About hodadavne, i think the most amazing aspect is the everchanging rhythm. I also feel that there are quite alot of layers as well. Cant pinpoint out though. Expats dissaact the saang. :twisted:
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About hodadavne, i think the most amazing aspect is the everchanging rhythm. I also feel that there are quite alot of layers as well. Cant pinpoint out though. Expats dissaact the saang. :twisted:
I amstill thinking - If a person heard WCM only at the age of 25, what chances are there for him/her to go on to write an official symphony and create thousands of mini symphonies with counterpoints and harmony for Indian and western music in a span of next 40 years. If I was that person, I would have fainted and run away from music. IR survived, struggled and succeeded like no one else. It is ingrained in him to only associate any new 'sound -music' patterns with what he knows already and create a new post modernistic spinoff to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rprasad
And BTW - I was in chicago this weekend and in the process of taking the architecture cruise tour had a short lesson on post modernism and modernism with respect to Architecture and it reconfirmed my stongly held belief that IR is a truly pioneering 'post modernist' in the field of music long before people even started applying that idea in the context of music.
Jai,
Rajasaranam has been expounding the same views about IR and Post Mordernism. Infact he has had a mail exchange on this with Jeyamohan as well.
I fully agree with both of you on this. Other than just the post modernism, what we need to understand is also the level of originality. He gets all pieces of his own and fuses them together. Which is far cry of the current trend of getting some 'reusable' components, preferably from some unknown place, using it in their composition and then claiming 'modernism'!!
yellaam sir , are the songs really out ?
Valmiki has left me with mixed feelings.
"Kooda varuviya" has Rahman like ambience and when a scale as appealing as "yaman" is chosen, then it is hardly surprising that it turns out to be a pleasing melody. It has brief but sweet interludes. I earnestly wished they were longer. "Thendralum marudhu" starts off in a catchy manner with a nice pallavi like "aatrin karaiyorathu"[ mallu film rasathanthiram] buts doesnt sustain my interest as the charanam progresses due to limpy. lifeless tune. On the whole it ends up sounding like a mediocre Vidhyasagar melody . "OLi tharum" has dejavu written all over. The third line in the pallavi is similar to "iLa vayadhu ponna kandaa thala therikka odum" line of "ulagam kedakkudhu" from "dhanam" and this song pallavi also esemebles "vaa vaa anbe poojai undu" from "eeramaana rojave"/"oLiyile therivadhu" of "azhagi" too. But the strings in the first interlude just before Raja starts charanam is scintillating stuff.
-more later-
//continuing my tirade on Valmiki :)
"Ennada paandi" is of the same genre s "jakkamma" of "SMK" fame. It has minimalistic yet really funny interlude music :))
"poo sirikkudhu"- liked the hip start and prelude music . That harmonium taking over in the first bgm is damn cool and so is the accompanying music that whizzes past the lines "mookuthi mookuthi vairakallu mookuthi". But that female singer is only better than Bhavatharini and that is not a compliment. The second interlude seems to be a wash out. The bass suddenly over powers the rest of the music which is not great either. Have you all noticed this or its just in my case? "Poo sirikkudhu" should have come out well . Iam not sure why it didn't. "OLi tharum" , being set to Raja's fav scale is haunting and the way the 2nd keyboard/piano interlude starts without resorting to pallavi again is a good move. The charanam lines also resemble the charanam lines of "aadhaara shruthi" song of "Konji pesalam" . "Rekka katti" lines are the same as "nagooru pakkathula nambaloda pettai" from "veLLai roja" and "ennanga maapiLLai nalam dhana" [ "Thendrale ennai thodu"] . The music alternating between "nadhaswaram" and band "vaadhyam" is an interesting aspect and Tippu is apt for such songs. "Acchadicha kaasa" somehow reminds me of the much maligned "azhagi varaa" of "UO" , saving the melodious postlude surprise [May be to keep tandem with some on screen happenings]
Poo sirrikidhu was quite balanced. Did not feel anything like the bass overpowering the song. BTW just a advice, try to leave out the guessing of which song it is and just enjoy the orchestration that thalaivar does. Like i said before no point digging into which song it matches.
To me best ambience in a song is puththam pudhu kaalai in alaigaL Oyvathillai. Lot of space to the vocals and the guitar is almost psychedelic. I dont know why IR did not do much songs with lots of space added to the vocals in the 90s and later. There were quite a bit in the 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
I dont think this song is Rahmanic, but there are other songs in AM, BB etc where a drone (like the sruthi petti kind of sounds) is added, which is typical of Rahman (eg. charanam of enna senjaalum from vaalmiki). I think this is a cheap way to add harmony (it sounds nice though), whereas normally IR adds fills, string harmonies and chords. But sometimes he leaves the song just with the beats for a few seconds. That does not seem to be the case now. Lots of harmonic elements in Vaalmiki, AM, BB etc.
Arya's first production is titled "Padithurai" with new faces. As anounced earlier, music is by IR.
By the title, it sounds like a masala movie.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/48216.html
thanks,
Krishnan
I had been reading Suka's Blog for the past few months. there are few snippets about the movie here and there, and they dont sound like a 'masala' movie. Whatever, the movie will have a lot of light moments and comedy! 'athukku avar ezhuthum style gaurantee' :)Quote:
Originally Posted by krish244
:idea: I queried 'Suresh Kannan' a famous blogger whether he is going to Direct 'Nanjil Naadan's 'Ettu Thikkum Matha Yaanai' as mentioned by NN in last weeks kungumam. He replied to me saying that, it is a different Suresh Kannan - the son of Nellai Kannan. If SuKa is the short form for the same, then it is confirmed that the movie 'Padithurai' is going to be made out of the novel mentioned herein.
Has anybody here read that novel?
News about IR's Kannukkulley
* A story revolving around the misunderstanding between a husband and wife
* Ilaiyaraaja's songs will have the 80s flavour as requested by the director
* Director is a former asst to Mahendran.
* Sarathkumar to play a guest/important role.
Courtesy of Orkut Hearta from IR community.
Links :
http://tamil.webdunia.com/entertainm...90710122_1.htm
http://www.dinakaran.com/cinema/gossip/
IR's kathal Kathai
* Has only 2 songs
1) Malare Malare : Ilaiyaraaja
2) Kadukule Nadukkurathey : Karthik
Courtesy of Orkut "Prabhu - Busy" of IR community.
Full-version samples :
Kadhal Kathai
Hulk,
Thanks for the samples. If there are only two songs, will they release the CD?
Liked the Karthik song. Nice melody. IR's song is also nice but the lyrics have too much, 'in the face' quality. Very similar to 'Kattiluku Mattumdana Ponbala' song of Dhanam (Lyrics wise). Is the lyricist Muthulingam?
Hulk,
Thanks for the songs :)
No problem guys :D. No idea about the lyricist, but being a velu prabhakaran film you wunt be surprised if he had a hand in them. :?
Kadukkuley Nadukkurathey has such a good flowing tune but the mix of natural ambience(water) and his synth-based orchestration is refreshing. The background ambience has also a very calming tone, like your in the midst of a quiet rainforest. I think this is one of a kind song. :D
Is this the first time thalaivar has used natural ambience as a background rhythm and occasionally as a arrangement? Barring the raa raa gumma song from anumanaspadam.
Chal Chalein Trailer
Seems like the leftover of 80's courtroom dramas! No Shot or visual makes us sit up. Sad Raaja is getting directors who are still struck in 20th Century :(
It after all got premiered at Cannes so it is not certainly a bad film. It is on the lines of HOPE(Telugu) and might be a stunner.
Chal Chalein to release on 7th August. Soundtrack may be released along with the film or 1 week before. So 1 more soundtrack to wait for. :D
Source : http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs.a...001833&start=1
The link above is Chal Chalein's official forum in orkut created by their producer.
No complaints for me if Raja gives his 20th Century music :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Intha padam ellam eppadi Cannes poguthu - the production values all look so amateurish - acting, picturization et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNnNU3T3-8s
Batla Dein from Chal Chalein - Full Song
Courtesy of Chal Chalein Orkut Community
Fantastic rock elements in this song.
Agreed.. but this is a classic case of interesting subject tackled poorly. The subject is interesting no doubt. just that the execution is more 80s rather than contemporary (although the issue is contemporary). So, IR might have agreed to this listening to the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Regarding music... lets wait... i somehow have some hopes.
Hulk,
Thanks for the song link. I liked the song. As you say, lot of hard rock elements in the song. The wailing guitars that start off the first interlude is pure hard rock stuff. Typically Raja gives his brand of melody against a strong beat in the charanams. Loved the second interlude, the ending of that lude was surprising. I am sure RS will have a smile n his lips hearing this song :) A very energetic song.
The picturization and dancing were amateurish though. It is definitely not the current MTV material and so I am not sure how much TV time this song will find. Would love to hear it on radio but nowadays radio also plays songs which the producers want to promote and not what the people would want!!!
Well it is a cliched picturisation but it was in the context of the movie i felt. The youtube link says its without dialogues. High chance that this may be like cheeni kum in the sense that it may be scene driven.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Even the Visuals in Serials of NorthIndian Channels are far superior to this :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
I dont understand what these people learn from their Mentors? Ananthanarayanan from Shankar and ujjwal from SLBansali!
The song Malare Malare from Kadhal Kathai seems like a rehash of 'idhayame idhayame' from Julie Ganapathy. not just the tune but the whole ambience (sound + tune + ideas). i liked it, but yes, felt the lack of newness. i mean, in a way, it is disappointing. gave me an impression that he was lazy to improvise or give a whole new colour to the song. but then, the song is contemplative (like many of IR's Keeravanis).
Pazhassi Raaja
* Releasing on 15 Aug(Can expect audio release on either next week or atleast end of july).
* Maestro Ilaiyaraaja using Budapest Symphony Orchestra to do both songs and background score.
Courtesy of "Alex.Raaja" of Orkut Ilaiyaraaja Community.
More info in this page.
Pazhassi Raja
Hulkster,
Long back 'rajaalltheway' a hubber here and a regular at prasad studios wrote that the songs recording for Pazhasiraja was on. Hence now, if BSO is under consideration it will be for only BGM .
There were also talks that 'Resul Pookutty' will be doing the Sound Engineering!
Yup he is the one who is doing sound engineering. That has been confirmed. But they mention that both score and soundtrack has been done with the help of BSO. Well yeppadiyo, we can prepare for Hey Raam no 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
FYKI, many of IR's instrumental albums being re-released in newly remastered format!
Recent worldwide release(s) of Ilaiyaraaja's music:
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/soul_core.html (contains remastered versions of IR's 80s hits!!)
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/Thiruvasakam.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/Music_Journey.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/The_Music_Messiah.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/India_24_Hours.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/Master_...aiyaraaja.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/Isai_Gn...d_%26_Sax.html
http://www.saayee.com/saayee/Ilaiyaraaja.html
Nice song. I liked it. Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
This must be the 30 plus albums that they were talking about. :bluejump: If only there was a software that could remaster all of thalaivar's songs in one shot :(Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Except for the first interlude with guitar, I felt the "Chal Chalein " song is quite ordinary. Wish the other songs are fresh
I second that. It didnt hook me up in any way. Hust hoping that other songs are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumburu
Try closing your eyes and listening to it... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
I agree with thumburu and raagaas. Nothing to rave about that song. Just another "outburst" song like Magalir Mattum title track. The latter was more impressive in its chorus.
Hmmmm, RS. I hope this movie does not spoil your health. Your cigarette smoking is in inverse proportion to the quality of the movie, as per what you said after you saw the Malayalam film 'SMS'. Hope Velu Prabhakaran makes you sit inside the hall thus ensuring you smoke less :)