Thaanga mudyiadha 5-rooba-kodutha-10-roobaikki pongum actors

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Sambantha patta actors intha thread padicha namma ellarayum sue pannuvanggo

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GM in aayudha poojai

GM: ayyO ivar dhaanga owner-u, naan kadaila vElai seyyura payyan 'nga..... thaNNi eduththu vaippEn, maavu aattuvEn, glass kaLuvuvEn.... tea pOduradhellAm ivar dhaanunga.

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Ok, we've gone around the bush enough. Time to finalise.

Following are the final options: I'l update the case file if possible in the next few hours for all candidates - mostly uct and paste from previous pages but I'd encourage people to add their own cases for any candidate they fancy here - Nerd, for instance, I'd encourage you to watch that Thanga Magan VCD again and file the case on V.G. Similarly for others. Let's get the nominees and the case files ready by today EOD. Tomorrow will be eleksan day - Mods, please help with creating the poll with following options today.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Updated list:

Confirmed Nominees:
1. Title Favourite AVM Rajan
2. 'Pen Puli', 'Ponga Paanai' Vijayakumari
3. Unarchi Pizhambu 'Sikkal' ShanmughaSundaram
4. Thambi Bala@CR's nominee 'Killer' Kalairaani
5. 'Pun'nagai arasi, 'Thirutheril varum silai' KR Vijaya
6. 'Azhutham' Asokannnnnnnn
7. Multi-lingual, multi-emotion, multi-expression torture princess 'Baby' Shalini
8. 'Melting Pot', 'Stand and Deliver' Sivakumar
9. V.'Departmentke avamanam'.Gopalakrishnan
10. 'Adhiradi Villain', 'Hey Hey Hey' Ashish Vidyarthi

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Updating Case files for the candidates:
The Case file on AVM Rajan

The trick is in consulting the experts, and remembering who is an expert in what. The advanced years that I have spent on this earth, and more importantly in tfmpage, has given me a headstart on this, which I cannot but use at this critical juncture: When you want critical evidence on AVM Rajan, look no further than ex-hubber OISG. Here's
exhibit #1 possibly the mildest on AVM Rajan I remember from the said hubber:

Commenting on an AM Raja song for AVM Rajan in Pugundha veedu,

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Originally Posted by Ex-hubber and Special Investigator on the Curious Case
of AVM Rajan

the MDs'choice of his voice for AVM Rajan a bit comical.AVMR with king-sized cheeks was a paravasa kunju who will get louder and emotional at the drop of anything.AMR voice is too refined for AVMR.

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He further adds

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Dilip Kumar in a funny man role, ha!ha! - It must have been casting coup akin to casting AVM Rajan in the lead role in the remake of Chaplin's movies

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This is a double whammy on two people Shaktiprabha defended here:-)

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Master Sridhar was AVM Rajan II and loves emote even when he would play an invisible man. After this song Sridhar dies and that would be Rajini's break-point

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Originally Posted by vivasayi

...Sivaji-yoda oru padam. AVM Rajan will be driving a car in hill-road. Steering-a oru thiruppu thiruppuvar paarunga - lorry-la kooda avlo thiruppa mudiyadhu steering...

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Originally Posted by Groucho, again,

As mentioned before, he totally, almost, ruined Thulabaram with his overbearing, over the top sadness (as if the rest of the world are happy and he didn't get his share of happiness), the often downturned lips to show he is acting, and the amalgamation of emotional circus freak show that he manages within a short period of time when sometimes he is just required to be there and do nothing.

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Originally Posted by Groucho, who seems to have suffered AVMR quite badly in his life,

Another case in point is Deivam. A decent devotional drama derailed by the efforts of an overactor. His segment is the most painful to watch. I wished the peacock scratched him, instead of a bad guy in a different sketch. He is typical actor who is "not in the same page". I suspect alien's involvement here, but that's another matter altogether

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Originally Posted by Groucho, who is not quite done yet on AVMR,

How about alcoholic scientist under pressure to utilise his talents to commit crime? Sounds like a great role for even heroes. You know, reluctant hero type.

But watch him doing that role in Dharma Yutham. I rest my case.


But then, VG is a supporting actor. Unlike AVMR, who was lead star, main man, big enchilada, big gun, big kahuna, head honcho, big wheel, boss, chief

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram, who, given his standards of expressing disapproval, rather surprisingly has gone soft on AVMR,

PR - I have not seen ThulAbAram. But given my familiarity with AVM Rajan I can imagine what cerebral damage he is capable of inflicting on the audience.

Even in TM....the scene were the stabbed Sivaji cannot move his hand. remba over-A azhuvaapla.

As StevevA would say "Ok leave it..... cool down cool down cool down"

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Updating Case files for the candidates:
The Case file on Vijayakumari
Vijayakumari is a veritable boiling pot of emotions - of any kind. Popularly known as "ponga paanai" in my friends' and family circles, the nickname was a tribute to her ability to draw, upon 1o seconds notice, to her face, a well of emotions, whether relevant or not to the scene. She operated in extremes - she only understood one shade each of "kobam", "dabam", "kaadhal", "naanam", "sogam", "veeram" etc. This shade was invariably the darkest variant of that particular colour.

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In Kanna Karumai Nira Kanna, you can see Vijayakumari's take on inferiority complex, self-pity and sadness - basically, she portrays an extreme version of the third of the said emotions, leaving the first two in choice like a frantic examinee pressed for time in the last 15 minutes of the exam, and generally masking her inability to emote finer shades by sobbing from start to finish with louder and louder cries.

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oruthi oruvanai ninaithu vittal - this is a song that captures the complete range of Vijayakumari. In a way, one could say her performance here might have been exactly what is required for the lyrics talk of generic emotions, and is all about over-simplification of emotions, like oruthi oruvanai ninaithu vittal...kaadhal. This is home-territory for Vijayakumari since she only understands such binary emotions - it is either there or not there. But even here, she fails to note that even though the poet is over-simplifying here, the one shade he chooses to describe in this song is not necessarily the extreme shade for the corresponding emotion described. For her, if it is there, then it is there in its highest form, and therefore you can watch out for her expressions for "kaadhal" - eyes twinkling, naana chirippu, heaving bo..well cut that out, she brings to fore, the peak state of kaadhal, where the lyrics only talk about teh initial states of kaadhal when oruthi thinks of oruvan - at that stage, the kaadhal is supposed to be milder and non-feverish but such shades do not bother our latter-day Kannagi. She goes bonkers for the full-orchestra here.
While I could go on and describe her reactions for 'thuyaram', 'mounam', 'kudumbam', the forumhub would run out of servers and let's stop here.

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Originally Posted by One Hubber

edited.originally attributed to groucho wrongly
...Vijayakumari's take on Kannagi tells us clearly why Kovalan went in search of a madhavi...

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Originally Posted by NOV

sob queen crown is definitely vijayakumari's

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Originally Posted by complicateur

I can throw a vote in for VijayakumAri. Quite annoying and almost single handedly destroyed pOlicekAran magaL

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Originally Posted by groucho, and I am sure it is him this time

Pala expressions-na, Vijayakumari-ku is a class of her own. That's for sure. I said this before and I would like to bring that scene from Kallum Kaniyagum again, where TMS sings beautifully about music, and she does a sexy routine until the snake that was there, that took note of our disgust, does its job promptly and accurately. Sambanthamee illatha nadippu = Vijaya Kumari.

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Plum, that was not me. I think I was talking about the snake incident in Kallum Kaniyagum.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

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Originally Posted by Plum

Revathi despite maintaining dignity was sensual as required and when required.

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It is problematic to say "despite" (pardon the nitpicking!), but I agree on the larger point. I don't think it's fair at all to include someone like Revathi in this basket. I'm not arguing against the point that a good share of her roles conformed to the established "norms" regarding "what a decent woman should wear or do" or what have you, but I think it's more important to acknowledge that she ultimately did make a few moves in the right direction, did roles that were central/important to the film and so on, which in itself was (and certainly is) very unusual for Tamil cinema. I think we should respect that. One can't begin to make a similar case for someone like Nadhiya.

Actually I must also add that I find the label "touch-me-not heroines" quite caricatural. We're talking about an industry which stops offering lead roles to an actress because she got married. An industry which insists on labelling actresses either "this way" or "that way." (It is essentially this kind of binary classification that narrows down the "possibilities" in their careers.) It is bleeding obvious that the kind of difficulties an actress would have to face to establish and assert her identity will be much more compared to an actor. So I'm more than a bit wary of slotting an actress as a "touch me not" type, because it could very well be the case that her expectations as an actress were very reasonable.

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I am actually interested in that discussion you have outlined there, equa. It is like either you are an ultra-dignified woman not to be messed with(Nadia) or if you show the slightest indication of willing to do a sensuous role if the script demanded it, that is an invitation for shady producers to come to you with skin-show scripts, and it becomes that much difficult for you to turn down unneeded exposure. I am extrapolating from interviews and such here, and putting myself in the shoes of a heroine trying to avoid unnecessary exposure, and the moment you do 'necessary' exposure, then the director comes to you and says "andha padathula apdi nadhicheengale". You can say the script demanded it but the relationship complexities with the director being what it is, you cannot openly blame his script etc, and you are forced to comply. This ofcourse doesnt apply to strong-minded women like Nadia, who apparently decided what to wear and what level of touching she will allow the hero. Then again, she had to strictly maintain it and not slip from it ever even if the script demanded it - and a Sridhar movie did demand a seduction scene even though the movie was crap, which as I said ended up with lots of respect and fear in Suresh's face whenever he had to touch her contributing to some hilarious moments - because if she had slipped slightly, I am sure even she couldnt have prevented from going down the path of unnecessary exposure. This shouldnt matter in the normal course but it limited her as an actress. Konkona Sen Sharma is another one that comes to the mind - she is extremely uncomfortable doing intimate scenes, though not as bad as Nadia and the bollywood of today affords you chances to take part in difficult roles requiring minimal intimacy without compromising yourself and opening the gate for shady producers and directors to quote that precedence to push their vulgar agenda through you.
(Sneha, on whom I hold no opinion this way or that way, once told in an interview that she tries her best to convince the director about 'not wearing revealing outfits' etc but gives in if the argument goes on and she is unable to convince - which is the basis for my extrapolation above of not all actresses having the mental strength to say a blanket no to unnecessary exposure and needing the binary case of "I will not ever expose" to prevent any exposure at all. Which as you rightly observed boxes them into a corner not entirely of their choice.)
We'll have to delink this into a separate thread though

immi-alavu-kooda nadunilamai illaadha thread :rant:

sarna, why? Sol kutrama? Porul kutrama?

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Originally Posted by Plum

sarna, why? Sol kutrama? Porul kutrama?

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paadalE(thread) kutram engirEn :rant: