With Dasavatharam - Kamal the actor has taken a sledge hammer and has dashed Kamal the creator.
Waiting for both of them to return to senses and get down to the basement level and see what the world is like actually.
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With Dasavatharam - Kamal the actor has taken a sledge hammer and has dashed Kamal the creator.
Waiting for both of them to return to senses and get down to the basement level and see what the world is like actually.
actually he was at the basement and seen what the world is like actually in films like anbe sivam ...thats why->dasavatharam!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Vicky,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Leave it. Avar Devar Magan padathulEyE 1000 kuRai kandupidithavar. Poor Kamal cannot match his expectations.
roshan,
when other stars give films just for entertainment...eveybody accepts.
when kamal gives a movie just for entertainment.
:huh:
Vicky,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Do you remember the famous thiruviLaiyaadaL dialogue of Nagesh - 'kutram kandupiditthE pEr vaangum pulavargaL..." ? ;)
anyway....kamal directs marmayogi!
they could expect the creator and actor there reaching differnt heights! :D
adhula entertainment-E illainbaainga paaru maapi :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
illai villain saar.
naanga appdiyellam solla mattom.
Billa padathule ajith podara maadhiri karuppu mookukannaadi yaen 12th century Kamal character podalainnu kovichukuvom!! :lol: :lol:
I too hope for Marma yogi .
Roshan madam 200 crore budget kudukkanuma Kamalukku?
Kodukkalaam - aanaal padam edukkanam - mask vaangiye selavazhikka koodadhunnu oru pathirathula kaiyezhuthu vaangittu kudukkalaam.
aaan....soltaaruba warner bros CEO ..... :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Hub la edhukeduthaalum Ajith-a izhukrathe vElai-a poirchu sila perku.. yov, solrathuku karuthu illaina dappi-ya saathitu poganum...ok ya annatha :twisted:
Ok saar. neenga solrabadiye seyyarom.
"Kamal - The Creator" has got a loooooooong way to catch up with "Kamal - The Actor"! The difference between the two is pretty simple: "Kamal - The Actor" is a genius! 8-) "Kamal - The Creator" is work in progress. :)
As an Aandavar fan, I would prefer him to act in movies directed by promising directors like Ameer or Cheran or Bala. I wish Aandavar leaves the burden of writing/directing to the "experts" and focus just full time on acting! After all, watching Aandavar act is like watching a genius a work! 8-)
villain, please edit your last post.
avar dhaanga expert ! Hey ! Ram ezhuthurathukku aaL vENum.(Dasa ellAm oru aberration.) We will get interesting actors - but it is impossible to get writers like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Jaiganes, MY is a home production and he is directing it. Both such ventures in the past have resulted in interesting films.
:yes: KH as a writer is terrific! I have never seen scripts like Heyram and Virumandi in TF from anyone else. Just pick any scene from these movie, and follow the aftermath... you will run through the entire movie. Oru scene'a edutha sangili kotha madhiri ella scene'um adha follow pannum.. that is cohesiveness :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
To an extent the same cohesiveness is present in 10A, but the reasons are different :cry:
I think we will be waiting for ever if he churns out movies for other banners and that too in multi-lingual. I believe a tamil movie by his home production will bring him back some sense, otherwise :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
I agree that movies like Hey Ram, Guna, Mahandhi are all class acts in terms of screen-play... But is that enough to say that he is the BEST writer? If Aandavar is a great wrtier/creator I would like him focus 100% on wrting/directing and make a movie with some other hero... Can Aandavar write/direct a movie just about kids like Anjali? Can Aandavar make sensitive love stories like Moondram Pirai or Idhayathai Thirudathey? Can Aandavar make a emotionally draining movie like "Udhiri Pookal" or "Mullum Malarum"? I'm not saying he can't... But unless he can handle such varied scripts/genre (without acting himself) but with some other artistes -it is unfair to say that he is the best writer, IMHO :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Movie Cop, to the questions you raised the answers will have to come when Kamal gets into writing/direction full-time :-)
And given the mindblowing ones he has written thus far - which IMO justify my claim that he is the best we have ever had - there is sufficient promise that he can work across genres. I look forward to him taking up the role seriously, it's already quite late.
But I dont think KH shud write dialogues, atleast not without a co-writer. As a dialogue writer he has been inconsistent.. some dialogues in Dasa were witty and intelligent, some too intelligent for the sake of the scenes and some were ordinary. MX was the same, the writer at times becomes too visible in the dialogues, things that he tries and acheives or misses intrudes with movie watching experience.
hey raamla ethana mask paatheenga?...virumaandila ethana mask paatheenga?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
movie cop....Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
u have mentioned balumahendra,maniratnam,mahendrans movies!..
i also can ask
can mahendran write hey raam
maniratnam write mahanadhi
balumahendra write virumandi...
everybody has got their own style!
u ask emotionally drainING movies from kamalhhasan!
i dont think any movie MENTIONED BY YOU is as emotionally drained as "MAHANADHI"!
he has written for devar magan,kurudhipunal,mahanadhi,cirumaandi,hey raam for ur info! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
both are home productions of Kamal ... Am i right ? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Over indulgence of kamal the Actor into his movies is killing the creator slowly and nowthat after DasA I can witness The creator is Drowning for sure I've lost all hopes that the creator will be rescued atll.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Only kamal the Rationalist can revive that hope :x
Exactly!! You don't have to make a full fledged love story to show that you are good at it (BTW, Raja Paarvai is conveniently forgotten). Few directors can better the pain and love expressed by Mythili and Saket in HR in the scene where they are waiting outside Abhyankar's room, even with a full length film. It is just a matter of what he wants to make. Feature length love stories probably don't interest him now. Adhukkaga nethipottula thuppaki vechu love story ezhudhunna solla mudiyum!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
eppadinga intha paruthiveeran la aen british rule, kutravel mothakondu illaatha logic ellam vanthu miga periya story aanathey athu maariya :lol: :lol: atha neenga panninaalae pothumga... cooling glass ellam kadaiyila kedaikirathu... british aatchikku poganumnnu avasiyam illa :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Kamal as a creator - puts in a lot of written word. Lot is focussed on the next dialogue - too much talk. This can sometimes take action away from action films, mood away from serious films. Not every action of character needs to be spelt out - choked out and blurted. Leaving things unsaid is offcourse where the director comes in. The pity is that the directors whom he ghost directs dont have the guts or skill to override Kamal's written word for a scene and present it in their own way. When Kamal himself directs his films - he needs to watch out for this aspect - would do him a lot of good if he has some sensible guidance who can voice opinions freely - free of bias, adulation and awe on the set and during the filming. Directors like Surressh Krishna may not be cinematic geniuses, but when it comes to creating a scene and watching out and visualizing the scene , its impact - have their own grounded sensibilities that can be used instead of being ignored.
It is not as if Kamal never gets this thing right - remember the scene he created in Aboorva sagodharargal - the graphics of kamal's sketch drawig and Janagaraj's reaction before the 'annathe' song. He needs to regain it and I hope he will only with some support from independently thinking collaborators.
It is good to be a 'one man' army, however cinema is not the business for such people. Also I feel he has taken the step into direction much later in his life. The right time was in the 1990s when he was churning out Gunas , Thevar Magans and Mahanadhis. Post 2000 the tastes of audience has also been corrupted by too much of junk movies by everyone else and Kamal has been forced into acting in some junk movies to finance the creator on the next and the whole process has indeed taken a toll of hi juices as clearly seen in Dasa. Offcourse I can be this armchair critic and keep typing all day - much of this is just a lament while Kamal fans have field day punching and ridiculing every counter opinion perfectly aping Vijay fans or Rajini fans or simbu fans or the hub's fave - ajith fans. EOD they are fans while I am not and my opinions however stupid are independant.
oh yeah.. and the dialogues in the movies that you mentioned worked perfectly. Perhaps the intensity of his dialogues were perfect for the serious nature of these films. Hey ram is once again the ultimate :thumbsup: (like there is any other department in which the film didnt excel). But when he writes for a film like 10A or MX, he writes quite witty lines and while we are in that elevated appreciation, then comes some lame dialogues perhaps to please all sections. But we end up thinking, oh... this is to please others... oh.. this is KH himself at his best.. etc., I don't know how to put it, but it interfered with the movie watching experience for me, KH the creator was too visible and I expend too much effort to guess his intention. I feel that smoothness is lacking :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
But I myself am feeling ashamed... Kamal ivlo pannadhuku appramum avar work'la nottu kandu pidikradhu romba over thaan. I cant resist comparing with sivaji, where eventhough the whole movie was a bit of letdown, everybody were on the money to mention that Rajni did his part, no complaints, only the director is there to blame. He emerged unscathed like always. But even when nammavar takes so much effort, excels in so many departments and even after the film met the expectations better than what Sivaji managed, finger is being pointed at him, every minor flaw discussed to the core, people think out of their skin to identify what is wrong with the film, I just dont see the point.
Those who couldnt appreciate his earlier perfect films have no rights to complain abt these little imperfections. But even I'm finding flaws with 10A, but I think as a fan I'm excused :P :ashamed:
This comparison with Rajini is a nondi kudhirai saakku.Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Rajini does not put "Story Screen play direction " in titles. Rajini doesn't tell Camera man how to light up the scene. Rajini doesn't come to the first day of the shoot and says 'packup to the director'.
So Rajini is not responsible for anything else except his own style, mannerisms and to an extent his performance. I guess you will understand that.
With big powers come big responsibilities says a dialogue in Chpiderman.
I guess it applies to Kamal. He assumes big powers over his projects and finally director says the film is all about kamal and it also means - if you did not like something in the movie - it is also kamal's share.
First things first...Kamal has astouned and made many a people think what they are doing with his quality story, screenplay, direction, and ofcourse acting.
More than the Creator or Actor its his Passion for quality Cinema and Intelligence that shows. When every actor does some crap stuff at 50 (running around the trees with a 16 year old, wearing misfit clothes ( -deleted-), he makes sure he creates a platform for himself everytime.
Its good to see such bashing criticism for DASA. This clearly proves the so called CRITICS themselves arent intelligent. Kamal's movies are like Rahman's songs... The deeper you watch the more you explore. For the layman it might be a short story...for those who watch it with passion its an epic.
Hope Kamal directs Rajini and makes a strong movie that can go international cutting across language and caste barriers.
1. It's independentQuote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
2. Enna oru condescension :notworthy:
Well said! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Dear Friends,
I have posted a speech by the late thespian Dr.Sivaji Ganesan at a function held on 10th July 2000, which I helped organise thought you will like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUAmXbw0BRY
Todays dasavatharam hero Sri.Kamalhaasan too spoke in that function and I suggest you watch this FIRST as it is referred to by Nadigar thilakam when he spoke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9N3-4GTaM
regards
Mohan Raman
I am a regular in the Nadigar Thilakam string, I read it I mean.Thought My good friend Shri Kamal's fans may want to see this speech as it has not come on ANY TV etc. All the best.