Hmmm,good progress in 3 months(u have been away from the hub for this period right?) :D .No wonder weekend cricket took a beatingQuote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
:lol:
Am doing very fine,Thank you.
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Hmmm,good progress in 3 months(u have been away from the hub for this period right?) :D .No wonder weekend cricket took a beatingQuote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
:lol:
Am doing very fine,Thank you.
JaiGanes ,
Yes u r right - I was commenting on the manner of publicity .You have to market heavily but in a sensible way .
( U can't involve Mumtaz and maker say ' naan thiru vasagam ketkiraen' and promote thiruvasagam ;)
Madan's answer! Mottaiyin Adutha Mottai Yarukku?
http://www.dinamalar.com/2005Nov22/vikatan.asp
I could not see the question or answer as quoted!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
Madan's answer!
Mottaiyin Adutha Mottai Yarukku?
But I rather found a different question:
IR thiruvaasagaththukku aduththu enna seyyalaam?
Then answer was:
He can work on some Bharathiyaar or Bharathidaasan songs and make the world to enjoy and appreciate it.
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Guys!
Have you ever heard of "filthy hub-looters"- some new kind of lowlifes????
When there is a fire, or Tsunami or flood, looters steal and do all cheap things. That is looters u may aware of that.
These "hub-looters" are spineless low lifes always come up with some worthless crap by manipulating the facts!
Seems like we have got some around here.
If IR cheated someone, that loser can always go to the court and prove that IR is guilty and prove to the world.
until then all the accusations are nothing but BS!
Critics run their lowlife by speculating anything in the world.
These "hub-looters" take advantage of such low-level critics's bs and make a story out of it.
hmmm....
People calling names now in a public forum. What a pity? I didn't go and announce publicly that I am going to donate to tsunami and music college from all the TIS profits. Since God sees the truth, I didn't donate diamond hands from part of the profit to cover up the money made in the Wellpoint deal. No wonder God keeps them in nether than other MD (kudu satiyiale kudirai odikkondu irukkargal)
mudhal mottai pirachinaiye innum theeralaiye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
theru sandaiyai vida mosamaa irukku.
Entha jilaba manasila romba rouse-unu nenaippu!! Ella threadlayim poi kalaikiranu "sappai " thanama post pannikitu erukkuthu!! ethu weight thaanu yaaravathu solunga!! Seri ezhavu naayae naanae solren!!
" Jilaba!! sema weight pa nee!! enna sharp!! enna presence of mind!! chance-a illai"
It was interesting to read that "Making of Thiruvasagam" VCD is being supplied as part of TTLS!!
http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/200...ruvasakam.html
The article says:
Infact Father Jegath Gespar himself has carried the mike and camera to interview various musicians from Hungary
Now. does Father Jegath / TIS-USA has any ownership/copyright of this VCD?[/quote]
Dear all,
Pl. check our website www.tis-usa.com for an update. Thanks.
YIA!!
And, as you are busy with the holiday shopping, keep TbI also in your list!
prabhu, by no remote imagination can I be a devotee of IR. If I were, I would have taken a lot more effort and pains over Thiruvasagam itself.You are misinterpreting my point.
So far, there has been lot of smoke but no evidence of fire. Smoke is Smoke or snow? Thats the question. kiru et al are going by what the father says. I refuse to. Give me cold hard facts. Dont give me the "believe the saint" bull-shit, whether the alleged saint in question is IR or Fr Jegath.
If all this smoke disillusioned you about IR, I cant say much. In human relationships, nobody is perfect. People come out with their versions of truth.
As you can see, IR has done some good things(allegedly - nobody knows the truth about what he really did for Ramarajan etc) and some alleged bad things. One can only presume that he did things according to his conscience.
I am sorry to say, each of you look back at your life - your actions would be interpreted differently bydifferent people - go and interview those relatives of yours who never seem to be on good terms withyou(I am sure each of you would have a handful) and they will give you a far different image of you than you have.
