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27th June 2006, 03:19 PM
dsath

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Originally Posted by pizzalot

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Originally Posted by Surya

Dsath,
An act of Communalism is an act of Communalism. An act of Violence is and Act of Violence right?

Regardless of who it is perpetrated by.

I had asked, why is it that the media always tries to belittle the fundamentalism perpetrated by the muslims, but magnify the fundamentalism perpetrated by the hindus.

There is no "fundamentalism of minorities" in the world. It should be described as "pride" or "self-respect" if at all any.

I am afraid, i can’t agree with Surya's and Pizzalot's points on this one.

Surya, Media in general condemned the killings. Name one publication or channel which did not condemn the killings. It was an outrage, but what followed was even more outrageous and duly condemned by the media and everyone else.
In the initial attack, there were a few people of a particular community involved. They planned and executed the deplorable act. The other members in their community were not involved and so cannot be blamed.
But in what followed, even though only a few big heads planned, a large number executed it. A much larger number was involved and many more were affected. Its the proportion. And its unfair unduly blaming the Indian media.

Again all these incidents are baits to divide us further. For heavens sake can't any one see this? Please don't take it. Long term security lies in resisting the bait and building a strong society based on mutual trust.

Pizza, minority or majority fundamentalism is just that period.

Can some one please explain me what pseudo secularism means?
27th June 2006, 03:47 PM
kannannn

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Originally Posted by Surya

Right! Muslims are scared...not sure if their kids will return home safely or not...thus things like Godhra and Opposing Ram Mandir in AYODHYA, Bombs in Kovai, occur so often! Good LOGIC!! :roll:

You have got your chronology all wrong. The Ram Mandir movement was the first illegal, extremist, mass religious movement in independent India. That's what started it all. Do you mean to say the muslims should have given up their place of worship and lived peacefully with Hindutvadis? What LOGIC is this?I don't support the Kovai bombings but look at what the catalyst was. Advani toured the entire nation and prodded hindus to support the demolition of a mosque. All along the route of his yatra communal tensions ran high. How do you expect the minorities to feel safe in such a scenario? And it doesn't stop at this. Varnasi and Mathura are still on the agenda. Who knows what other mosques will come up for demolition later?! Still you want the muslims to feel safe!!

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Originally Posted by Surya

Don't base everyhting on TN...The number of members joining the RSS is increasing in Karnataka and Andra Pradesh.

Yes, maybe they can also learn a bit of history - that one of the founders of Hindutva, Savarkar wrote a letter of apology to the British to escape doing time in Andaman prison.
27th June 2006, 03:53 PM
Nakeeran

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Originally Posted by dsath

Can some one please explain me what pseudo secularism means?

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YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE ?

WHAT CONGRESS HAD BEEN DOING ALL THESE YEARS IS PSEUDO SECULARISM
27th June 2006, 04:12 PM
dsath

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Originally Posted by Nakeeran

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Originally Posted by dsath

Can some one please explain me what pseudo secularism means?

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YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE ?

WHAT CONGRESS HAD BEEN DOING ALL THESE YEARS IS PSEUDO SECULARISM

Thanks Nakeeran but, i don't want an example, just an explanation of the term. Its being used everywhere now, but many people including me fail to understand the real or implied meaning.
27th June 2006, 04:26 PM
alwarpet_andavan

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Originally Posted by Surya

The US's policy on such things, completly contradicts his ideas!

Here, one WILL be punishied for any sort of Communalism, regardless of the fact if he is a minority or not! He will be punished by the judicial system, as well as the Media. Now that is a Democracy! Not letting someone off the hook for murder because they are a MINORITY and putting the Spotlight of Hate on someone else, just because they are the Majority!

Please do not Compare the US with the Pathetic, Nutless Minorty Appeasing Situation in India! :lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
27th June 2006, 04:46 PM
Nakeeran

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Originally Posted by dsath

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Originally Posted by Nakeeran

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Originally Posted by dsath

Can some one please explain me what pseudo secularism means?

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YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE ?

WHAT CONGRESS HAD BEEN DOING ALL THESE YEARS IS PSEUDO SECULARISM

Thanks Nakeeran but, i don't want an example, just an explanation of the term. Its being used everywhere now, but many people including me fail to understand the real or implied meaning.

Ok fine.

Secularism is a word infact which is integral of our Constitution ! This is one of the main theme based on which our new India was built . Jawaharlal Nehru ( and ofcourse Congress ) was instrumental in making it a part of our constitution.

TO GIVE EQUAL RESPECT / TREATMENT TO ALL RELIGIONS is what one mean by Secularism. In other words, those who rule the State & also the Courts should not show any bias or prejudice towards any particular religion but treat all as one entity

Now Pseudo secularism -

There are some political parties who belong to a particular religion but just for vote catching, they give a camaflouged look to the minorities to give an impression that they are the ones who take care of them
These guys belong to the Pseudo secularistic group.
IMO, Congress perfectly fits into the definition of Psedo secularists.

The reason being that BJP is very clear about their intention. They openly declare that this is a Hindu country and other religions should recognise this fact and live accordingly. At the same time, the party doesnt antaganise other religions.

The reverse is what Congress had been doing all these years.
Under the pretext of following this, just to appease the minorities, SHOW as if they are very supportive and sympathetic towards them while THEY WILL BE BELONGING TO THE OPPOSITE RELIGION WHICH THE MINORITIES GENERALLY DONT JELL WITH
27th June 2006, 06:00 PM
dsath

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Originally Posted by Nakeeran

The reason being that BJP is very clear about their intention. They openly declare that this is a Hindu country and other religions should recognise this fact and live accordingly. At the same time, the party doesnt antaganise other religions.

Talk about contradiction!!!!!!! :lol:
28th June 2006, 03:36 AM
Surya

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Originally Posted by Kannan

You have got your chronology all wrong. The Ram Mandir movement was the first illegal, extremist, mass religious movement in independent India. That's what started it all. Do you mean to say the muslims should have given up their place of worship and lived peacefully with Hindutvadis? What LOGIC is this?I don't support the Kovai bombings but look at what the catalyst was. Advani toured the entire nation and prodded hindus to support the demolition of a mosque. All along the route of his yatra communal tensions ran high. How do you expect the minorities to feel safe in such a scenario? And it doesn't stop at this. Varnasi and Mathura are still on the agenda. Who knows what other mosques will come up for demolition later?! Still you want the muslims to feel safe!!

First of all: It has been proved that a Ram Mandir Existed there before it was demolished by the muslims. Babri Masjid is a place where an organized prayer meeting hadn't taken place for years. In Islamic Culture itself it is said that if a Mosque isn't wordhipped in for more than 7 months then it looses it's sanctity. Taking these things into Consideration, the Govt should have take the right decision. The Govt didn't, which forced us to do what we did. I don't see it as extreamism.

If they had just stepped back, there wouldn't be a reason for them to be scared. It was a Mosque which even the Local Muslims weren't using anyway. But it stood over a place that had DEEP SENTIMENTAL value to Hindus.

What else is on the list?

Any Mosque that was built on top of a Previously Demolished (because of religious Extremism) Hindu Temple. What number does that sum out to be BTW?

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Yes, maybe they can also learn a bit of history - that one of the founders of Hindutva, Savarkar wrote a letter of apology to the British to escape doing time in Andaman prison.

Regardless of what he did, his ideologies still make sense, and are applicable to todays India. It's his ideas that are being tought in the RSS Shakas, it is his ideologies that attract the youth into the RSS even Today.

Dsath,
Asking people to know their role isn't antagonizing them...but anywayz, u wanted an example of Psuedo Secularism....

DMK:

*Sanskrit Mantras Must Not Be Used In Hindu Temples!!!! This Is Tamil Nadu, And People Should Only Use Tamil Mantras, Regardless Of What Importance Sanskrit Has In The Religion!!! ARRRGH!!!!

I wonder where Mr. KK got the Idea that the Islamic Prayer things that flow out of the Loudspeaker are Tamil...:roll: Why not tell muslims that Only Tamil Islamic Religious Songs should be used in Tamil Nadu? This is an example of Psuedo Secularism....Which basically means A rule for the Majourity, and another Rule for the minorty (Favoring It).
28th June 2006, 04:59 AM
Eelavar

Pizzalot..

What is this human superiority complex on you ??

Rama is an animal like us, what is the problem with that ?
Are you not animal or have you shame to be animal ??

Firstly look your nature before critizing Rama.
Why you the Hindu don't understand Rama's myth ?

Very very strange, i'm asking if you are really Hindu as you pretend...

Yes Tamils are minority in Sri lanka, but what's the matter with this thread ??

I cannot understand you. :roll:
In fact , what is the rubbish you said about the minority/majority and genocide ??

I cannot follow you a sec.. Sorry, but as i said before majority could too be the victim of a genocide if they are too much peacful and non-violent..... IT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE HINDUS I'M TALKING ABOUT.
28th June 2006, 05:15 AM
kannannn

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Originally Posted by Surya

First of all: It has been proved that a Ram Mandir Existed there before it was demolished by the muslims. Babri Masjid is a place where an organized prayer meeting hadn't taken place for years. In Islamic Culture itself it is said that if a Mosque isn't wordhipped in for more than 7 months then it looses it's sanctity. Taking these things into Consideration, the Govt should have take the right decision. The Govt didn't, which forced us to do what we did. I don't see it as extreamism.

There is no conclusive evidence that a temple existed in the place of the Masjid. The conclusions one can arrive at from ASI's report is only that a structure stood in that place. The place might have been a part of Muslim hamlet for all we know and the previous structure an ordinary house. And when they don't agree to give away their mosque, why force them?

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Originally Posted by Surya

If they had just stepped back, there wouldn't be a reason for them to be scared. It was a Mosque which even the Local Muslims weren't using anyway. But it stood over a place that had DEEP SENTIMENTAL value to Hindus.

What else is on the list?

Any Mosque that was built on top of a Previously Demolished (because of religious Extremism) Hindu Temple. What number does that sum out to be BTW?.

There! Do you mean to say, they have to live as second class citizens, submitting to the whims and fancies of Hindutvadis, who come up with a new mosque for destruction everyday? How can you expect them to feel safe in such an environment? Is this not religious extremism? Can Native Indians go about destroying buildings in USA because they were the original inhabitants of the place?

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Originally Posted by Surya

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Yes, maybe they can also learn a bit of history - that one of the founders of Hindutva, Savarkar wrote a letter of apology to the British to escape doing time in Andaman prison.

Regardless of what he did, his ideologies still make sense, and are applicable to todays India. It's his ideas that are being tought in the RSS Shakas, it is his ideologies that attract the youth into the RSS even Today.

How can a person, who submitted to British interests be an idol? What use are his ideologies when he doesn't even qualify as a patriot?

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