thiruvasakam in symphony

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Originally Posted by Vysar

I would advice you to read my posting again. People think that they are fashion statement quoting NBA and stuff

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In the early 2000, MJ was being a veteran player and he did not want to compete for winning the nba-title. That will never make him a loser or runner to anybody. Because he proved himself long before. So did IR.

Calling him as a runner to ARR is inappropriate and it is not WARRANTED here -especially by a so called IR fan.

Anyway, I still did not get your point reagrding "fashion and all".

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Regarding backstabbing, I am learning this from my idol thats all.

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I would believe an artiste's word rather than cheap critic's nasty allegation or accusations by someone else in a trashy magazine!

Show me the proofs for your allegations which I have not seen yet.

Thanks :)

You know NBA history huh! Jordon actually came back from retirement played with Wazhington Wizards tried to win a title again and lost miserably. If he stayed retired he would have kept his dignity of going out a winner as a Chicago Bull. So thats what happening to IR, TIS is a good album due to IRs mismanagement it is not selling well. We as fans are the one promoting the album but there are no buyers. I bought 10 albums to give it to my american friends to listen. IRs greatest album but it cannot even reach the masses as ARRs Vandhemataram did. The very day Vandhematarm released i saw a copy in Borders bookshop. It is because sony released it. But TIS to Wellgate and the album promotion stalled.

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Originally Posted by Vysar

You know NBA history huh! Jordon actually came back from retirement played with Wazhington Wizards tried to win a title again and lost miserably.

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Put that in the joke per day thread!!! :rotfl:

Another thing I want to say is IR is IR, comparing him to MJ is the worst thing you can do to some one who had been the greatest. MJ is never a egomaniac and always have good things to say about youngsters. But IR on the contrary never uttered anything good about the youngsters. He thinks he is the greatest and only his music is the best of the world. But the fact is he churns out mostly crap than anything TIS being an exception. He should gracefully retire then I would think about comparing him to Ron Artest :)

I didn't know that you are that ignorant when you advice some one to read about NBA history. You should be prepared to know much better than that person.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/

well, unfortunately, that makes you look that u r admitting that u r ignorant, vysar! :lol:

Hi you remind me of some Indian Professors. They typically will get a critical reference from a student today. Then tomorrow they will go back to the same student and suggest them to look up the same reference as if they came up with that idea, first! :lol:

You r very funny :lol:

First of all read my initial posting you ignorant friend.
I mentioned that I rather compare IR to Michael Jackson than Jordon. I think you need a prescription for glasses. You showed this world that you are an oxymoron to the entire world by saying jordon never played for Washington Wizard.

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You showed this your oxymoron to the entire world by saying jordon never played for Washington Wizard

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Did I?!

Where did I say that?!

You are using the same logic and brain in "IR-allegation" too????!!!

Nobody can save you, Vysar! :(

I don't want anyone to save me since I am my own man rather being a cry baby like you know who. People are very ignorant by not looking at the facts and blindly accepting IRs never commits a mistake.

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Originally Posted by stranger

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Originally Posted by Vysar

You know NBA history huh! Jordon actually came back from retirement played with Wazhington Wizards tried to win a title again and lost miserably.

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Put that in the joke per day thread!!! :rotfl:

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what you mean by this biggest joke of the year...

I dont think he TRIED to WIN a title again! :)

Not many would agree with you on this :)

Mesaiyiale mann otavillaiyae? :)

Do you know he donated the entire paycheck he got from playing for Wazhington Wizard to World Trade Center fund? What did IR do to Tsunami victims? scoot, nada,
Just publicized that he would donate all the profits from TIS to Tsumai victims and put it in his pocket.

well, I know much more about michael. He is a human being with weaknesses too. And my intention was not comparing him with IR.

I brought this issue up to say:

* MJ did not lose to Shaq

* IR did not lose to ARR

* MGR did not lose to RK

* or RK will not lose to Vijay!

And if I were a IR-fan, like you are, I would never ever put IR down by making an *ugly statement* like you did which is so irrelevant to the topic of discussion here :cool:

You seem to judge people easily!