What we are being sold is IR's image as per X, Y and Z. You may buy it. I will not. You go shoot a irrefutable proof and I will buy that.
This doesnt make me a IR devoteee - it merely makes me rational. Irrational are those who now want to believe that IR is guilty when even, as Ikeep stressing, , THE CHARGES HAVE NOT BEEN FRAMED! (talk of an inefficent prosecution :-)
rajdes, I am not going JUST by Father or TISK's version of events. I have been reading about IR and his music very intently for the last 8 years in the media - including his books, news items, interviews, speeches during concert recording, most of all his songs, including lyrics by himself and his friends (like Karunanidhi).
Just like you, I consider myself rationals, that is why I am disappointed with IR's attitude/actions in this matter. If IR does not come out with a clarification, he is making a massive PR gaffe. I doubt we will see another public-funded project like TIS in future.
Kiru, as you yourself have stated as some one who has been closely following IR for the last so many years, you must have got wind of IR's unethical practices some time or other and why didn't you blow the whistle when TIS/TM were seeking public donation then?
IR making PR gaffe - story as old as the hills. If his PR gaffes amount to crimes, he must be sitting atop a crime hill as high as the everest now. Yes, I would echo Thumburu. Why didnt you or for that matter vijay or anyone who have been forming a negative opinion on IR's honezty over the past few years based on magazine reports, website 'news' etc blow the whistle on IR earlier - when the money was being collected in his name - see, how easy it is to ask questions?
IR adhai en pannalai? ithai en pannalai? We can keep asking till the cows come home. Adharku munnal, let me ask people who we know actually are cognizant of this forum and our discussions - why dont they come up with their version of the truth along with collection and spending details - a full account as it were literally and figuratively? Have they already done it? if so, pls do point to me the specific link.
If TM and TIS boldly come out with their statement of accounts, and establish their honesty once and for all, I will not even wait for further evidence on IR's wrong doing - I will join you in hounding him until he speaks atleast. Until then, sorry, the rational response is to wait for the truth to emerge. Anyone leaning towards either side can only be called biased.
Pl. refer to my posting on the 25th in this page. YIA!!
Since TiS-USA does not want to quote the numbers elsewhere, my `safe' posting below about their blog (esp. for neutral observers like rajdes)...
I feel there couldn't be any better communication than posting so much details on the web by Tis-USA. And I do think that it has honesty written all over it. Theirs is a question of over-enthu and now coping with ground realities.
However, after going through the numbers, even though I do not agree to the concept of `CD's at cost against loan', which I still maintain is improper, that's probably the only thing that TM could offer them...or what TM could get from IR/ wellgate since they probably are totally businesslike and didn't want to spend a penny on the production from their packet. (IR's take could be like 'I gave my creativity, and it will sell on both merit and my popularity / publicity etc. Why should I ALSO pay money from my packet? I've never done a thing like that for any of my projects...I'm only used to GETTING money and not spending money on my albums... Let TM sell and give back the loan to Tis-USA...after all, they WILL make more money than invested...') And IR/wellgate could have reasoned that the cost of CD's is just that -physical media and production cost- which is reasonable...
And to the credit of IR/wellgate, they have probably not appointed any disti in NA so for...to make sure Tis-USA is home...
And TM & Tis-USA would have mutually agreed that the additional amount (i.e. cost of CD's) will also be invested apart from the loan, in any case we should be in a position to get back at least the investment as the product seems to be OK...and may move fast...
For now, let us keep TM/ Wellgate/IR away from this scene and focus on the plight of Tis-USA, which is kind of independent as of now...and will possibly be in a position to salvage their condition sometime in the future, if not immediate...with some help & efforts ofcourse...
The issue for Tis-USA seems to be the `slow-moving' nature of the product. And the inability to pump in more marketing efforts to speed up the movement, given that funds beyond the means of the org has already been invested in production...
So, come on DFers of North America, chip in with your ideas to expedite the movement of the product...don't worry whether the idea is do'able or wild...any idea should be welcome and who knows what will click for Tis-USA...(And this is probably a better effort, Kiru sir, than trying to salvage TM which is not so open in providing figures to the public yet)...
