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You should have been given an academy award for repeating opinions which were rejected all over the shop!!
Keep it up Devapriya!!
Sanskrit is dated to 4c ACE. Nothing came from Sanskrit.
Sanskrit was made up from elements of many languages. Invented for prayers. I am not saying that the language is not good. You may do your prayers in Sanskrit if you like.
Dear Bismala,
You attack unnecessarily, Can you quote or link which University tells your lies.
What then is your dating for Rig Veda and Tholkappiyam and please link with Acceptable Authorities.
It is an ongoing dialogue between some old hubbers in this forum. You have not read all the posts obviously. Please do not come in between at the tal end and jump to your own conclusions as to whether any reply is an attack or not and whether it is necessary or not. Mine is a necessary comment.Quote:
You attack unnecessarily
As to the linguistic query you raised, please read all the old posts in this thread and all connected threads. I do not intend to repeat evidence so far brought up and explained..
Thank you.
The trick of accusing a poster or writer in any forum of lying and getting her to spring into action to produce more references and links for you... it is a way of getting someone to be your workhorse!! One may want more references or data for some specific purpose or because of some general interest in the subject under discussion. For all I know, this person may be herself doing a thesis or writing a book. Then accusing someone who has been writing on the topic of telling lies is a good trick. You can expect this person to go on her bended knees and beg to be cleared of the accusation of lying... by producing materials, which you can use in your own book or thesis....
I have already come across two books in which some of the materials discussed in forums have been made use of. I have also been informed that programmes in broadcasting stations have made use of such materials. We are aware of what is going on.......!!
If you think what we are saying is not correct, YOU PRODUCE YOUR REFERENCES AND PUBLISH YOUR RESEARCH FOR US TO EXAMINE.
iF YOU HAVE NONE TO PRODUCE, then you are not entitled to get your materials from us by levelling an accusation against us.
:shock: Mala, that's news to me. If that has indeed happened, it is severe academic plagiarism (if they haven't acknowledged the source). Can you name the books here?Quote:
Originally Posted by bis_mala
Lawyers have advised me not to give the names of these books until they come to a conclusion Kannan.
I can give you a bunch of book names. The one I am currently working through is called "Plagiarism - The Principles of Vedic Philosophy"
Mala,
I should send you a soft copy of this great book and you can comment and quote from there.
Please do. Thanks in advance.
Do not talk gibberish and converge your route through atrocity.
Samskrith was not made up like dravidian languages, it is the language of the gods(dEvaBASA) and has no specific period of existence as against tamil which is not more than 3000 years old and that is not just my view but view of all the learned ones.
And as far as praying is concerned, Samskrith is still using the same gods right from its existence unlike tamil which changed the name of its gods(ofcourse after Samskrith names) from whatever to whatever. Lastly even Kannada has more antiquity in this regard as Maathus existed before thevarams and prabandhams(one more point here- prabandham itself is a Samskrith word as against knowledge of some peanut brains).
And where are these gods from? Were the gods bored that much that the invented the dEvapAsai? I only wonder why they did not invented the telephone!Quote:
Originally Posted by shoyonika
Scholars have identified River Saraswati, adverted to in the Rig Veda, with Afghanistan’s Helmand river but deny that it refers to Ghaggar river.. The Rig Veda, therefore was not India-made but Afghanistan-product dated after 1700 BC. The Vedic people settled in south Afghanistan between Helmand and Arghandab composed the Rigvedic hymns. They were occult practitioners who went round composing and reciting the hymns, the remnants of which now form the Rig Veda.as they were called after they were compiled and reduced to writing nearly 2000 years later at the dawn of the Christian era. Then some individual according to her religious persuasion think of the hymns as divine. But this is a matter of individual’s belief.
Since Afghanis have now become Muslims, one need not fear any claims for the proprietorship of the Rig Veda presently. Hence now by default, anyone in South Asia can claim it.
The Vedic peoples came into contact with the later Harappans in 1300 BC (according to some scholars) in the subcontinent (now Pakistan. As the Harappan people spoke Dravidian, the Vedics absorbed many Dravidian elements into their hymns and this was how the 800 to 1000 Tamil/Dravidian words found their way into the hymns which at the time were not in writing. The Aryan language then did not have any writing system. . This early Aryan language was not Sanskrit; we can call it Rigkrit. Sanskrit derived partly from the Aryan dialect that came in and mostly from Dravidian and Munda language elements!!
No meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoyonika
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Samskrith was not made up like dravidian languages
It is wholly indebted to Dravidian for its lexical base and sound system.
It was first called "Deyubadai" Paadu = sing. Paadai - that which is sung or hymns. Deyu(m) -- waning, reducing. It lost its vigor in the Afghan area and was on the decline. So the hymns were "Declicing hymns". Later this corrupted to become Devupashai or devabashai. Now wrongly analysed and misunderstood as devabasha!!Quote:
it is the language of the gods(dEvaBASA)
Invented languages do not have any specific existence let alone period of existence.Quote:
and has no specific period of existence
Learned ones including Solomon = shoyonika!!Quote:
just my view but view of all the learned ones.
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And as far as praying is concerned, Samskrith is still using the same gods right from its existence unlike tamil which changed the name of its gods(ofcourse after Samskrith names) from whatever to whatever
Hehehe!! Now you are feeling the effect of the jab.
Some pbb do not understand that Samskrith is not a language at all. It is a prayer compo. It is now like a shelf company which ended up there despite all the investiments in the past. My tears for it.........Quote:
Lastly even Kannada has more antiquity in this regard as Maathus existed before thevarams and prabandhams(one more point here- prabandham itself is a Samskrith word as against knowledge of some peanut brains).
I LOVE SANSKRIT BECAUSE ABOUT 2/3 OF IT IS DRAVIDIAN/MUNDA though about 1/3 is old old Iranian for which I have no feelings.
Hi Devapriya = Solomon = Pavitra = Uppuma = PaulThomas etc etc!! Happy weekend to you and your sams and krith!!
:lol: no need of a joke book
firstly it is dEvaBASA not pAsai :lol:Quote:
And where are these gods from? Were the gods bored that much that the invented the dEvapAsai? I only wonder why they did not invented the telephone!
secondly invention of telephone is not new to gods ofcourse it is to you, as you can find much more sophisticated manner of speech that existed during vedic times especially mentioned in atharvaNavEda.
So give your brains some exercise and refer to books before you give an article.
Lastly the Gods are never bored because they have created you for a good laughter :lol:
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Scholars have identified River Saraswati, adverted to in the Rig Veda, with Afghanistan’s Helmand river but deny that it refers to Ghaggar river.. The Rig Veda, therefore was not India-made but Afghanistan-product dated after 1700 BC.
dont some people ever use brains?
Afghan was known as gandhara from vedic times and was as much a part of India then as tamilnad is now, So, :lol: tough luck to prove vEdAs afghani
anyways :lol: :lol: :lol: i cant control laughter when such silly things happen.
lots and lots of luck next time! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think even i some one needs to claim Sanskrit or Tamil as the oldest, we need written evidence or carbon dating kind of evidences, right?
In 3200 BC, there were many, many languages spoken besides Sumerian and Egyptian, but they weren't fortunate enough to have a writing system.
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It is wholly indebted to Dravidian for its lexical base and sound system.
joke of the year! :lol:
does it make any sense when you say you have made a donation to someone, when you yourself have taken a loan from that same person, that cannot be paid off till eternity?
In Samskrith, if you want to write something for ex say Gandhiji, you can write it, unlike in some lingos, where Gandhiji becomes Kanthiji :lol:
and you say those languages have given Samskrith a lexical base? :lol:
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It was first called "Deyubadai" Paadu = sing. Paadai - that which is sung or hymns. Deyu(m) -- waning, reducing. It lost its vigor in the Afghan area and was on the decline. So the hymns were "Declicing hymns". Later this corrupted to become Devupashai or devabashai. Now wrongly analysed and misunderstood as devabasha!!
Samskrith works still exist and are in continuously unbroken tradition from tens of thousands of years, so deyubadai or whatever is suitable only for waning languages like..................samjha karo yaar :lol:
does this statement hold good for dravidian languages too( as they are branches of Samskrith)? :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Invented languages do not have any specific existence let alone period of existence.
no :)Quote:
Learned ones including Solomon = shoyonika!!
learned ones like bisssssssssssssssmala and thenral katthu :lol: :lol:
yes thats true Samskrith wipes everyone`s tears, be it a scholar or ........... anyone for that matter :lol: :lol:Quote:
Some pbb do not understand that Samskrith is not a language at all. It is a prayer compo. It is now like a shelf company which ended up there despite all the investiments in the past. My tears for it.........
we too have no feeling for this :arrow::lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
I LOVE SANSKRIT BECAUSE ABOUT 2/3 OF IT IS DRAVIDIAN/MUNDA though about 1/3 is old old Iranian for which I have no feelings.
You are using your brains very much Was there any India then? Was it one country then? Why do you use the word India?Quote:
dont some people ever use brains?