Have you ever judged yourself and being ashamed of the ugly part of yourself ???!!!!

We are all cheap human beings after all and nobody is perfect including Vysar. Dont go on judge people from the rumors and allegations u learn from magazines.

It is quite possible that you got it all wrong! It is hard to pay off the debt if the accused/defendant is found innocent ! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Vysar

MJ is never a egomaniac and always have good things to say about youngsters.

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Every man has ego, even a beggarman has ego. Ego is not an illegal matter.

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Originally Posted by Vysar

But IR on the contrary never uttered anything good about the youngsters.

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Can you tell what IR told against youngsters. He is better than today's more politicians to guide youngsters.

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Originally Posted by Vysar

He thinks he is the greatest and only his music is the best of the world. But the fact is he churns out mostly crap than anything TIS being an exception.

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Why he think that he is the greatest? Millions of people like his music. If anybody did not like his music then definitly he won't think like that. But he did not think that he is the one and only. It is also true.

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Originally Posted by Vysar

He should gracefully retire then I would think about comparing him to Ron Artest :)

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Sombody also would think about comparing Bush with Bin laden. Thus Bush have to retire his post?.

ya you have rights to compare x with y. As same as IR is the only person to decide about his retirement. But he won't. Because music is like his breath.

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Originally Posted by sudhakarg

Vyasar,

Let us be a little more objective here. I too donated for TiS. I did so, not because TiS-USA asked me or TM asked me. To me, this was a new concept.., like the NPR. I liked the idea and wanted to support this project.. Thats it. I'm a big fan of IR's music, and to that effect he did'nt let me down. Thiruvasagam by IR is probably his best composition ever. So, I'm a little clueless when people say that he cheated. Can somebody substantiate please?

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sudhakarg

there are two sides to a coin. we know only one side. I dont think IR will come out and say anything against what Vyasar and like minded people are saying. Financially and logistically what others are saying (i.e. IR gave copyrights to Wellgate and took money from them directly) doesnt make any sense. Also there are rumours about TIS sales in Euro. Once again when it comes to line item, it doesnt add up.

If IR really wanted to make money he could have scored 30 to 40 movies during the time he spent for TIS and made more money. Though the rumours seems to be going agains IR, bottom line is not. If money is my criteria, i would score 30-40 movies and made 10 crore than work on 1 album and make 70 lakhs.

other than this, there is nothing much to say. TIS is very nice and out of world composition for many of us. I even stoped listening to TIS after I saw the news initially, but I just simply cant avoid IR cuz his music is the only life saver for millions of us during our boring 2 hour commute or during our night support or even to sing a lullaby to your baby. This is what is different between IR and the rest. Its more than music. Its life.

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

ya you have rights to compare x with y. As same as IR is the only person to decide about his retirement. But he won't. Because music is like his breath.

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Nice fitting reply to Vysar
Ithu thaan saakkunnu IR'a mothamma ozhichu katta ithu madhiri neraya peru kelambitaanga...]
I had been repeatedly saying that but for these one or two issues IR is an inseparable entity from our lives. But there are people like Vysar who cunningly disguising themselves as IR fans comment upon whatever their wild imagination can lead to and come out saying that He should have retired gracefully... Yaen Mathavangalukku Poatti korainjidumna?
Sari Retire Aayirukanumnae vachipom
Eppa senjirukanum?
ARR entry aana udanaevaa?
Athukku appuram Devar magan Hit koduthu 1992 top ten songsla 'Inji Idupazhaga' No.1 Position vantha appurama?
92-97 varaikkum continuosa kalaignan, maganathi, veera, walter vetrivel, avatharam, mogamul,Guru[malayalam] marupadiyum, Siraichaalai, ejamman, Ponnumani, Aavarampoo, naatupura paatu, Aathma madhiri innum pala super duper hits kuduthuttu ellathukkum peaka 'Kadhalukku mariyadhai' madhiri Salesyalum salaichavar illannu Prove pannathukku appurama?
Illa Athukku appuramavum Angonnu ingonna Friends, kannukkul nilavu, Barathi, Azhagi, Sethu, Solla marantha kadhai, Kaasi, julie ganapathy, Heyram, Virumaandi, pithamagan,MX, madhiri Hits aswelas melodious music kuduthathukku appurama?
Eppa Retire Aayirukanummnu precise time'a namma Vysar SIR point out panna engallukku ellam vasathiyaa irukkum :lol:
IR'oda Kadumayaina critica naan Paakra Vijayr kooda IR retire aayirukanummnu sonnathuilla. He is still expecting something better from IR on his own line of quality judgement and he feels IR is capable of doing that.
Vysar SIR Avaroda isai ingu thodarnthu isainthukondae irukkum. Ungal Velayai kavaniyungal...Ungalukku 'Mayiliragu' podhum endraal engallukku 'antha naal nyabagamum' ' Kajuraho' vum podhum

