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how can he satisfy his HC fans? :oops: :cry:
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how can he satisfy his HC fans? :oops: :cry:
Mr. Sanjeevi...
exactly my thoughts...but not pity Raaja...more pity us fans...:-)
i will take NK as work and music for my brain...and Nandhalala close to my heart
Thalaattu keatka naanum...wow...so long time since I heard a song like this...!!!
Onnukkonnu...amazing work...brilliant lyrics...!!!
Definetly some songs for any heart who want something peaceful...!!!
I am feeling like listning to a IR+BM combo...simple and nice...!!!
BTW nandalala album is what I expected from this music man. I mean less orchestration, slow songs, light weight songs
I am so happy and satisfied
Thanks Raaaja :D
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Wov, good comment man :DQuote:
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hahaha...so quick reply...
Sorry havenīt been active in here as all of u:-)...but i have been in here for so many years...!!!
For me IR is what Michael Jackson is for the music world...maybe beyond that!!!
Just bcos Justin Timberlake is getting more popularity or getting more recognizment than Michael Jackson at the moment, is not = that he is better than MJ
Let enjoy IRīs music...for this Nandhalala is for musiclovers heart...!!!
Sanjeevi,
Yes, songs are simple, but after NK I was expecting more. I think IR has problems in the rhythm section right now, NK appeals so much to IR fans because of tabla. Whenever he wants to use other percussion instruments he goes for some cheap synth sounds which are annoying many IR fans like us. Unless he changes his studio and sound engineering crew nothing is going to happen. I can't digest a guy who was a pioneer in recording in the 80s doesn't even care about it for so many years. It is not rocket science, it is very easy to achieve. What is stopping him????
Elilae could have been left as a BGM song or something. It shoulnd't be included in the album. Quite horrible - past 20 seconds, I couldn't take it and deleted the file.
Guys,
The gypsy song was not composed by Raja, that's by Saroja Ammal.
Thaalattu. wonderful to hear a IR solo of this caliber after so long
Kai Veesi absolutely gorgeous.. but then the song ends abruptly.. dont u guys think?
Mella, Onnukonnu and Vaandu kootam fall under the'OK' category IMO
Guys..I dont see anything jarring with rhythm or synths ..yes, they are all synth, but more like sampled sounds..sounds pretty close to real instruments and btw most songs use traditional drums. The songs are gentle, pleasant..probably not intricate melodies..but simple and supposed appeal to the emotion than the intellect..
I love Nandhalala songs, they are great melodies. Its just that it looks like an amateur production. The recording quality and instrument quality is lacking. If this album was titled "Music for your heart", released by some Nungambakkam amateur band called "New Horizons", produced in a local recording studio and sold independently, I would have quickly become a keen fan of "New Horizons". But this has the name "Ilaiyaraaja" on it - he should really start taking these things seriously. If you look at IR songs in early-mid 90s, there were many such "light music"' sounding songs, they will sound much better because of live orcherstra (mainly percussions). (For example, take "Kannaale kaadhal kavithai" from Aathma - imagine how it would sound if recorded the way IR is doing now. )Quote:
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Where/what are you guys listening to ? I am eating pongal/vada on my extended lunch and listening to these songs in Windows Media Player through my Logitech USB headset streaming from sensongs.com and it sounds pretty good.. (I dont think this is related to what I am eating :-) )
Just listened to the songs. wonderful melodies. Completely agree with Kiru, the songs are simple and appeal to emotions. People seem to forget that the story deals with Mother and son and has a strong emotional undercurrent to it. IR delibrately has used what we call minimalist music and focused on creating a gentle emotional appeal to the songs. Ananth was asking why it could not be grander but that would be totally against the basic theme of the movie. Here the aim was not to create any specific mood as compared to NK where there was a need to create a specific mood to go with the theme of the movie and hence a more grander/high energy orchestration for couple of songs. Even then the Kei Veesi song is very catchy and breezy but still the rhythm does not get overdone and there is still that lightness to the song which is maintained throughout the album. Lovely stuff.
Also on the recording quality i only listened online and did not find anything that was very obvious or jarring and prevented me from enjoying the songs. I am sure the CD quality will not be worse than this. I think people should come out of the obsession with sounds and enjjoy the songs. I guess when one is used to hearing ARR and YSR /HJ recorded songs one tends to focus on sounds more and less on actual song quality itself. Ofcourse i would agree if the sound quality is bringing down the listening experience which is not the case here atleast in my opinion. And i am surprised that people expect something without bothering about the theme of the movie.
on the whole brilliant songs which should fit the movie theme perfectly. Excellent start to 09 for IR with two high quality albums.
ok, lets be more particular.