Afghan was known as gandhara from vedic times and was as much a part of India then as tamilnad is now, So, tough luck to prove vEdAs afghani
anyways i cant control laughter when such silly things happen.
lots and lots of luck next time!
When historians say Afghan, they mean the place presently known as Afghanistan. It is of little relevance to the argument whether it was then known as Ghandara or not.
This is the second time you have commented about brains. No one with any brains will call any language a devabasha!!
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Dravidian languages are branches of the fake and invented language Sanskrit?, stateless and never in home speech? Only first class prize idiots will say so!! You are completely devoid of any knowledge of linguistics. bodoh!Quote:
does this statement hold good for dravidian languages too( as they are branches of Samskrith)?
You are trying to get away by using emoticons?
well i can see some one is unstable here. From where did afganese get involved in these language discussion. I think languages are more local. Example, India has one language for each state :lol: . Also may be people during that time were so conservative (ego) not to learn or use words from other languages, thereby distinguishing one language from the other.
so, probably every language can evolve very much independently with few or no aspects in common. Lets dont argue about something which we are not so clear about.
One more thing, guys keep your postings short as possible. I cannot read lengthy postings due to being so lazy
Afghanistan is featured well in the history of India from ancient times. One historian wrote that Indra, the general of the Aryans had his force in one of the mountains there. Another said that the Vedas were composed there as well. Afghan Aryans were the purer Aryans according to some.
Another version is that the Vedas were composed in Punjab and recomposed in the Gangetic area.after there was a split between the Aryan groups.
My own version is different. All these knowledge and learning were derived from the Tamils of the Kumari Kandam. Vetham is a Tamil word. Upanishad is also a Tamil word – that is these words were from Tamil roots. I reserve this for the moment.
India was previously known as BArathaQuote:
Was there any India then? Was it one country then? Why do you use the word India?
Well, Gandhara is the main thing and is ofcourse of great importance, unless you do not want to rectify yourself. Whenever speaking about something, knowledge in detail, of its history is of utmost importance.Quote:
When historians say Afghan, they mean the place presently known as Afghanistan. It is of little relevance to the argument whether it was then known as Ghandara or not.
Well well, its about brains and not brainless.Quote:
No one with any brains will call any language a devabasha!!
It is not a single person who identifies Samskrith a dEvaBASA until you know the other name of Samskrith, that is gIrvANI or gIrvANa BASA which itself means `language of the gods`
[tscii]No connection to my quotation.Quote:
The Ja and Sha etc we use in Tamil were letters invented or formed for the Tamil language by ourselves. Sanskrit is not the only language with such letters. The Tamils had trade and other relationship with many other countries in the past, notably Arabs, Romans etc. These letters are not a gift from Sanskrit. .
See who teaches me tamil :lol: . It is better for people to keep their very little knowledge amongst themselves. By the way, `ha` is not made by the combination of u and ra, moreover it is not ra, it sounds tra when spoken correctly( as in maTTRum or munneTTRa).Quote:
They are made by making slight changes in our own letters: e.g. the Tamil "i" is changed slightly to make the Tamil "ja". The Tamil "ha" is made by combining Tamil "u" and "Ra". Only stupids who had not studied the Tamil letters closely will say that they were borrowed from scriptless Sans
Yes, very true, Idiots should not try their hands at linguistics.Quote:
They are not forged from Devanaagari, which at any rate was also made in Jaffna, by the "thiivu naagar"s. Idiots should keep out of academic and linguistic discussion.
dEvanAgari means `of dEvanagar` that is, any guesses?
place in history which was for some instance in Indian history, its capital and for gods sake no more jokes owing its origins to jaffna :lol:
Armaic and Samskrith, good try, but very bad `match-the-following`.Quote:
Sanskrit itself had used Aramaic script first and learnt of the letters from Aramaic. Those with some brains for history will know this kayu!!
No no no. I never said that, so, who becomes the idiot? :lol:Quote:
Dravidian languages are branches of the fake and invented language Sanskrit?, stateless and never in home speech? Only first class prize idiots will say so!! You are completely devoid of any knowledge of linguistics. bodoh!
You are trying to get away by using emoticons?
You`ve mistaken me. They are not mere branches but derivatives of Samskrith. Had I been devoid of linguistic knowledge, then you and I would have become a great pair.
