Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

Dsath,
My initial point/wondering was...

An act of Communalism is an act of Communalism. An act of Violence is and Act of Violence right?

Regardless of who it is perpetrated by.

I had asked, why is it that the media always tries to belittle the fundamentalism perpetrated by the muslims, but magnify the fundamentalism perpetrated by the hindus.

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Originally Posted by I earlier

it was strongly believed that the Train Burning was an Act of Communalism when it happened, not just by Hindutva Supporters, but by Most of India. Even then, @ the initial stage of the Post Godhra Riots (Before the death ratio was even released) the Media seemed to be having more fun Critisizing Hindus, rather than Condemning the massacre which sparked off the violence.

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Why is this? That was my main arguement...

And Pizzalot comes by saying that since they're minorities, it is understandable for them to indulge in violence, so it's ok when they do it! :roll:

It's hilarity gets even worse, when he starts to bring the US into his arguement.

The US's policy on such things, completly contradicts his ideas!

Here, one WILL be punishied for any sort of Communalism, regardless of the fact if he is a minority or not! He will be punished by the judicial system, as well as the Media. Now that is a Democracy! Not letting someone off the hook for murder because they are a MINORITY and putting the Spotlight of Hate on someone else, just because they are the Majority!

Please do not Compare the US with the Pathetic, Nutless Minorty Appeasing Situation in India! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Pizzalot

I do not understand how these cowards who lived under the unbrella of Muslim rulers for 1000 years all of sudden became courageous after they have all gone ?

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:lol: If ur insisting that there was no resistance against the islamic regime, then you are....sheesh..why do I even bother..forget it...drown in ur own ideas! :D

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Originally Posted by Dsath

The Godhra carnage would have been the talk of the town had not there been such a wild unleash on part of the majority community.

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Really? Is that why the MEDIA was seen throwing stones @ the BJP for Condemning the Ayodhya Temple Attack, and the March Varnasi Blasts...

Only in India can a Bomb Explode, and the people who get persecuted are the ones who Condemn it! :roll: :(


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All I ask for, is equal treatement! A murder doesn't become OK, just because it is commited by a Minority!

Fundamentalism is NEVER understandable, regardless the perpetrator...wether it's Hindutva or Muslims League or TMMK. :)

Rohit,
Welcome back..Long time. :)

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Originally Posted by Eelavar

Why temples and Buddha's statues are destructed in Afghanistan and in some part of Pakistan ?

Nothing to do with intolerance ? :roll:
What about this intolerance pizzalot ?

If it still continue today, just imagine the rate of destructions fews centuries before..

From about the 7 th century to now Hindus are beeing killed for their religion..

What the tolerance are you talking about pizzalot ?
Even my question will be why is there a big muslim minority in India ?

If Hindus were so intolerant i think there will have been a genocide of Muslims, but it is not the case.. Why pizzalot ?

Because of Hindu's intolerance ? Ha Ha Ha Ha !

Grow up before insulting this religion !

Pizzalot, the Sri lankan question as NOTHING to do with this genocide.

Tamils in Sri lanka are majoritarely Shaivists. There are too catholics and muslims..

The sri lankan problem is related to the Sinhala Buddhist chauvinism and i think it has nothing to do with Hinduism. Please do not try to mix and please come again to the thread.

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My theory supports minoroties wherever they are. In Pak/Afghanistan I take the side of Hindus and Buddhists. In India I take the side of Muslims. In Sri Lanka I take the side of Hindus, Christians, Muslims against Sinhalese. Just opposite of LKA's views. Please make your debate after asking for my views, Eelavar.

Here may be I am impressed by Christ's words of putting the last first.

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Originally Posted by Surya

Dsath,
An act of Communalism is an act of Communalism. An act of Violence is and Act of Violence right?

Regardless of who it is perpetrated by.

I had asked, why is it that the media always tries to belittle the fundamentalism perpetrated by the muslims, but magnify the fundamentalism perpetrated by the hindus.

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There is no "fundamentalism of minorities" in the world. It should be described as "pride" or "self-respect" if at all any.

Understand this first. Any act of protestation, violant or not, is committed aiming at the Government and Law made per convienience of the majority. The Govt and Law are all in majorities' hands and it is theoretically possible that the minorities are neglected or even harassed. Now after laying a law and forming a govt, you guys try to make a mock of it by taking law and action in your own hands from the backyard forming gangs of hooligans.

The minorities atleast have the excuse that they are protesting against a system which never hears their cry. What cause do you have ? If your cause is legitimate why do you not try to fight through your cause through legislation and government ? You guys are really pathetic not having the least common sense.

What sense can we expect from guys who do not even respect the Father Of The Nation ? You were banned umpteen number of times in the past and the Indian Government sees you as nothing but murderers. Your first pass was on The Mahatma itself. It was no Muslim who had killed the Father Of The Nation. It was a Hindu Fanatic and since you have no shame of calling yourself a HF, I can safely say the kind of you are murderers.

