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Dear Pradheep,Quote:
Originally Posted by pradheep
illai sir, Shivam is suppose to formless, it 's just for us mundane ppl, Shivam has been narrated like jada-mudi, snake on his neck so that we can concentrate on an entity and meditate upon that, meditating on formless shivam is virtualy impossible, would you agree:D
Dear aghu
Thanks you made it clear. Now comming back to moksha......do you agree moksha means freedom, liberation.....If then what is bound? ...also is there a physical binding?. Is ama bound?
I think these discussion will lead us to understand everything clear.
dear pradheepQuote:
Originally Posted by pradheep
Moksha alias Mukti , does mean libertaion with Paramatama or Iswar and freedom from these perishable bodies, the only bounding is that , Atma must free it self from maya(illusion), such as one must accept & understand that, the body in which the Atma resides, the cosmic world or loga it lives in and it's functions/aspects are all nothing but Maya, atma must understand it carries it's Karma(Results of it's activities) be it dharma or adharma along in the vicious cycle of birth, old age, diseases and death, but it is just changing from body to body, just like we change clothes, the body it takes depends on the atma's karma in it's previous life, and this vicious cycly continues in an infinte loop till the atma attains Mukti / Moksha, this is down by Self Realisation(one you have fully realised it, one would give up everything in this mundane life and just meditate on iswar, Rishis and Munivars are prime example of such life) and Bhakthi to Iswar
But as long as the Atma indulges it self in Tama (modes of Ignorance and passion for this cosmic world) one CAN NOT ATTAIN MUKTHI / MOKSHA
Am I right Pradheep? :D
Dear Raghu
Yes, you summarized it very well. But from what you wrote isnt it obvious that it is an understanding (Gnana) and meditation, bhakthi or yoga are all means to get that understanding. So it is understanding (Gnana) that brings forth Moksha. Am I right Raghu?
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Originally Posted by pradheep
Dear Pradheep
Yes it is :D
Dear Raghu
Good since we are clear about the fundamental aspect, we can get back to MBH and see how we can reflect that in our lives. In Gita third chapter, krishna says strong likes and dislikes blocks the mind set to receive Gnana. Dont we see this in MBH main character Dhristarashtra?. What are your comments?
Dear PradheepQuote:
Originally Posted by pradheep
Ok, take your Character, I would take up Karna and let's discuss :D
Dear Raghu
You are very knowledgeable in MBH and so we would go with Karna for our discussions.
what do you think about Artha, kama, Dharma and Moksha of karna?. Please share with us how his life goes through these four aspects of life?.
illa Sir katrathu kai alavu kalaathathu ulahalavu :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pradheep
sorry but what is Artha :? , and did you mean karma instead of kaama, as they are two different things? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by pradheep
Dear Raghu
I hope you remember in onepostI discussed artha, kama , dharma and moksha.....all human intiailly pursue artha...the basic needs of food clothing and shelter and then they make a choicein that basedon their likes and dislikes (kama) and if hasan enquiry mind will perform actions of good, righteousness (dharma) and through that they transcend to moksha.
How do you think Karna's life goes this pattern?