :Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu1cpEokGjA
Kid
Jack Nicholson? Understated-a? Isn't he on the other side?
Venki
Kama's humor cannot be boxed into just one dimension. He has already done so many kinds with varied characterizations when it comes to humor. Neenga solra natural skill 'laam interviews and off the record conversation la irukkum. Others do it movies (single dimension)
Overt Chaplinism, subtle understated Chaplinism (Pushpak) for starters, is in itself quite a feat. The difference is in the latter, it is not an I'm going to be funny and make you laugh- it is as real as it gets. Toilet queue scene ellam vera level-nga
The various implementations of the genuine innocence template 'laam head and shoulders above everyone before and since IMHO. Sathi Leelavathi is the pinnacle. Unmatched
The greatest tragedy is that when it comes to humor, there is a distorted perception that Thala owes it all to Crazy Mogan. My begind!
Can I make a humble request to the mods?
Periyvangala pathi pesitrukkumbodhu dhayavu seidhu MGR (illaadha) aatral-a eduthuraikkaren nu yaarum kelambapdaadhu. Manasu valikkudhu, transformer vedikkidhu, aludhuruven, aludhuruven!!
Bala - the tragedy of democracy. Leg Pressers can also opinion-tell.
He is a natural actor-nga. With subtle gestures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
And of course, that wry smile could be just about the most sinister, the most warmth, the most charmed, or the most innocent. It's an immaculate 'response' (not technique, hence the Art), so very organic. To my mind, only very few actors were able to do that.
KH once brought up Lal's smile 'lighting up the room'. Wish he expanded on it.
saar, thuLi kooda illai 'nRa range-ku sonnadhAla dhaan edhirththu oNNu reNdu vArthaihaL solla vENdi aagudhu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
maththapadi Rajini kooda ellAm no comparison-nu dhaanE maindain paNREn.
oru vengaLa kiNNam kuduththeengannA, naanpaattukku Santhilal-Mohanlal kadaila vachchuttu pofcorn vaangi saaptukkuvEn.
உடன்படுகிறேன். புஷ்பக் - அதுவும் கழிப்பறை காட்சிகள் எல்லாம் காவியம்.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
சதி லீலாவதி - எனக்கு கொஞ்சம் அலர்ஜிங்க. "எனக்கும் கொங்கு தமிழ் பேச வரும். ட்ரை பண்றேன் பாரு(இ)ங்க" - இந்த ரீதியில் தான் இருக்கு. பாக்யராஜ், மணிவண்ணன் இவங்களோட வட்டார ஒலியை ஒப்பிடும்போது சதி லீலாவதியின் கமலின் தமிழ் - என் பார்வையில் தசாவதாரம் போல மேக்கப் கொஞ்சம் அதிகம். அதுபோல இன்னும் ஐந்தாறு படங்கள் செய்தால் கமலுக்கு அந்த தமிழ் கொஞ்சம் வசதிப்படும். நல்ல முயற்சி. அவ்வளவுதான். சதிலீலாவதி நான் குறிப்பிட்டது போல, காமெடி செய்யணும் என்ற நிர்பந்தத்தால் கதாபாத்திரத்தை வசதிக்கேற்ப மாற்றிக்கொண்டது என்ற அளவிலேயே பார்க்கிறேன்.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRXTy...feature=relmfu
Good to learn that he himself acknowledges the difference between pre and post Naayagan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Howlarious climax. Next only to the monstrosity that is 'padhinanjAvadhu maanga baas'
kOvai saraLa :lol:
Narcissism-nu solRavainga mookkula kuththaNum. He just ups the standards of those he works with.
That deepavali scene nudging - just brilliant acting.
And the slow take-off and uLaral, Kamal just nails it: paLaNikku vyAdhi vara koodaadhu :rotfl2:
Sathileelavathi-yellam chance illeenga ..For me , It is in my all time top 10 list .
That is all fine but venkkiram's claim is Kamal overacted and what is your response for that.?Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
His claim is rejected.
You being fan of both Kamal and Lal, How you do compare their comic abilities on the screen? I want detailed answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
What great acting even in so-called 'chase sequence'. BM also has fun shooting sequences like this. Specially like the med shot from side angle with clear geography, all three characters in the frame, the conversation very clear, very enjoyable. You could see KH channeling his inner Buster Keaton/Chaplin here..
I can't write long posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamizharasan
Mohanlal's comic abilities in saying the lines as characters would say them, making it interesting despite it seem so natural, Kamal is more obsessed about the impact on the audience, he'd like to underline more.
Venki
Bockiarach, Mani annan laam Coimbatore-karainga. kandippa avinga accent-top panna mudiyuma? Thalaivan rendoru edathula slip airukkalaam, overa azhuthiyirukkalaam. Idhellaam oru prachanaiya?
Humor was totally in character and I didn't see inconsistency in the character. Even the slapstick moments. Categorically disagree with you on this
As for your larger point, the bottom lone is this - what you refer to as natural skill is the default setting or comfort zone of others. Thala goes well beyond that. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the skill. More importantly, IMO you are highlighting a limitation as a strength
Lot of it must not have been scripted, even by Crazy. Is my guess.
-duplicate-
venaam saami , already essay writing competition thollai thaanga mudiala ..Quote:
Originally Posted by tamizharasan
Yes, tonal consistency as an actor even in non-directed films(when he's invested) is his biggest strength. For KK, he'd uniformly role out the non-nonchalant playful tone. Thenali, he'd have to do a tragicomic tone through out, obviously the film itself didn't work for some, but you can't deny he abided by that one mode (not to be confused with 'method') that would operate the film. For MX, he's more of a spectator, as understated as you'd ever find. KH has done variety of styles, no wonder there are divided opinions over what kind of KH one would ideally prefer, what genre, his writing/direction, pre/post Nayagan, etc..etc
"aacha?aacha? Moocha aacha? Kaathundrkkomonno?" (throwback to Pushpak) - what's funny in the line per se? It's hilarity in the film :rotfl: (not about Kamal the actor here but I'm talking about his humor)
The entry itself maybe Chaplinesque but he takes it beyond that. He makes it Counbatore but not (just) by accent
http://www.miataturbo.net/attachment...ine=1314382346Quote:
Originally Posted by Anban
I've stopped writing long posts.