Calling ME a pseudo-secularist, Mr. Anti-Nationalist ?

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Originally Posted by Rohit

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

Genocide comes from the word Genos (which means family,tribe or race) + Cide (which is termination or killing). So you must be able to clearly define who the affected party is if you want us to proceed further. "Geno" has an element of genetics and bilogical origin to it. What it does not have is "religion", "belief", "culture","goodness" etc which the beginning of this thread was all about. You can call the killing based on religion with any other word, but not Genocide.

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Dear Pizzalot

Below is the UNO definition of genocide, adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948; and it does include religious group. I am afraid, your understanding of genocide seems to be flawed and erroneous.

Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

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I was only asking Eelavar/Badri to give a clear direction to this thread. While I was right with the meaning of the word Genocide, taking the roots, it really does not matter here. My stand on minorities is going to be the same if or not you guys give bilogical considerations. I only wanted to understand what Eelavar had in his mind while starting this thread.

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Originally Posted by Surya

An act of Communalism is an act of Communalism. An act of Violence is and Act of Violence right?

Regardless of who it is perpetrated by.

I had asked, why is it that the media always tries to belittle the fundamentalism perpetrated by the muslims, but magnify the fundamentalism perpetrated by the hindus.

It's hilarity gets even worse, when he starts to bring the US into his arguement.

The US's policy on such things, completly contradicts his ideas!

Please do not Compare the US with the Pathetic, Nutless Minorty Appeasing Situation in India! :lol:

All I ask for, is equal treatement! A murder doesn't become OK, just because it is commited by a Minority!

Fundamentalism is NEVER understandable, regardless the perpetrator...wether it's Hindutva or Muslims League or TMMK. :)

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You are mis-quoting DSath. In the US/UK it is the legislation or judiciary of the majority that punishes violent act of the minorities. The media respects the judgement of the land and reports accordingly. In India some 1000 bangle wearing hooligans, hide behind each other and insults their own judiciary and legislation.

Is it clear now ?

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Originally Posted by Badri

Pizzalot: pls edit your comments. Dont indulge in any personal attacks of this kind!

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How can you say this as personal attack ? I was meaning a whole bunch of people among who Surya is a member.

However, I will edit it.

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Originally Posted by Surya

Don't base everyhting on TN...The number of members joining the RSS is increasing in Karnataka and Andra Pradesh.

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You know what Mr. Surya ? We kind of sensed it and took appropriate measures. Did you take the attendance of the meetings after Mr. AS announced the affirmative actions ? 1000 students is all they could get to protest against a central minister. Man ! With the kind of satellite eye-sight the central ministers have gotten, he would not even have noticed a 10,000 students self-immolating themselves. Anyway, please let us know if there is a large number of turn-out in your regular meetings. If so, perhaps we will have to increase the percentage. Our target is 99.9999999% and will still be based on 1925 survey. We are trying to cover everyone except a very few. So please go and study hard.

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Originally Posted by dsath

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

I do not understand how these cowards who lived under the unbrella of Muslim rulers for 1000 years all of sudden became courageous after they have all gone ?

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Good question!

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Insecurity may be.

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Yes. I am infact worried for these people because as the history reveals the people will turn against them one day and .... you know .. the medieval European thing.. that is what will happen to these folks.

Surya, btw, you mentioned about Ayodhya Ram mandir and so on. Was it really true Ram ruled the whole of India ?

Why is it we read about Asoka or even Gazni but not about Ram in the History books ? Are you guys having any plans to revise the school text books ?

And what and who was Hanuman ? And his entire Kingdom of monkeys ? Will your text books also explain who the writers meant ? And who are the the Rakshashas ? Anyone who does not accept the authority of Ram ? Could he actually be Sita's father because this guy tortured her ? After-all he proved his quality later by burning her and later abandoning her..

Why do you guys say MF Hussain's drawing of Sita and Hanuman in nudity as "disgusting" while every temple of ours depicts goddessess in nudity ? Will your textbooks explain that also ?

Who are the Dasayus who are their hosts but yet disgusting because they worshiped the Phallus (Linga) and so they deserved to be slain in millions with the help of Indra ? Why are these scriptures being read again and again there by offending the local hosts who still inhabitate parts of India ?

Why did you convert the Buddha as Venkatachalapathy and hid his face with a big nama ? Are going to give the Buddhists the world's second largest temple back ? Why do you consider only muslims as "foreigners" while accepting the Raj Puts as local who only came 200 years before the muslims ? The color of the Burkha really matters ?

The Muslims regret their conversion and want to get converted back into Hindus. What is the varna they will get ?

Why do you even bother if I was Abdul or Mohammed .. just answer these questions if you can ... there is a whole big list coming out .. but first answer these questions.

Just one more to the list:

Why do you guys humiliate all the Hindus by transforming a bull into a horse ? (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Part...horseplay.html)

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Very funny .. I request everyone to read this. ah ah ah !!