What about some target marketing through the web TISK sir? To begin with, why not approach RR to help...to send a special offer through e-mail to the 8000 plus subscribers to "The Hub" (probably 50% of them away from TN and not all would have known about TbI or obtained a copy) ?
There could be similar close-knit Thamizh speaking communities on the web...who can be approached through individual e-mails...
app_engi & others
I got the response mail from my local library of their purchase of TIS(CD & DVD). sorry I am boring you all with my ONLY one suggestion but it is a easy, sure way!
I posted the response to the group so that our other USA fans /UK fans will be encouraged by it and will try harder with their local library!!
Fellows visiting USA on deputation(even short duration), you can get your library card easily, all you need is a proof of your current address-your rental agreement,bank statement,driver's license will do!
I think fans living in Developed nations(USA,UK,Australia,Canada etc... ) can try!!
More sample forms around the globe!
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Library/suggest.shtml
http://www.library.usyd.edu.au/conta...tpurchase.html
I am speechless with gratitude for the forthright plain writings, Mr. 'app-engine'. Thanks a lot.
You have summarized the position very clearly and correctly and I am willing to play along.
thanks again.
And... thank you too, Ms. 'boroque'!
TISK, Please stop posting 'thank you' notes!
Neenga ponelaa to your local library with your spouse or daughters or friends???????
I feel better if few people come and post ' yes, Vinu! I also tried with my local library!'
This is a GREAT Music! It is not expensive! The reference desk people/librarian at my library really took interest when I showed them the web-site! I felt very good! I am trying with another library too! It’s a WINNING idea! Public get a GREAT music, we get to sell our cds,pay our loans too! pannungappa! love, vinatha
Yuva..yuvaaa...yuvaaa.. yuvayuvayuvaaaa...
more and more more and more truth.....
IR's initial proposal:
Thiruvasagam: as a concept to the present and future generation for a historical exploration of a musical experiment in philosophico-anthro-spiritual past to be presented to the youth of 21st century. (ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!) (please note, it doesn't say anything about multilingual approach, using SONY NEWYORK..etc)
Fr Jegath Gaspar creates an NGO for tamil culture and development - TAMIL MAIYAM and offers itself to IR for TIS!!!!!. Obviously it had nothing else to do!!!!( again...ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!)
TM after much deliberation decides that TIS should present itself in four different language (tamil, hindi, english and german). Ambitious/or naive/or stupid/or asking us all to be stupid??)
It creates a website and falsely projects Shri Vajpayee and others giving credibility to this project in the political climate of the all powerful hindutva(who in their dreams expected UPA to be the next power in the homeland!!!!!).
A clear exploitation of the WWW media and WWW deception and WWW SCAM!!!!
TM in a mistaken gamble, targets TFMPage as its source for fools and identifies vulnerable fanatics and presents this project (including kiru and other noble philanthropists in this forum!!!!ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!). TISSSASS, TISSS, TISS, TISK and everyone else falls for this!!!!!! surprise surprise surprise!!!!! Aren't you happy you got what you deserve??!! (Sankar Kumar happens to be in the advisory panel of TM !!??)
TIS-USA after initailly critizising the venture (those who doubt this scroll back to IR new albums page before TIS page came into existence), finally falls into the laps of TM's deception, becomes a member of TM and makes its own agenda. It lays down its own agenda for commercial success, works on its dollars, TGD campaign and after established itself as a significant force in this project, seeks Richard King and Sony as its selling/marketing coup in USA.
It also identifies Stephen Swartz as the only insignificant soul in this whole non-consequential postmodern world who can possibly translate the insights of the great MANICKAVAASAGAR's view of human existence.
Unfortunately, for TIS-USA, it could access IR only through TM. IR, steadfastedely stuck to the original agreement of composing the music when everything else was ready and held the rights for his creativity, no matter what the production effort was( stephen swartz' translation, Budapest's performance rights, sound engineering). ( do you see a genius in action ... not just in his art but also in the art of managing those who can potentiallly exploit him!!!???) ( he never asked for Stephen Swartz, or Richard King, or Budapest or the Sony Music studio in New York).
TIS-USA then spends all its donation, (loans - no evidence for this yet!! and never will there be one) for Richard King, Sony and Stephen Swartz. (ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!). IR then has a master stroke in store for the TIS-USA and TM. IR rejects the master tape sent by SONY NEW YORK. HOW VERY SAD... cho..cho...choooo. SONY-NEW YORK was not upto the standard IR expected. They made critical errors in their music theory!!!! IR sends the tape back to them for corrections (while TIS-USA is wondering what hit them!!!).
TIS_USA shells out more and also gets the first glimpse of their business misadeventure and then realizes that there is tough battle to contend with a genius not just in his art but also in music business( of course TM and TIS_USA were novices in this..ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!)
All those who frequent this forum, raise your hands if you think this TIS required Stephen Swartz, Richard King, Sony studio NY USA ( hoping that there will be none). And also raise your hands if you think that Thiruvasagam by IR is a worthy product for either TIS-USA or TM to spend their effort over 2-3 years (will most definitely not want to raise my hand for this).
:lol: :D :wink: :?:
Digression----
Kavin, everytime i read your post, I'm reminded of the character kikuchiyo ( from the Seven Samurai - played brilliantly by the legendary toshiro mifune)and his lengthy monologue about peasants and samurai :-) , especially those laughter you've added after making your points.
----end digression
kavin....Just a few mintues of the track 2 of the album is worth hmmmmm........well I cant find something to equate it to.....PRICELESS. hope it answers your questions
Shankar, is there an mp3 of that? Just being curious :lol:
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I haven't come across one. But the dvd i have has english subtitles tho the movie itself is in japanese. Was seven samurai ever dubbed into english ?
I somehow prefer japanese soundtrack with english subtitles (i have watched rashomon both in japanese and in english...the dubbed version isn't all that good)...Toshiro's voice modulation cannot be matched.
And also raise your hands if you think that Thiruvasagam by IR is a worthy product for either TIS-USA or TM to spend their effort over 2-3 years (will most definitely not want to raise my hand for this). - That may be your opinion. But I raise my hand for this. Show me any worthier product of any Indian MD in the last few years that beats this one
Well, Kavin is entitled to have his opinions!
Yesterday evening I went to another library in my locality, here also the reference desk people was very kind and took time to look at the TIS-USA site, impressed by the artists involved in this GREAT project, I informed them Shri.Ilayaraaja is a BIG Name in film industry in South India, I am positive they are ordering too for the public to access!
Thanks to the tax payers in my area :) , you have done a WISE investment! :clap: :thumbsup: vinu.
Kavin Has become somewhat confused because of the whole scenario and His post shows this. He is not supporting either. Goof lord :shock: please kavin relax for sometime and listen to IR songs :)
Baroque,
Thanks for your efforts in helping out TISK :thumbsup:
Rajasaranam,
Bulk aa order pannamataa! Okvaa!!
They may be buying one or two copies of TIS! that’s all!
Even Classic Holly wood movies/music albums or current sensations like Tom Cruise or Leonardo Dicaprio or Cameron diaz movies also they stock only one or two copies for the public to access when request comes!! :)
yeah, I could understand quantum mechanics a little bit but kavin's post is much harder for me to understand :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
I feel bad for the celebrities as anybody can talk any trash about them, sometimes using the name of God too. :(
I dont see any reason for IR to use TIS to make a fortune for him as there are plenty of ways in which he can make the same money unlike some poor hubbers here. 8-)
It will be wonderful if we are given a the privilege to consider the hubbers-who come up with allegations- also as a public figure or a celebrity. Because we can really show that the allegations are nothing but trash in their own way! 8-)
For IR it is not about money only it is also about his ego.
IR lost to ARR in Tfm.. then ARR went to become No.1 in Hindi then went on to become a world composer in a span of few years.
IR wanted to do the same rather late in the expense of other peoples hardwork, name, and finance. IR mismanaged his finances but now trying hard to be in par with ARR. But it is too late for him. TIS is an album where none of the big heads even want to sponsor while we as fans donated money for some ones greed and ego. Lot of lies were spread by IR himself at the end he made the profit for himself. The Tsunami victims and Sunderajan soul will never forgive him for all the lies.
Just like Michael "lost" to Shaq, I suppose ?! :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
Any creator has ego. If he/she does not have that "ego" he would not have become a "creator". 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
He rather would have become a "philosophor" instead. :D
I read ABOVE, "It is not about money and it is about IR's ego"????Quote:
Lot of lies were spread by IR himself at the end he made the profit for himself.
The profit helps him to get more ego or what??? :roll:
"Lot of Lies by IR..."
When I as a fan donated money, it was for IR who stated that he'll set Thiruvasagam with a Symphony Orchestra.
That he delivered. That was the only reason I as a fan donated money. It was not for TM or anything else.
Let us be objective here. Our donation was sought for the making of TIS - which was done and delivered.
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IR lost to ARR in Tfm.. then ARR went to become No.1 in Hindi then went on to become a world composer in a span of few years.
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sari...sari....kanavu kandadhu pOdhum, muzhichukkOngO...
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while we as fans donated money for some ones greed and ego.
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WHAT'S UR CONTRIBUTION TO TIS IN TERMS OF FINANCE ?? HOW MUCH DID YOU DONATE ?? (DID YOU DONTATE AT ALL ????)....NOW DON'T TRY TO PIGGY BACK ON THE REAL DONORS :-)
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Lot of lies were spread by IR himself at the end he made the profit for himself. The Tsunami victims and Sunderajan soul will never forgive him for all the lies.
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ON what basis are you quoting all these BS ??? Can i just go around and say you are an IDIOT just bcos I have a net connection and login id to a forum ??? Get your facts right...Quote your sources...and THEN blame.
What have Tsunami victims got to do with TiS...Who told you sundararajan wasn't happy with Raja when he worked till his last breath with Raja and no one else ?
The major problem being a public figure (and a guy like Raja who worships his work) is that you would be treated like dirt by Low lives who have done nothing themselves, and you have to listen to it inspite of knowing that they are low lives..Sigh...
There was any 100 m race between IR and ARR? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger
Exactly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger
He is composing music not lies 8-)Quote:
I read ABOVE, "It is not about money and it is about IR's ego"????Quote:
Lot of lies were spread by IR himself at the end he made the profit for himself.
The profit helps him to get more ego or what??? :roll:
Someone is comparing Michael Jackson (IR) to ShaQ (ARR). I am sure it is not intended for Jordon. I respect a person based on character. His music might be good (not excellent) but if he falters in moral values then he is nothing but a cheat. I read someone quoting that Mozart, Beethovan had evil virtues. I could probably say IR might be in par with those geniuses in virtues alone.
I am the one who actually brought the issue of IR donating diamond fingers to GOD while TIS-USA was literally begging for money.
I am one who brought light to this controversy while others were hiding behind the facts.
It is Michael Jordon and Shaq!
you need to check out nba.com and learn a bit.
And people do know what they are talking about unlike you! :lol:
And you are the one who claimed as IR fan as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
And you are the one who is back-stabbing him now too! :(
I would advice you to read my posting again. People think that they are fashion statement quoting NBA and stuff.
Regarding backstabbing, I am learning this from my idol thats all. I am fan to his music but I cannot take it when this egomaniac ruining other peoples life.
Vyasar,
Let us be a little more objective here. I too donated for TiS. I did so, not because TiS-USA asked me or TM asked me. To me, this was a new concept.., like the NPR. I liked the idea and wanted to support this project.. Thats it. I'm a big fan of IR's music, and to that effect he did'nt let me down. Thiruvasagam by IR is probably his best composition ever. So, I'm a little clueless when people say that he cheated. Can somebody substantiate please?