"Onnukkonnu" is the pick of the album IMO - great intro, great ambience, great singing by KJY. The problem? Percussion loop - with the great intro, the percussion could have had subtle changes to keep it interesting. The worst is when it simply extends into the first interlude - this is where IR used to rock before, changing the rhythm/percussion during the interlude and setting up the charanam. Instead, the same loop is extended, and changes abruptly for charanam - its neither here nor there. Second interlude is lot better.
"Mella oorndhu" also has a great intro, first interlude also ok. in charanam, "mudhal murai pogum..." part has an annoying 80s computer video game music kind of thing going in the background. IR used to fill in with great classical guitar arpeggios in places like that. second interlude also has that cheap casio keyboard quality.
"Thaalaattu ketka" also has a promising intro, first interlude is also great. but the percussion is so weak throughout the song.
"kai veesi" - is the kind of song where the bass alone could have carried it, but the bass sounds so electronic and low. This song is more energetic than the others, so atleast this could have used some more powerful instruments.
"Oru vaandu koottame" - imagine if the first interlude used instruments like old IR (no need to change a single note)! gives that "cheap imitation of IR" effect...
Again, its a great album, no doubt. It already sounds better once I got used to the sounds. If NK was not released, I'd be raving about Nandhalala. But after NK, it gives that apprehensive feeling that IR is going back to his synth unnecessarily. If you take a song like "Mandira punnagaiyo" - simple song (to appeal to the heart and not the mind, as someone nicely put) - nothing grand, but real flute, real violins, real bass, real percussions make it sound so good. First interlude is to die for!
Anyway, enough nitpicking. I'm going to shut up and enjoy the two great albums in 2009 from IR.
I think rprasad and kiru have said it all. The orchestration of this album really pushes the film and also gives us a listening extravaganza. The Technical aspects of the songs are also amazing. Especially the guitar in the melle oorndhu and the weird celtic like instrument in the second interlude of oru vaandu koottame. Kai veesi's prelude is out of the world.
With the exception of elilea which is not composed by raja all of them are excellent. I wonder what songs you guys are listening to as i dunt find a problem with the recording quality or the orchestration. For people who expect the orchestration to be as grand like rakkama kaiya thatthu or the strings in butterfly are out of your mind.
Just like how Naan kadavul songs are composed according to the film's demands so is nandhalala. Isn't the movie supposed to be a journey to find his mother together with a stranger? The songs seem to convey that exactly and also give us ecstasy.
Hulkster - u r bang on! the music for NK and NL are customised to suit the different themes of the respective films
once again I reiterate, IR has given NL the attention he usually gives to his Malayalam projects in recent times! there is no compromise in melody! and soothing!
My thoughts:
1) Mella oorndhu: Nice guitar/piano like prelude and nice tune (especially the pallavi). Nice rendition by IR, but I would certainly prefer a different voice.
2) Onnukonnu: Again nice prelude with nice/pleasant flute passages through out the song. Nice tune, but I would have preferred more natural instruments..
3) Elileo: For record sake, first gypsy song in a music album, otherwise I dont find anything interesting in this song. Will fit the BGM though.
4) Thalaattu: 80's styled tune with light and nice violin/flute bits. No doubt he has sung with right emotions, but again I prefer a different singer.
5) Kai Veesi: Some different orchestration and liked the charanam portion. Pallavi tune starts like a Yuvan tune!
6) Oru Vaandu: I think I hear Bhava's voice too. It should have been promoted as a song sung by "three generations" :). Anyways, decent tune, but I did not like the orchestration much.
Mostly all are situational songs. My picks are 1 and 2.
Eager to listen to the BGM.
thanks,
Krishnan
A very good album !
But IR is unlucky as always.
Whenever he comes with brilliant album in Tamil, the director will be ready with scissors to cut off the song from the film and make the extraordinary work go unnoticed..
Myskkin this time is the villain.. :(
Who can forgive Fazil for cutting off "Mella thira.." from ONOK ........Good example of how IR's brilliance went unnoticed..
"kai veesi..."
Vow ! Where were you Raja till now ??
Hope Myskkin did not abort this song from the film..
Elilea gypsy song - :) :)
yaaruppaa..adhu..indha song "kathaazha.." songai beat pannum-nu hype uttadhu ?! valila thudikkira maadhiri irukku paattu :D
Rantings of a modern day fan.
Hey guys,
You guys heard songs of this movie called 'Nandala'? I just heard the songs. What a waste of ime. Illayaraja has scored the music for this. Don't you guys find this man very old fashioned? I mean, he actually tunes keeping the story of the movie in mind it seems!!! What nonsense !! Who cares for the movie? Who wants to see a movie? We want to just listen to an album and here is one person trying to integrate the songs into the story of the movie. How dare he? Doesn't he know that the current trend is not to bother about the movie at all and give us some 'cool', 'trendy' and 'hip' sounds so that we can compare these sounds with what was done earlier by 'Red Llyod' or 'Jack Michelson' or 'Caterpillers'. Why does he do this to his fans? Why can't he give some sounds wherein his fans can claim that this an amazing amalgamation of 'bip-bop', 'street-hop', 'kangaroo ho' and 'Sumerian music' while still sounding very Indian? So what if the sounds are sampled? You mean you don't want to get inspired? There is nothing wrong in getting inspired. Where are the funky rhythms? You don't know where you can buy them? What? You know where to buy but you still don't use it? I can't believe this. Why is there no 'trance inducing', 'dance inducing', 'physic experience inducing' number in this album. No scope for it in the movie?!!! Are you guys mad? What has the movie's scope got to do with music? All you fans can come up is that the music 'touches your heart'. That's it ??!! Don't you know that you need to use cool sounds so that everyone concerned hears the one sound they love. The ringing of cash registers.
And all you have to offer is 'music that touches the heart' !! What an old fashioned idea. Can't believe such people exist in this era. Thanks God that we have so many other great music directors now who do not believe in such trash and give us some many lovely item numbers.
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What nonsense !! Who cares for the movie? Who wants to see a movie? We want to just listen to an album and here is one person trying to integrate the songs into the story of the movie
This guy is certainly not an IR fan or one who has any idea what IR is about . Should be a just born :)
Just not to confuse people, the title should have been 'Imaginary Rantings of a modern day fan' :)
S.Suresh
I agree with all of you guys
his 90s songs are way ahead of Nandalala songs in terms of recording quality of downloaded version (yet to buy the CD).
The only song which is annoying is 'Oru Vandu Koottaame' though it has nice chorus. I think he tried to go back to Anjali days but he could not :sad:
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Have there been better emotional songs than "Onnukkonnu" or "Oru Kaatril (NK)" in the recent TFM past?
A fundamental problem in these iPod times is that the ear is tuned to observe and indeed revel in the minutest rhythm arrangements, so much so that the 'song as a whole' is stripped down to its 'funky sounds' basics. I won't deride such a listening preference as it is in keeping with the evolution of taste, and perhaps even aural aesthetics to be specific. If you listen to say a "Pani vizhum malarvanam" today, you may perhaps doff your hat at a composer who made giga leaps in time in song after song, week after week in the days when he was churning out 2 movie soundtracks on any given Friday.
Today's Raaja has now transcended to a plane that looks at a movie in totality, forget individual song placements, with an almost patronising disregard for production values and the commercial importance of 'the album'. Imagine a landmark album like "Hey Raam" not being released. If you recall "Guna" or "Mahanadhi", you will understand kindred souls that Kamal and IR were, they had gone past the need of an album to pull people into the cinema they were creating with a honest sense of purpose. It is a defining tragedy of our times that none of these films worked in our commercial ambit. Now, after so many years, when a Poo or a Subramaniapuram raise flickers of hope, Kamal has turned his gaze towards the lure of the Oscar or his one-upmanship with the Shankars and Maniratnams.
Watching Myskkin's interview yesterday provided glimpses of how IR's working is way different from any Indian composer who values every album, remember not the film, as his calling card to the next grade of commercial success. For someone who watches the movie and then decides to get 4 players from the Budapest orchestra to work on the RR, would it have been that difficult to incorporate 'fancy, new, exciting' sounds drawn from Celtic or Samba influences into the songs themselves? Myskkin says that the Oboe travels through the film as a companion to the 2 lead characters. When he remarks that IR's comment after seeing the film was "nagareegamana padam", you are able to relate the songs to that comment. Simple, almost barely adorned tunes that are focussed on emotional content. This is decent music aligned to the needs of the film, that bows to the director's craft. If you want to see the real Raaja unleashed, listen to the film's BGM in a silent theatre. You may then understand that IR now sees himself as an integral part of the crew just as the cameraman, editor and the director, and this is the arena where his competitive juices flow and whatever he does, underplay or overpower, you can sense his absolute involvement in the films he likes in the way his music moves and enriches the movie.
On a different note, anyone who has read Jeyamohan's dark and melancholic "Ezham Ulagam" which is supposedly the base for Naan Kadavul, may perhaps be able to appreciate the music better. I bet it will be a very difficult watching experience for many, for the realities it showcases can shock, depress and even repel.
I would request some of the friends here to listen to an album like NK or Nandalala in a different context. Certainly, coming after a Vaaranam Aayiram or a Yuvraaj in your iPod playlist, does a great disservice to Raaja's music in these films. And I also wonder if listening to an original CD may temper your criticism of the technical/production values, as opposed to low-quality rips from web pirates?
As someone dyed in the nostalgic hues of Raaja's 70-80s music, I too yearn for those melodic times, but have learnt to listen to IR's music of today in its current context, understanding the demands of the film and also the creativity still residual in a man who has perhaps produced the most hours of original music than any living artist, and often times for undeserving films and situations banal and insensitive enough to break down any creative soul.
So I thank Raaja for these small mercies as in NK and Nandalala, and more importantly, Bala and Myskkin for drawing out that something extra from him.
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Hi Suresh,
An excellent post. You have articulated your views very well. I fully agree with your views. Not only in TFM, even in Hindi Film Music I haven't heard such emotional songs in the recent past.
My problem is the reverse. When I hear Naan Kadavul or Nanadala songs, I can't think of hearing Vaaranam Ayiram or Yuvvraj songs !!
I saw the interview as well and yes, I too felt that the music of Nandalala was in keeping with what Illayaraja felt about the movie.
S.Suresh
It should be 'Konjam Thira' :D which is one of my most fav. songQuote:
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"Mella oorndhu oorndhu" takes me the charanam part of 'Time's "Niram pirithu paarthen". ( "oviyathil endha kodu engu sendru mudiyum, munnaale munaale yaar kooruvaar")
IMHO, the album would have been much better, if Mysskin had extracted songs from Raja rather than sitting in front of him with hands folded and leaving the genius to give tunes. This is what Cheran does. On the other hand, Bala is adamant and extracts the best from Raja and he is the only one who has got the guts to reject Raja's tune and ask for an alternative.
More than the other songs, I love Katril Varum - :bow: IR :clap:Quote:
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Of course, khajira ho kanavile - :thumbsup:
After Listening 3 Songs(1.Mella oorndhu 2. Onnukkonu -3. Thalaattu kEtka nAnum ) once from nandhalala I felt it is like "Parangimalai(Nandhalala)" comparing with"Imayamalai(Naan Kadavul)".
but this is a Malai too. Opinion may change after listening more no of times
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viraajan, i love 'Konjam thira' morethan other songs in ONOK including the famous 'katril varum keethamae'
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"Mella oorndhu oorndhu" takes me the charanam part of 'Time's "Niram pirithu paarthen". ( "oviyathil endha kodu engu sendru mudiyum, munnaale munaale yaar kooruvaar")
Sanjeevi, it was a typo.it is "konjam thira"
Between NK and NL, NK scores high. Thats close to my heart too.
NK songs are like "pain that causes pleasure". (I don't know if i'm writing it right. Pls correct if am wrong :) )
Manadhukku Idhamaana soga geethangal...
Ok. it seems IR has brought NK Vs Nandhalala debate among his fans. Proves that he is king :)
Brilliant lyrics in that Nari Kuravar song... Aana onnume puriyala... :lol:
The other director who could extract good music and reject his tune was Mahendran.
Infact Ilaiyaraja himself has told in one of his interviews that directors should confidently come forward and say that they need better song tune than this one for the situation and well before actual recording of the songs and not later.
viraajan,
The songs are in keeping with the director's vision. Bala's movies have generally been 'in-your-face' and hard hitting. So the lyrics and the music have similar approach. In case of Nandalala, the director is trying to make an extremely sensitive and subtle film (gathered from his interview). My guess is he will underplay the emotions. Raja's music is in keeping with that requirement.
As far as I am concerned, I am enjoying both in equal measure.
S.Suresh
I will tell something..
My fellow IR fans should not pounce on me..ok..?
In "Onnukkonnu.." song, I could remember ARR style in few places, like the way flute accompanies KJY in charanam and the way charanam ends etc..Did anyone notice this ? :)