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Originally Posted by leosimha

again...you are part true....it is true about market/star value to make one buy also...they will expect huge returns....you are not in business just to buy based on market/star values...but to make money also...

ebay came up with INR 100,000 for the iPhone6 when it was launched....so if one buys it and is not satisfied...can he go back to eBay and claim back the money or the remaining INR 50,000 to compensate for the loss because he was not satisfied...

you say many weren't satisfied with the movie..so did you get your money back...

there was this one local guy from bangalore who paid INR 12,000 to watch the Lingaa movie...did he get back the remaining INR 11,750/- because he wasn't satisfied or it wasn't paisa vasool for him...

all these sheer craziness must be shot

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Did i say producers/actors should pay money back to distrbutors..all i said is he is fool but not greedy..
I dont know why you are comparing business with consumers..fans/movie goers are like consumers and if the product is not good in that shop then they wont buy next time unless its a brand..same way if actors movie is not good then his market will be down unless he is big star because fans will restrict..thats how we will respond.
Business is not like that..

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Originally Posted by Avadi to America

you mean 8C with nonrefundable of X% of distribution price in the downturn scenario...
Then it could have happened this way
Option 1. 9C with refundable of x% of 9C in the downturn scenario
Option2 : 8C with nonrefundable in downturn scenario.

The local distributor might have chosen option2.

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Nobody knows if the option 1 was given. So, we cant assume that.

as per the pressmeet, 8 crore non-refundable deposit should be paid for that region. For any revenue generated beyond 8 crores, only 10% goes to distributor as commision. But, if the generated revenue is below 8 crore, then the producer wont share the loss. So one-sided this is!

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Originally Posted by vithagan

Idhellam therinju naan oru padatha quick timela laabam paarkalamnu vaangina.. naan dhaan greedy..

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Ohh avalavu amount quote pannavan appaavi?

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Originally Posted by leosimha

since I have already said about the news floating...it is your liberty to believe it or not...if you don't believe it...you can counter it by posting about the duo's goodness in the TFI or choose to ignore it...

if you strongly believe that VJ is not like that...then claps and applause for your strong belief...

since you have understood it to be a floating news...you are at liberty to take this news how seriously you want...

today people talk that Shashi Tharoor is involved in Sunanda Pushkar's murder....we don't have the proofs...but there is a strong belief....because there is a strong undercurrent against Shashi Tharoor...

Hope you don't believe the Shashi Tharoor news...

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Practice What you preach.....Kindly assume that any post that you do not believe was posted due the undercurrent that the particular person felt before posting it and don't bother asking about proofs..... And why should I believe whether Vijay is a saint or devil...He is an actor who entertains me .... When we cannot judge people around us I would only be foolish to brand someone good or bad based on hearsay

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Originally Posted by Saai

Nobody knows if the option 1 was given. So, we cant assume that.

as per the pressmeet, 8 crore non-refundable deposit should be paid for that region. For any revenue generated beyond 8 crores, only 10% goes to distributor as commision. But, if the generated revenue is below 8 crore, then the producer wont share the loss. So one-sided this is!

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Absolutely true..this one sided becoz chinna mudhalaalinga periya mudhalaalinga kitta sandai poda mudiyaathu..
avunga vaikirathu thaan sattam illena cartelisation form panni address illaama panniduvaanga..
Intha prachanaiya sumoogamma backdoorla mudichirukalaam..

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Originally Posted by Saai

Nobody knows if the option 1 was given. So, we cant assume that.

as per the pressmeet, 8 crore non-refundable deposit should be paid for that region. For any revenue generated beyond 8 crores, only 10% goes to distributor as commision. But, if the generated revenue is below 8 crore, then the producer wont share the loss. So one-sided this is!

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you state as you know the details of negotiation... Option 2 was the conclusion of deal but what other options were on the table was nobody knows....the movie was not sold to him at gun point... he thought as per his cash flow projection he will make profit in a week... which did not happen as per his claim.

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Originally Posted by Avadi to America

you state as you know the details of negotiation... Option 2 was the conclusion of deal but what other options were on the table was nobody knows....the movie was not sold to him at gun point... he thought as per his cash flow projection he will make profit in a week... which did not happen as per his claim.

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All those details were shared by the distributors to media - Hindu, Anandha vikatan etc. Nobody knows what other options were there. Ofcourse nobody sold to him at gun point. The point is - a corporate house does business with small-time guys and they can easily exploit these guys with one-sided contracts as these.

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Originally Posted by USV

Ohh avalavu amount quote pannavan appaavi?

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Naan Avalavu amount quote panni evanum vaangaama naan nashtapatta naan Greedy.. else i'm a successful businessmen..

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Originally Posted by USV

Did i say producers/actors should pay money back to distrbutors..all i said is he is fool but not greedy..
I dont know why you are comparing business with consumers..fans/movie goers are like consumers and if the product is not good in that shop then they wont buy next time unless its a brand..same way if actors movie is not good then his market will be down unless he is big star because fans will restrict..thats how we will respond.
Business is not like that..

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again when you are taking B2C....

Producer-Distributor is like B2C
Distributor-Theatre is like B2C
Theatre-People is like B2C

everywhere B2C is involved...my cousin who was a Rajini fanatic stopped watching Rajini movies after Baba....

Producer/Distributor/Theatre go to Rajini because of one and only thing the Image the Star value he has created which Rajni himself has created and guess he is finding it difficult to break it and wants to do formula commercial movies...but he has been experimenting it after Baba taking calculative risks here and there...

Chandramukhi
Kuselan
Sivaji
Enthiran
Kochadaiyan
Lingaa

of all the above..to me personally..I feel Sivaji was to a certain extent formula commercial....rest all different....

Lingaa was totally refreshing sans Rajinism where the audience expected something like Muthu or Padayappa...since teaming up with KSR...

if Distributors/Theatres were expecting Sivaji/Enthiran....then they are fools....at the same time greedy enough thinking about making profits without any thoughts of calculative risks...

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Originally Posted by Saai

All those details were shared by the distributors to media - Hindu, Anandha vikatan etc. Nobody knows what other options were there. Ofcourse nobody sold to him at gun point. The point is - a corporate house does business with small-time guys and they can easily exploit these guys with one-sided contracts as these.

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do you mean, the guys does 8C business and trying to get profit in a week does not have plan/agenda or call him victim? In general, movie business is a high stake poker game to extend High frequency trading where one leverage as much to increase the potential of profit.

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Originally Posted by Movie Buff

Practice What you preach.....Kindly assume that any post that you do not believe was posted due the undercurrent that the particular person felt before posting it and don't bother asking about proofs..... And why should I believe whether Vijay is a saint or devil...He is an actor who entertains me .... When we cannot judge people around us I would only be foolish to brand someone good or bad based on hearsay

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see you have answered yourself without any efforts from my side to make you understand...you are attaining enlightenment after having a chat with me... :)

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Originally Posted by vithagan

Naan Avalavu amount quote panni evanum vaangaama naan nashtapatta naan Greedy.. else i'm a successful businessmen..

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Wow..avalavu kaasu quote panna peraasai kaaran uthaman,appavi vaangunavan greedy,villaina..

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Originally Posted by Avadi to America

do you mean, the guys does 8C business and trying to get profit in a week does not have plan/agenda or call him victim?

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What? I just mean he is a fool to sign such a contract and the producer is greedy and manipulative

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Originally Posted by leosimha

again when you are taking B2C....

Producer-Distributor is like B2C
Distributor-Theatre is like B2C
Theatre-People is like B2C

everywhere B2C is involved...my cousin who was a Rajini fanatic stopped watching Rajini movies after Baba....

Producer/Distributor/Theatre go to Rajini because of one and only thing the Image the Star value he has created which Rajni himself has created and guess he is finding it difficult to break it and wants to do formula commercial movies...but he has been experimenting it after Baba taking calculative risks here and there...

Chandramukhi
Kuselan
Sivaji
Enthiran
Kochadaiyan
Lingaa

of all the above..to me personally..I feel Sivaji was to a certain extent formula commercial....rest all different....

Lingaa was totally refreshing sans Rajinism where the audience expected something like Muthu or Padayappa...since teaming up with KSR...

if Distributors/Theatres were expecting Sivaji/Enthiran....then they are fools....at the same time greedy enough thinking about making profits without any thoughts of calculative risks...

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Suthi suthi sonnathaiyae thaan 2 perum thirumbha thirumbha soldrom..naan fool not greedynu solran and u r saying he is greedy..lets be like that..

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Originally Posted by USV

Wow..avalavu kaasu quote panna peraasai kaaran uthaman,appavi vaangunavan greedy,villaina..

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Smartphone eduthukalam..
Apple Iphone - $650
Samsung smartphone with more capabilities then iphone - $550
Amazon fire phone with good config like iphone when launched - $650

Both Apple and Samsung are successful in their model,
but amazon with not popular fire OS sold the phone at $650 at launch..

In this situation I call Amazon as greedy.. they are selling the phone now less than $200(within 6 months from the launch date)
Even though iphone is overpriced do you call Apple as Greedy??? definitely not because people ready to pay $650 for iphone.

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Originally Posted by vithagan

Smartphone eduthukalam..
Apple Iphone - $650
Samsung smartphone with more capabilities then iphone - $550
Amazon fire phone with good config like iphone when launched - $650

Both Apple and Samsung are successful in their model,
but amazon with not popular fire OS sold the phone at $650 at launch..

In this situation I call Amazon as greedy.. they are selling the phone now less than $200(within 6 months from the launch date)
Even though iphone is overpriced do you call Apple as Greedy??? definitely not because people ready to pay $650 for iphone.

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Comeon bro you don't have to explain all this level of details to "Nobody here". Who are these guys to question what brand RK is or for that matter how much money producer or rajni should be make?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCY6NeOsRvU - Repeatu...

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Originally Posted by vithagan

Smartphone eduthukalam..
Apple Iphone - $650
Samsung smartphone with more capabilities then iphone - $550
Amazon fire phone with good config like iphone when launched - $650

Both Apple and Samsung are successful in their model,
but amazon with not popular fire OS sold the phone at $650 at launch..

In this situation I call Amazon as greedy.. they are selling the phone now less than $200(within 6 months from the launch date)
Even though iphone is overpriced do you call Apple as Greedy??? definitely not because people ready to pay $650 for iphone.

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Neengalae sollitinga by comparing apple with amazone fire phone like enthiran with Lingaa..producers projected Lingaa like enthiran/padayappa and distributor fooled himself..he is not greedy thats my point..however his cheap act out of frustration needs to be condemned..

Apram Rajnikant brand enna ellam enakku theriyum..as i told i never moved out of rajni-kamal yet and not a fan of any current actors becoz i cant accept when this 2 stalwarts were still active and successfull..one failure cant bring them down..hope you understand my point..

again if my point is not line with you dont think otherwise..everyone thoughts were different..

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Originally Posted by vithagan

Smartphone eduthukalam..
Apple Iphone - $650
Samsung smartphone with more capabilities then iphone - $550
Amazon fire phone with good config like iphone when launched - $650

Both Apple and Samsung are successful in their model,
but amazon with not popular fire OS sold the phone at $650 at launch..

In this situation I call Amazon as greedy.. they are selling the phone now less than $200(within 6 months from the launch date)
Even though iphone is overpriced do you call Apple as Greedy??? definitely not because people ready to pay $650 for iphone.

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Let me explain:

A distributor is not an end consumer. End consumer is the movie-goer, who pay for ticket and watch the movie. So, the $550 example doesnt suit here. A distributor is a part of the business. In Samsung's case also there will be distributors and wholesalers who will sell to retail stores, which will sell to customers. Among the contracts between the manufacturer and distributor , it could be a buy-back contract, where the seller will buy back the unsold goods or revenue sharing contracts etc. In Linga's case Manufactuer = producer and distributor = distributor.

In this case of Linga, there is a clear case of one-sided contract, where the risk-sharing and profit-sharing is completely benefiting producer, where the risk is pushed to distributor and the distributors are not getting benefits for taking the risk. There is a chance to call that in a environment where the corporate guys do business with small time distributors, they can exploit.

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Originally Posted by Saai

Let me explain:

A distributor is not an end consumer. End consumer is the movie-goer, who pay for ticket and watch the movie. So, the $550 example doesnt suit here. A distributor is a part of the business. In Samsung's case also there will be distributors and wholesalers who will sell to retail stores, which will sell to customers. Among the contracts between the manufacturer and distributor , it could be a buy-back contract, where the seller will buy back the unsold goods or revenue sharing contracts etc. In Linga's case Manufactuer = producer and distributor = distributor.

In this case of Linga, there is a clear case of one-sided contract, where the risk-sharing and profit-sharing is completely benefiting producer, where the risk is pushed to distributor and the distributors are not getting benefits for taking the risk. There is a chance to call that in a environment where the corporate guys do business with small time distributors, they can exploit.

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Well said..idhukku maela bettera explain panna mudiyaathu..corporates will always try to exploit/fool people but one need to be carefull..
Here new distributors became fools but not greedy..bad thing is the way they handle the situation and disturbing the industry/actors/fans

United Arab Emirates Box Office
December 18–21, 2014

5 2 Lingaa n/a $75,214 -88.6% 31 -5 $2,426 $777,152 2

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/ua...4&wk=51&p=.htm

It made 0.8 M dollar here!!!

Permission granted for Lingaa distributors
http://chennaionline.com/movies/cine...stributors.col

Theatre owners and distributors, who suffered huge losses following the failure of the Rajnikanth's latest flick 'Linagaa' at the box office, would observe a day long fast on January 10 seeking the intervention of the actor to offset their losses.

The Chennai city police have granted permission to the distributors to stage a fast on the 10th of January. The claim from the distributors is that the movie suffered drastic losses in spite the fact that they paid high prices for their rights.

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Originally Posted by Saai

Let me explain:

A distributor is not an end consumer. End consumer is the movie-goer, who pay for ticket and watch the movie. So, the $550 example doesnt suit here. A distributor is a part of the business. In Samsung's case also there will be distributors and wholesalers who will sell to retail stores, which will sell to customers. Among the contracts between the manufacturer and distributor , it could be a buy-back contract, where the seller will buy back the unsold goods or revenue sharing contracts etc. In Linga's case Manufactuer = producer and distributor = distributor.

In this case of Linga, there is a clear case of one-sided contract, where the risk-sharing and profit-sharing is completely benefiting producer, where the risk is pushed to distributor and the distributors are not getting benefits for taking the risk. There is a chance to call that in a environment where the corporate guys do business with small time distributors, they can exploit.

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If he just sign one side contract, then he looks beyond monetary benefits from the deal.. that's how you should take not as fool/victim? For me, 8C investment is not a fool's business. if he had hit jackpot then he would have gained lot more than monetary benefit....

Next time before buying the movie, they should talk to Rajini about possible compensation later! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Avadi to America

If he just sign one side contract, then he looks beyond monetary benefits from the deal.. that's how you should take not as fool/victim? For me, 8C investment is not a fool's business. if he had hit jackpot then he would have gained lot more than monetary benefit....

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The soft-benefits which are beyond monetary benefits will be helpful only if the monetary benefits are atleast "Nil", I mean break even. Who will worry about soft benefits when there is huge monetary loss?

AA: Dont waste your time, please!

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Originally Posted by thamiz

AA: Dont waste your time, please!

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:rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Saai

The soft-benefits which are beyond monetary benefits will be helpful only if the monetary benefits are atleast "Nil", I mean break even. Who will worry about soft benefits when there is huge monetary loss?

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if he doesn't understand the nature of the business he should not do business at first place... he wants to make a 1C profit in a week do you think it's not greedy... In my Poing of view, it was more strategic investment from his side. I keep telling 8C is a lot of money not a fool's business...

Lingaa distributors seek compensation
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle6769643.ece

After being snubbed by the producers of Lingaa , the film’s distributors on Thursday announced that they would go on a sit-in fast in order to get the attention of actor Rajinikanth.

Their hope is that the actor would intervene and compensate for the losses they have suffered.

Lingaa ’s distributors have given a call to all distributors and theatre owners to join them on January 10 at Valluvar Kottam. “I bought the rights for North Arcot, South Arcot and Puducherry areas for around Rs. 7 crores, but I face losses of up to Rs. 4.7 crores. The film fell flat on Monday, three days after the release on December 12. The collections consistently fell over the ensuing couple of weeks,” said Sai N. Krishnakumar of Capricorn Pictures.

While the distributors who addressed a press conference on Thursday admitted that there was no legal basis to ask for compensation, they insisted theirs was a moral and ethical demand.

“We bought the film by paying what is called the ‘Non-Refundable Advance’. By this, distributors only get 10 per cent of whatever is collected above the advance they paid, with the rest of the collections above the advance going to the producers. Despite the risk, we purchased the movie only because we were told it had shaped up quite well. Now, the producers have made a lot of money and we have suffered huge losses,” rued T.T. Singaravelu whose Marina Pictures had bought the rights for Tiruchi for around Rs. 8 crores and claimed to have suffered more than 60 per cent loss.

The distributors noted that the NRA model led to the huge losses. Insisting that such demands are nothing new in the Tamil film industry, the distributors recalled how actor Vijay too had returned money after his last Pongal release, Jilla , which didn’t do as well as was expected.

“We won’t be asking for the money back if we had suffered a loss of 10-20 per cent. We know it is a part of the business. Here, we are facing 60-70 per cent loss, which is too big for us,” said Sai N. Krishnakumar.

When asked to state what they want from the producers, one of them said: “We are ready to forego the commission. We only want Rockline Venkatesh, the producer, to compensate whatever money we have lost.”

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Originally Posted by USV

Apram Rajnikant brand enna ellam enakku theriyum..as i told i never moved out of rajni-kamal yet and not a fan of any current actors becoz i cant accept when this 2 stalwarts were still active and successfull..one failure cant bring them down..hope you understand my point..

again if my point is not line with you dont think otherwise..everyone thoughts were different..

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Sare da sare da nee roomba nallavan, nee yaaru yen sollavara yellam theriyum.

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Originally Posted by Dilbert

Sare da sare da nee roomba nallavan, nee yaaru yen sollavara yellam theriyum.

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aamaanda nallavanu certificate koduthatha eduthu profilea add panikuran..nee yaarunu mattum engalukku theriyaatha..

http://www.indiatvnews.com/entertain...ice-19792.html

http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/dont...-losses-724960

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/l.../1/412144.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainmen...lingaa-2050889

Quick Question: Are we all in agreement that the movie is a massive flop? We are just arguing whether Rajini+Eros should share in the loss or the distributors should just fend for themselves, correct?

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Originally Posted by kumarsr

Quick Question: Are we all in agreement that the movie is a massive flop? We are just arguing whether Rajini+Eros should share in the loss or the distributors should just fend for themselves, correct?

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220 Cr collected movie flopaa ? lol ?

220 Cr collection?? nobody claimed that..

are u guys really dumb or acting like dumb ??

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Originally Posted by Dilbert

220 Cr collected movie flopaa ? lol ?

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Edhavathu sonna nallavanu solraanga..vittu thallu
Movie has been sold for 220Cr including satellite rights/audio rights and its not the collection..excluding satellite/audio rights just distribution rights for 170 ,if the collection is close to 175 crores then why there is a strike?? Average movie'a chennai'la hit aagum..but
Just take Chennai collections according to behindwoods..enthiran collected 15C overall and lingaa collected 6.5 crores ,already in SPI cinemas itself just 4 shows and it will end up with max 7 crores..

So just imagine the overall collection..
http://behindwoods.com/tamil-movies/...ce-jan-04.html

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Originally Posted by Anban

220 Cr collection?? nobody claimed that..

are u guys really dumb or acting like dumb ??

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Anbar anea!! 30 pages playing with boys pl dont disturb ya :lol: