Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

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Originally Posted by crazy

pizzalt: i asked one question, it was why and what u was trying to tell us with ur shocking posts some pages before..........calling hindusim the most intolerent religion.................i didnt mean about the genocide or sth!

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Hinduism is soft and passionate as well as intolerant and arrogant depending on the place you see it. Modern Hinduism practiced at home by loose educated individuals is very flexible and tolerant largely because of the progressive and rational nature of the individuals who practice it and not the Hinduism itslef. Read the punishments described in the scriptures for even petty offences and you will know.

The same Hinduism is rigid and intolerant in many parts of India and practiced word by word. It interferes into the rights of every individual. And if someone violates, they and they are punished the way Manu dictates. A widow is cursed and secluded or sometimes killed. A teenage boy or girl will be given nice lessons if they cross the boundaries of Manu's castelines and normally ex-communicated.

Lives of non-hindus in villages is largely ex-communicated lives.

The British gave their military or police vehicle drivers as follows: "If you have no other choice but to choose between running over 100 people and a cow, choose the former". You will never see the intolerance of Hinduism in Bangalore or Delhi or any city. Go to the villages and you will see the reality.

You tell me where and how you find it tolerant. It will be you who will shock me if you are saying Hinduism is the most tolerant religion.

Hindus are docile and soft only when they are not given power. When they are given power they are mostly intolerant.

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calling hindusim the most intolerant religion still doesnt works for me! comparing to other religion we r better, we r best!
anyway let me stay away from other religions...................we(hindus) have been so tolerant and thats the reason why ur religion and hindus still survives!
and u r speaking of intolerance among hindus in villages.................Good Lord, they r illiterate and naive...........they follow their own way of living...........their primitive way of codes and laws! u cant call hinduism the most intolerant religion coz of that!

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Originally Posted by crazy

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

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Originally Posted by crazy

pizzalt: i asked one question, it was why and what u was trying to tell us with ur shocking posts some pages before..........calling hindusim the most intolerent religion.................i didnt mean about the genocide or sth!

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Hinduism is soft and passionate as well as intolerant and arrogant depending on the place you see it. Modern Hinduism practiced at home by loose educated individuals is very flexible and tolerant largely because of the progressive and rational nature of the individuals who practice it and not the Hinduism itslef. Read the punishments described in the scriptures for even petty offences and you will know.

The same Hinduism is rigid and intolerant in many parts of India and practiced word by word. It interferes into the rights of every individual. And if someone violates, they and they are punished the way Manu dictates. A widow is cursed and secluded or sometimes killed. A teenage boy or girl will be given nice lessons if they cross the boundaries of Manu's castelines and normally ex-communicated.

Lives of non-hindus in villages is largely ex-communicated lives.

The British gave their military or police vehicle drivers as follows: "If you have no other choice but to choose between running over 100 people and a cow, choose the former". You will never see the intolerance of Hinduism in Bangalore or Delhi or any city. Go to the villages and you will see the reality.

You tell me where and how you find it tolerant. It will be you who will shock me if you are saying Hinduism is the most tolerant religion.

Hindus are docile and soft only when they are not given power. When they are given power they are mostly intolerant.

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calling hindusim the most intolerant religion still doesnt works for me! comparing to other religion we r better, we r best!
anyway let me stay away from other religions...................we(hindus) have been so tolerant and thats the reason why ur religion and hindus still survives!
and u r speaking of intolerance among hindus in villages.................Good Lord, they r illiterate and naive...........they follow their own way of living...........their primitive way of codes and laws! u cant call hinduism the most intolerant religion coz of that!

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Are you trying to say here that you need education to be religious ?

If they are trying to be on their own, how are they all behaving the same way from North to South in many negative things and aligns to Manu's thinking ?

How did the modification take place in the educated ? Did your education cover the Vedas and Scriptures ?

I would say the educated imbibe English culture mostly and absorb only 10% from the scriptures, while the villages over a period of 4000 years absorbed everything from the scriptures. Each village is adviced by a religious authority sitting and doing nothing but that.

If you say only educated Hindus are Hindus, then you are yourself undermining your point, because they are educated-out of Hindu system, away from their village ideologies on western based education system. My point is, they behave not the Hindu way but the Anglo-Indian way.

This is a post by Rocket boy:

"Well well but what about the recent gujarat carnage. can anyone tell me, precisely which Hindu scripture preaches the " eye for an eye " policy?Within hours of the godhra outrage , a meticulously planned massacre against the Muslims was unleashed. Women were stripped and raped. People were beheaded , dimembered and urinated upon.
I vehemently condemn the gujarat riots and these organisations (VHP, Bajrang Dal , RSS) need to be dealt with the same yardstick as other terrorist organisations like hizb-ul-mujahideen , harkut-ul-ansar, lakshar-e -toiba . "

Do you say this is Hindu tolerance ? What way is it different from other fundamentalists ?

8-) :smile2:

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

Badri you are a modorerator sure, but nobody closed this thread still, so i don't think that you should just because you are not agree with !! :roll:

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Sorry Badri.. Couldn't control

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That is the whole point of my seeking your views on this before closing. I could have closed it any time, if I chose to simply because I disagreed with it.

What you have failed to realize is that I only made everyone turn their attention back to the topic! Instead of going all over the place, by questioning the need for the thread, all of you got back to discussing the topic and its relevance and to some extent, I succeeded in bringing back the discussion on track.

And I must say only some extent, looking at the way it is still largely going all over the place!

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

This is a post by Rocket boy:

"Well well but what about the recent gujarat carnage. can anyone tell me, precisely which Hindu scripture preaches the " eye for an eye " policy?Within hours of the godhra outrage , a meticulously planned massacre against the Muslims was unleashed. Women were stripped and raped. People were beheaded , dimembered and urinated upon.
I vehemently condemn the gujarat riots and these organisations (VHP, Bajrang Dal , RSS) need to be dealt with the same yardstick as other terrorist organisations like hizb-ul-mujahideen , harkut-ul-ansar, lakshar-e -toiba . "

Do you say this is Hindu tolerance ? What way is it different from other fundamentalists ?

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I am afraid this has nothing to do with hinduism. Those cold blooded murderers are Hindutva followers. Hinduism preaches tolerance and forgiveness but Hindutva contradicts hinduism itself. Infact this hindutva followers are not preaching hinduism..their main aim is to make india fully hindu and get rid of any other minority that opposes them...this is more of their own planning and belief rather than going towards hinduism. Hindutva itself was created because these fundamentalists believed hinduism does sound very indianish...does the adding of the "tva" in place of the ism. And as i mentioned their preaching is more of extermination and establishment of India as a hindu country rather than preaching hinduism as they believe the religion is too lenient and tolerant for their likes.

Fine,
It is a given that Hindutva Organizations aren't tolerant...Of Course they aren't!! Any sort of Organization that preaches they version of awareness isn't..because preaching awareness itself is rebelling agianst something that is Current.

But what always strikes me is....

Why is the Post Godhra Riots always Magnified, by Psuedo Seculars AND the Psuedo Secular Media, when the Godhra Carnage is Malliciously Swept under the Carpet?

Not getting into arguements about the actual massacre...it was strongly believed that the Train Burning was an Act of Communalism when it happened, not just by Hindutva Supporters, but by Most of India. Even then, @ the initial stage of the Post Godhra Riots (Before the death ratio was even released) the Media seemed to be having more fun Critisizing Hindus, rather than Condemning the massacre which sparked off the violence.

A Muslim Life is more Valueble than a Hindu One?! :huh:

Another Point...Please do not jump to this without answering the earlier part of the post!

Hindutva's Ideology is more of a Militant, Eye for and Eye type of Ideology...Agreed!

But can you blame them? :huh:

Years of Persecution, Years of Ruthless Mass Murder of their people (hindus), has forced the initial leaders of the HINDUTVA MOVEMENT to start such a movement! :)

Religious Persecution of Hindus still hasn't Stopped! You'd be pathetically fooling yourself if you claimed that it had!:)

From Hindus being Targetted in Kashmir, to Train Burnings, Machine Gun Attacks in Temples, Bombs Exploding in Temples, and during Ganesh Chaturthi...Hindus are still being Persecuted for the religion, and the more abusrd thing is that, they ARE the majourity!! :roll:

Hindutva is a REACTIONARY Movement. Eye For An Eye..If you don't touch mine, then I don't touch yours! For some reason people expect Hindus to stand around blind still preaching the word Ahimsa. Even in that scenerio, an act of violence comited by a muslim isn't as condemnable as the same act of violence commited by a Hindu. :huh: Candid Hipocracy! :roll:

I am not a Gandhian. I do not think that Ahimsa is the answer! The Only way to stop the battering given to Hindus by Radical Muslims, The Sickening Psuedo Secular Media, The Minority Appeasing Govt as well as other forces, is to make a Strong Enough Point, that we will no longer just stand around and show the other cheek as we did for Centuries. :)

If another Gujarat shouldn't happen, then another Godhra shouldn't happen. If another Godhra happens, then another Gujarat will. You see how that works?

For once the media and the govt, as well as othes should realize that balls do exist and Condemn Radical Indian Muslims for their Communalism.

I do not support a Hindu Rashtra. I do not support murder of innocent lives, (Be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jain, Jew whatever), but I do not support Ahimsa either.

The more we look at each other as Hindus and Muslims the more violence will be created. Why cant we view all as humans? Are we that stubborn to realise that no matter what identity we give ourselves the basis lies that we all bleed red and have the same body like eeryone and that we are humans? What we need to do is to let people who still have humanity and sanity in them to step forward and eradicate this religious craze in humans so that we may not have to resort to violence as a opinion.

Btw i understand the usage of violence on muslims by these hindtuva followers but why harm the innocent women and children? Ever since when did cutting open a helpless pregnant womans stomach..raping her and burning a child that wunt even harm a fly become justified? Are these hindutva followers so crazy about violence that they have to become almost satanic?

BTW even if you want to really use violence...do it on those who committed those violence...not innocent people who have nothing to do with these fundamentalists.

Surya, you know the life how it will be for a minority ? Did you have any experience living outside your state in India for a short period ? Just imagine how it will be to live in that place forever. That is how a minority in any nation will feel.

If the Hindu majority in India sneeze the minorities are gone forever. Imagine what a life they must be living, in fear 24 hours a day. I myself live abroad and if I could not make sure my daughter or son will come home back alive, what a life will I have ? That is why, Surya, any democracy will give some special protection for them.

Who stops you from taking legal actions against the terrorists ?

The entire government and the society is in the hands of the majority. It is the majority rule and so why will you have terrorists or anti-social rioteers from the majority ? It is always a minority who will have to resort to Guerilla tactics bacause their voices are not heard by the majority.

Americans will comment on each other bitterly but when it comes to blacks or Indians or other minorities, they will give some respect and will show themselves as civilized.

If a lady walks by in a male dominated work place, will you not alter your conversation to a more decent tone in order to respect her ? If we do not do that, will any women be able to go for work ?

In the same way, a democracy protects the minorities. The media, police, Government Machinery, Politics etc etc is all filled in by majority thoughts and actions. In such a place, a minority cannot live unless a special protection is given to them.

The muslims in India deserve every right to live a life without fear. The majority dominated society always discriminates against them. Any respnsible media or the Govt. should protect them.

Simply that is the way a civilized world works Surya. I believe you have not understood civics yet. What we say is what the civilized nations do with their women, children and minorities.

I know it is very hard for Hindutvas to understand civilization, but they must work hard on that.

In any case, you know what is going to happen next ? The people in India will understand that the minorities are not the ones causing problems and that, it is the big overhead Hindutvas who are the real bandits Just as they understood it in South. Then they will be burnt and so on .. like the way it happened in medival Europe. India is a few hundred years behind Europe, but will catch-up very fast with greater public awareness.

If the Arab world closes its door on oil for a single day, Indian economy is gone. America will somehow get its oil. But not us. Remember that. Make sure you show a clean face to them. The NDA knows it all too well. That is why it projects its moderates.

With South the increase in the South's appearance in the Center, I do not see any career for you in Hindutva Surya. Better be on the run !

I do not understand how these cowards who lived under the unbrella of Muslim rulers for 1000 years all of sudden became courageous after they have all gone ? Why do you want to invite their attention by all the anti slogans ? Do you want them to come back and rule you "left and right" for another 1000 years ?
You guys never learn the lesson !
This is the proverb I remember when I think of your lot :
"A man who is bullied man in the street goes home to beat his wife !"

Where are the bangles gone when I want to give you a gift ?