Using of names of Gods as general of aryans is an offence and it is against many people`s emotions.Quote:
Afghanistan is featured well in the history of India from ancient times. One historian wrote that Indra, the general of the Aryans had his force in one of the mountains there. Another said that the Vedas were composed there as well. Afghan Aryans were the purer Aryans according to some.
vEdAs are compositions of Gods and not creations of humans like you and I.Quote:
Another version is that the Vedas were composed in Punjab and recomposed in the Gangetic area.after there was a split between the Aryan groups.
vEda is not any dravidian word, it is derived from the root `vid`, meaning `knowledge` in Samskrith .And `upaniSad` is also a Samskrith word meaning ,taught in a sitting postureQuote:
Vetham is a Tamil word. Upanishad is also a Tamil word – that is these words were from Tamil roots.
How dare you?Quote:
In your username, the first three letters sho means show. The next four letters refer to female genitalia. Then -ka means kaattu = show again. Thus you intend to insult females. You should be prosecuted for insulting the modesty of a woman.
you have no rights to speak ill of my name. Its my name and not like you that i have to use username. Im not scared to use my true name.
You cannot type all this nuisance regarding anyone`s name as this is against the rules of this forum.
firstly, my name is Shoyonika Bhattacharya, a bengali name, much far from your understanding. It means Shoyona means `Lord Vishnu, the sarpa Shoyona and his wife is Shoyonika.
So it is a meaningful name my parents have kept and I never condemned you over your name?
did I ever say that `mala` in Samskrith means faeces or stools?
lastly you born from a woman , how can you condemn a woman?
though im away from her, India is my motherland and I see no meaning in not using my motherlands`flag as my avathar.Quote:
You are using the Indian national flag as your avatar image. There are rules in your country regarding the use of this. You may have violated these rules. This also should be looked into. Becareful!! Do not write brainlesslessly and get yourself tied up in knots. It is not worth. Then you won't be laughing anymore.
How dare you?Quote:
In your username, the first three letters sho means show. The next four letters refer to female genitalia. Then -ka means kaattu = show again. Thus you intend to insult females. You should be prosecuted for insulting the modesty of a woman.
you have no rights to speak ill of my name. Its my name and not like you that i have to use username. Im not scared to use my true name.
You cannot type all this nuisance regarding anyone`s name as this is against the rules of this forum.
firstly, my name is Shoyonika Bhattacharya, a bengali name, much far from your understanding. It means Shoyona means `Lord Vishnu, the sarpa Shoyona and his wife is Shoyonika.
So it is a meaningful name my parents have kept and I never condemned you over your name?
did I ever say that `mala` in Samskrith means faeces or stools?
lastly you born from a woman , how can you condemn a woman?
though im away from her, India is my motherland and I see no meaning in not using my motherlands `flag as my avathar.Quote:
You are using the Indian national flag as your avatar image. There are rules in your country regarding the use of this. You may have violated these rules. This also should be looked into. Becareful!! Do not write brainlesslessly and get yourself tied up in knots. It is not worth. Then you won't be laughing anymore.
you take your own advice and act carefully, if not brainlessly.
I laugh always, and I dont care if you feel insecure about it.
To all hub friends:
This view by thaaththaa is the correct view.Quote:
Tamil-Culture was the most ancient.... as well as the PRIME-CULTURE OF MANKIND.... ever adopted all over the world...
... and the TAMIL LANGUAGE IS THE FIRST LANGUAGE OF MANKIND... ever spoken in comparison to multiplicity of savage-culture and their Audio-symbolic means of communications, UNWORTHY TO BE NAMED AS ANY LANGUAGE...
.. But they were the origins for several Great Classical-Languages like Latin, Greek, Hebrew etc.
By stating so.... neither those foreign Historians nor the Tamilians mean to under-rate other Cultures or Languages of the Global arena... ever in the History of Mankind...
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Amazing similarity in words have been found with Tamil and the Australian aboriginal languages. These relate to animals and parts of the body.
As philologist PavaaNar said, these relationships of other languages may be traced back to many thousands of years. There has been no recent contact between the Tamils and the others such as the Australian aborigines. Hence the remoteness of the linguistic connections.
Sanskrit relationship with Tamil was most recent in the scheme of things and came mainly through religion. Sanskrit-claimed terms such as vEtham and upnishad can be better interpreted through Tamil as we have already done sometime back.
Some Sanskrit etymological explanations are laughable for example Upanishad is said to mean receiving instruction in the sitting position!! Then does veda mean receiving it in the standing position? Hence the Sans pundits' explanation does not click. Veda came from Tamil vEithal (composing or hiding as FSG explained; upnishad from uvaneyavu which means sub-text).
The studies vis-a-vis the aboriginal languages are not due for publication as yet. This pleasure of publishing them should be left to the researchers who are toiling over them and therefore reserved.
Shoyonika,Quote:
Originally Posted by shoyonika
This is the crux of their argument. Baseless argument which is seated in their brains as professed by their Politicians....
They will demean you,your name and the state from which u come from and then say that Their language is the goddess from which all languages came. Carry on with ur good work.
"Laton kein Booth Baathon se nahi mantein"
Best wishes from my side
regards
Indian224080
I guess the moderaotor is not seeing this thread anymore! What is going on here! Directly against the rules
Dear Shayanika(Shoyonika-the Bengali accemt of Shayanika)! Please come out of htese kind of thread! Wise people will not participate in such foolish Tharkas!
Have you ever seen Samskrith scholars, fighting for the supremacy of Samskritham. The have never, for they know, it is useless sepnding valuable time in proving 1+1 = 2.
Instead, if you go deep in to Samskritham and develop you knowldege, it will help you in every way!
Hi Srivatsanvr awesome words buddy
And you participate so what does that mean ?Quote:
Please come out of htese kind of thread! Wise people will not participate in such foolish Tharkas!
Thanks for declaring that those sanskrit fans that participate here by claiming sanskrit supremacy are not scholars.Quote:
Have you ever seen Samskrith scholars, fighting for the supremacy of Samskritham
Absolutely true drink soma and dancing aroung a bon fire is for more happier thing to do !Quote:
Instead, if you go deep in to Samskritham and develop you knowldege, it will help you in every way!
How about crow poaching with lungis mahadevan?
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by srivatsanvr
What do you think you are doing here?! :lol:
These kinds of tricks wont work anymore! :lol:
Upanishad means the inner or mystic teaching. The term Upanishad is derived from upa (near), ni (down) and s(h)ad (to sit), i.e., sitting down near. Groups of pupils sit near the teacher to learn from him the secret doctrine. In the quietude of the forest hermitages the Upanishad thinkers pondered on the problems of deepest concerns and communicated their knowledge to fit pupils near them. Samkara derives the word Upanishad as a substitute from the root sad, 'to loosen.,' 'to reach' or 'to destroy' with Upa and ni as prefixes and kvip as termination. If this determination is accepted, upanishad means brahma-knowledge by which ignorance is loosened or destroyed. The treatises that deal with brahma-knowledge are called the Upanishads and so pass for the Vedanta. The different derivations together make out that the Upanishads give us both spiritual vision and philosophical argument. There is a core of certainty which is essentially incommunicable except by a way of life. It is by a strictly personal effort that one can reach the truth.
The Upanishads more clearly set forth the prime Vedic doctrines like Self-realization, yoga and meditation, karma and reincarnation, which were hidden or kept veiled under the symbols of the older mystery religion. The older Upanishads are usually affixed to a particularly Veda, through a Brahmana or Aranyaka. The more recent ones are not. The Upanishads became prevalent some centuries before the time of Krishna and Buddha.
The main figure in the Upanishads, though not present in many of them, is the sage Yajnavalkya. Most of the great teachings of later Hindu and Buddhist philosophy derive from him. He taught the great doctrine of "neti-neti", the view that truth can be found only through the negation of all thoughts about it. Other important Upanishadic sages are Uddalaka Aruni, Shwetaketu, Shandilya, Aitareya, Pippalada, Sanat Kumara. Many earlier Vedic teachers like Manu, Brihaspati, Ayasya and Narada are also found in the Upanishads.
In the Upanishads the spiritual meanings of the Vedic texts are brought out and emphasized in their own right.
This is all a waste until you wont recognize what is right and what is wrong, because some people laugh without any meaning and such people who laugh without any reason to, are nothing but mads and that too not ordinary but very cunningly mad because they just turn the meaning of a word into a meaningless word according to their stunted brains.
Thank you for the kindness and support. You are right, it is senseless to explain truth as it is very difficult to understand especially to peanut brains. Moreover scholars never needed to uphold the supremacy of Samskrith as it was never low at all. Thanks for the support, it is always welcome.
Samskrith is suitable for Scholarly people and many tamilians also were for Samskrith, but wonder why these people are acting in such a weird fashion?
Yeah, Is that why vacuum head like you come and bs something SO IRRELEVANT to the thread which was intended for discussing, The elderliness of thamizh!????Quote:
Originally Posted by shoyonika
Why has so called elderliness of thamizh is to be proved by bashing another classical language? You mean to say u have no other ways to prove the elderliness of a language? Or may be is it this way that Vaccuum heads like you know to prove?Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger
You can go on start a thread for the classical language and BS, I would say?! :twisted:
You are driving in the left side in America, tiny-brain! :twisted:
Should I have to spell out everything to you????? :twisted: