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I listen to a few of the songs. Right away, the tunes are ordinary. The Jazz interlude in "kurangu kayil" is pretty good, but the interludes dont jell well with the rest of the song and seem forced. Probably the songs were composed for situations and something is happening on screen for IR to compose such interludes, but listening to it just in audio there doesnt seem to be a flow in the songs as was present inn earlier "hip" efforts like Agni Natchathiram or Anjali etc. Rahman's "vaan nila tharum" had some wonderful sax pieces and the whole song had an uniform energetic flow to it.
Yelai nee etti po and Poo poothadhu are average by IR's standards.I had expected something like "nee paartha paarvaikoru andri" or "niram pirithu paarthen" but Poo poothadhu neither has a great tune nor the interludes compensating for it. Kamal mentioned that IR had recorded the start of some song (I believe poo poothadhu) in Hungary. I cant see any evidence of the presence of Hungarian orchestra in the 3 songs I heard. Synth-heavy stuff which could have been belted out by local talent like Viji Manuel. No presence of any real orchestra here.
BTW, Sonu Nigam could have been in place of Udit Narayan these past few years in TFM. He is infinitely better than the latter.
On the whole, the album is certainly different at places, in terms of feel, from the usual grinding-the-same-old-flour stuff that IR has been giving us the past few years. But thats about it.
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Vijayr,
>>Yelai nee etti po and Poo poothadhu are average by IR's >>standards.I had expected something like "nee paartha paarvaikoru >>andri" or "niram pirithu paarthen" but Poo poothadhu neither has a >>great tune nor the interludes compensating for it
If you expected that, that's your problem. How can you expect a melody in place of a fast-paced number which the situation demands? Beats me!
>>Rahman's "vaan nila tharum" had some wonderful sax pieces and >>the whole song had an uniform energetic flow to it
Jazz!=Sax, however, that was a good jazz song by ARR
>>from the usual grinding-the-same-old-flour stuff that IR has been >>giving us the past few years
Wake up! Hey Ram, Virumaandi, Azhagi, Pithamagan, Ramana .... just to name a few in the recent past. What "grinding-the-same-flour stuff are you talking about?
We may disagree and hope you don't find my comments offensive.
IMO, MX is by far the movie which is most unlike anything seen in Indian film music hitherto.
alwarpet_andavan
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Vijayr,
Moreover, jazz uses various instruments including double bass, drums, voice, piano, trumpet, horn, sax (sax and tenor sax), bass guitar, acoustic guitar, flamenco guitar and even electric guitar.
Listen to "Kurangu kayyil...", "Poo poothathu..." and the theme music. Definitely free-flowing jazz, and not contrived at all!
alwarpet_andavan
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ilayarajavukkum kamalukkum yaravudhu thristi suthi podungappa.
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"If you expected that, that's your problem. How can you expect a melody in place of a fast-paced number which the situation demands? Beats me! "
Alwarpet, how can you completely misread what I wrote? Beats me! Poo Poothadhu is supposed to be a melody, not a fast paced song. So what do you mean by I wrongly expected a melody?!!!
And I was talking about the tunes, which are pretty ordinary.
I already mentioned the interlude was good in one of the songs. But "yelei nee othipo" is a late 70s/early 80s kind of tune. Only the interludes are a little different.
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Vijayr,
>Alwarpet, how can you completely misread what I wrote?
Sorry, my mistake :-)
About the tunes, i beg to differ. The more i listen to it, the better it sounds. That's the case with jazz. The patterns seem loose and "aimless", until you get used to the free-flowing nature of the patterns. Give yourself a few more listens, and you'll enjoy the ride, i'm sure :)
Regarding "yelaelo...", for IR, there's nothing like 70s-80s tune. He is a man who possesses an unbelievable "thaala-nyaanam", i.e, sense of rhythm. Check out how the percussion begins in a folk-style slow-beat and how later it transmogrifies into a stylish, hip modern rhythm. Goose-pimple stuff.
This album, is a shocker, no doubt.
alwarpet_andavan
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alwarpet, yenpa purinjukka maatengareenga? The Jazz part you are talkiung about applies only to the interludes of Kurangu kayyil. I am NOT talking about the interludes, only the tune portion of the song. In Poo poothadhu neither the tune nor the interludes make it. There is no great Jazz presence here either.
"Regarding "yelaelo...", for IR, there's nothing like 70s-80s tune. He is a man who possesses an unbelievable "thaala-nyaanam", i.e, sense of rhythm. Check out how the percussion begins in a folk-style slow-beat and how later it transmogrifies into a stylish, hip modern rhythm. Goose-pimple stuff. "
Again nothing new. Even in earlier songs like "saandhu pottu"(devar magan) you can notice this rhythm pattern change in the course of a song. Raja kayya vachca is another example. Rajadhi raja un thandirangaL from Mannan is yet another example. And the "stylish hip modern rhythm" you are talking about in the latter part of the song has already been done by most new TFM MDs in these past few years. Synth stuff-nothing new. Looks like IR has tried hard to sound like the current generation MDs.
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Vijayr,
Listening to "Poo poothathu..." as i'm typing this.
>>The Jazz part you are talkiung about applies only to the >>interludes of Kurangu kayyil. I am NOT talking about the >>interludes, only the tune portion of the song. In Poo poothadhu >>neither the tune nor the interludes make it
I completely disagree. Kurangu Kayyil is all jazz. So is the themse music, at least part1. And Poo Poothathu has strong jazz elements in it. Mixing Indian melody or folk with jazz doesn't mean there is no jazz at all in the song.
One more reason why you might feel there is no jazz except in the interlude is because in India, jazz is perceived to be just sax or trumpet. Piano, the way the drums are played, even bits of guitaring can say whether a tune hass jazz elements are not.
If you listen to the vocal jazz of the early years of jazz, you might find it different from jazz played by Miles Davis or John McLaughlin. Check out "Remembering Shakti - Live in Bombay", and this point will be clear.
And lastly, about your point that IR is trying to sound like other MDs is not worth replying to. Hence, i'm putting the matter to rest, from my side.
alwarpet_andavan
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ME:
Music is good and to me it sounded IR has exprimented well with JAZZ.
I know you have always set high standards for IR and yes it should be so, I agree.
But to say that IR has tried to sound like other MDs is a big insult to IR. IR would have experimented to sound like others either to produce a 50s/60s type song, but It is hard for me to believe he would try to sound like current crop MDs.
This is purely IMHO
Bala
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Are there any independent reviews (I do not like the idea of listening to a new album from coolgoose)...