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Originally Posted by njv

...but I just simply cant avoid IR cuz his music is the only life saver for millions of us during our boring 2 hour commute or during our night support or even to sing a lullaby to your baby. This is what is different between IR and the rest. Its more than music. Its life.

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What is this nonsense about tsunami and music college aid. The overwhelming theme of this thread seems to be that TIS is incurring heavy loss. How is IR supposed to donate to tsunami when it is a big loss, as claimed by the US guys. Surely, you cant have it both ways.

I hope some of the guys here have heard about libel laws. You cant just go on accusing any person( whoever it maybe) in a deliberate attempt to tarnish his reputation, which is what people like vyasar, kavin , etc are doing. It is ur responsibility to prove that IR did something wrong. If IR decides to sue u all, u dont have any defence. So you better , either shut up all this nonsensical allegations or come up with proof. Just shouting the same lies again and again , will not make it true.


The whole project was not done in a transparent manner, right from the beginning. And IR never asked u guys to take loans from anybody( We dont even have a record of who loaned money to whom). If you got loans , then it is ur problem. It is more probable, that some of the organisers invested money in the project in the hope that it will be a big success, and that investment is being dubbed as a loan.

Just look at the available facts. Father claims the project costed 1.4 crores( we dont have details why it costed that much and what is the breakdown of the expenditure). According to TIS, they have donated 105 K dollars, which is about 50 lakhs, which means tamil mayyam and others have donated the remaining 90 lakhs. Now father claims a loss of one crore. This is only possible, only if they have not sold even a single CD. The sums just dont add up. It is easy to make a wild allegation. Any sensible person is going to ignore the wild allegations posted in this forum, unless they are proven with solid numbers and a direct link to IR . Hope somebody does it or shut up forever

I used to be IR fan but I got fed up when I heard about TIS debacle. He came to US just to encourage his fans to donate money for his prestigious project. During the release I saw no credit given to the people who worked behind the scenes to help him get his ambitious project released.

People judged every day and their speech should translate to action. Since they are public figure and they are unlike politicians. They have to watch before saying things like opening a music school and Tsunami relief etc. During the time when people are suffering he donates a diamond hand to GOD from TIS profits.

Just because I vindicate IR doesn't make me ARR fan. I listen to his music even now. I watched Rettai Val Kuruvi DVD yesterday and enjoyed Raja Raja Chozhan Naan and Kannan Vanthu Padukiran (what a composition in par with current trend I miss this IR) I would advice you all to clean your clogged mind and be practical.

Who is Shaq?? Y r u comparing him with Michael Jackson??? What is Chicago bulls? Ramarajan's latest hollywood film? Thala suthuthudaa saaami....

"Chicago Bulls" & (G)Ramarajan !!! Super porutham ponga :) I also liked your id! "LordLabakuDas" :) I am sure this will bring a smile in this thread!

Guys, konjam tension'a kurainga (adhathaan seiyyarom'nu sollaadheenga :) )

thanks,

Krishnan

Vysar u r an waste.

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Originally Posted by LordLabakuDas

Who is Shaq?? Y r u comparing him with Michael Jackson??? What is Chicago bulls? Ramarajan's latest hollywood film? Thala suthuthudaa saaami....

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Welcome Back LLD :D :clap:
Where were you all these days :?:

LLD avargaLe, ippidi aadiku oru thadavaiyum amavasaikku oru thadavaiyum thalaiyai neetinaa thalai sutha thaan seiyyum .
IR new albums threadukku poi sooda oru coffee saapidunga :)

thaanai thalaivar LLD-a aadi amaavaasaikku equate paNNiyadhai agila ulaga LLD sanga seyalaaLar enRa murayil vanmayaaga kaNdikkirEn. :x

annan henkela LLD vaazhga!

Yaruppa athu LordLabakuDas, verum 3 post-layae famous agitaru. :lol:

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Originally Posted by netfriend4u2005

Vysar u r an waste.

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I believe that you fat fingered your posting

Vysar, Ir is a waste!

I agree

Sanjeevi,
LLD has been posting for a very loooong time. We used to love his sense of humor from pre-hub era.
LLD,
Welcome back, it gives me relief to write something apart from Rajasarnam, who somehow finds time to post here.

Rajasarnam(RS)
Hope everything is well. Good to see u here.

Anyways coming back to the topic
I know the people who were dedicated to make this project successful here, they are doctors, and good professionals. I spoke to one of them here, and asked him several times why can't they make it a fund-raiser event. But they did not want to do that, all they wanted was a music movement, just friends/families who loved IR music to contribute to the project and in turn u dont go empty handed u do get a CD. So it does not make a difference say, Sony invests 1 million towards making of the CD, they market it and put it on the shop's, people buy it for 14$, then sony is slowly going to make it a profitable deal. Here it was different, you invest your money in it and get back what you invested, i dont think that is cheating.

Anyways one note about IR & Michael Jordan, you know why Michael came back to play in NBA, coz for the LOVE OF THE GAME, it is same with IR, His relentless love for producing MUSIC will not die and should not die, I am proud that he is one of the greatest musician from my place and I am so happy to be from that place.

Long live Music, as TV Sankarnarayan (great carnatic stalwart) would say Music Is Life.

கொஞ்சம் மனசாட்சிக்கு இடம் அளித்து இந்தப் பதிவினைப் படியுங்கள்!

இங்கு யாரும் திரு.'இரா'வுக்கு எதிராகப் போர்க்கொடி தூக்கவில்லை.

உங்கள் சார்பாக, எந்த ஒரு இலாப நோக்கும் இல்லாமல் ஆரம்பித்த ஒரு முயற்சிதான் 'டிஸ்- யுஎஸ் ஏ.[TIS-USA]

ஒரு மிகச் சிறந்த இசைக்கலைஞன் தேவையின்றி பணமுதலைகளிடம் சென்று கையேந்தும் நிலையைத் தவிர்த்து, அவனது பல்லாயிரக்கணக்கான ரசிகர்களிடமிருந்தே நிதியுதவி பெற்று, அவர்களுக்காகவே, 'தன் வாழ்வின் தவம்' எனக் கருதிய இரு இசை வட்டினை, அளிக்க உதவிட எண்ணிய ஒரு சிறு ஆசைவேட்கை இது.

அதுவும் ஏறத்தாழ, நினைத்த அளவில் முடிந்து விட்ட நிலையில், மேலும் சிறப்பாக செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று 'இரா' ஆசைப்பட்ட போது, உடனடியாக முடிப்பதெற்கென, கடன் வாங்கித்தான் செய்ய முடியும் என்ற நிலை ஏற்பட்டபோது, 'அப்படியே செய்யுங்கள்; நான் பார்த்துக் கொள்கிறேன்' என்று அந்த இசை அரசன் அளித்த வாக்கையும், நம்பிக்கையையும் கொண்டே கடன் தொகை பெறப்பட்டது என்பது, கடன் அளித்த எல்லோருக்கும் நன்றாகத் தெரியும். இது பற்றிய குறிப்பினையும் இதே 'நூலில்' 2004 ஜூன், ஜூலை பதிவுகளில் காணலாம். அதுவும் ரசிகர்களைக் கருத்தில் கொண்டே செய்யப்பட்டது என்பதும் அனைவரும் அறிந்த ஒன்றுதான்.

இந்த உண்மையை 'இரா' மறுக்க முடியாது. அதற்கான சாட்சிகள் இன்னும் இங்கேதான் இருக்கிறார்கள்.

'இரா' யாரயும் மோசம் செய்துவிட்டதாகவோ, ஏமாற்றி விட்டதாகவோ-- சட்டப்படி- நான் ஒரு போதும் கூறவில்லை.

ஆனால், நவம்பரில் முடிந்த ஒரு இசை வடிவம் எப்போது எந்த நாளில், எத்தனை இடர்பாடுகளைத் தாண்டி வெளிக் கொணர முடிந்தது, அதற்காக செய்யப்பட்ட 'விட்டுகொடுத்தல்கள்' எவ்வளவு, பட்ட அவமானங்கள் எத்தனை, வாங்கிய சொற்கள் எவ்வளவு என்பதெல்லாம் தெரிய வந்தால் இத்தனை மாறுபட்ட கருத்துக்களை இங்கே சந்தித்திருக்க வேண்டிய கட்டாயம் ஏற்பட்டிருக்காது.
யாருக்காக, யாருடைய உதவியினால் இந்த முயற்சி சாத்தியமானதோ, அந்த ரசிகர்களை[என்னை அல்ல!] துச்சமென மதித்து, இலாப நோக்கில் செயல்பட்ட வேதனையில்தான் இன்னும் இருக்கிறோம்.

கடன் கொடுத்த நல்ல உள்ளங்கள் இதுவரை ஒரு நெருக்கடியும் கொடுக்க வில்லை என்ற விஷயத்தை மிக நன்றியுடன் நினைவு கூறும் இந்த நேரத்தில், அவர்களை நேரிலேயே அவமானப் படுத்திய நிலையையும் சொல்லிக் கொள்ள வேண்டி இருக்கிறது.

நான் முதலில் இருந்தே சொல்லி வந்தது போல, இந்த முயற்சி எந்த ஒரு பிற 'இரா'-வின் இசை படைப்புகளுடனுமோ, அல்லது, பிற தயாரிப்பாளர்களுடன் அவர் நடந்து கொண்ட விதமோ ஒப்புமை கொள்ளக் கூடிய ஒன்று அல்ல.

இது நடந்த விதமே தனி. இதற்கு முன்னோடியே கிடையாது, 'இரா'வின் இசை வாழ்வில்.

அந்த ஒரு நிலையில், நான் எழுதுவதினைப் புரிந்து கொள்வீர்கள் என நம்புகிறேன்.
இப்போதும் இந்தக் கடன்களை அடைப்பது ஒரு பிரச்சினையே அல்ல.

ஆனால், ஒரு இசைமேதை தன் ரசிகர்களை, தனக்காகப் பாடுபட்ட ரசிகர்களை, எப்படி நடத்தினார் என்பதை உலகம் அறிய வேண்டும் என்னும் ஒரே கடமையினால் தான் இவ்வளவும் எழுதுகிறேன்; ஏனெனில், இது உங்கள் முயற்சி.

இது பற்றி இனி பேசுவதாய் இல்லை. பேசிப் பிரயோஜனமும் இல்லை.

ஒரே ஒரு வேண்டுகோள்! இந்த எனது பதிவிற்கு தயவு செய்து பதில்மொழி அளிக்க வேண்டாம்.
இசைஞானியின் படைப்பின் பெருமை குறித்தும், திருவாசகம் இசைவட்டு எப்படி எல்லாரையும் சென்றடைய முடியும் என்பது குறித்தே இனி இந்த 'நூல்' தொடரட்டும்.

நடந்தது, நடந்தவையாக இருக்கட்டும்; இனி நடப்பவை நல்லவையாக இருக்கட்டும்.
எல்லாம் இறைவன் செயல்!!
நன்றி.

அன்புடன்,
சங்கர்குமார்

I see lot of differences between MJ and IR

1. Michael Jordon never stabbed any one's back for monetory reasons since he is already rich with wealth and people skill.

2. Michael Jordon was offered Washington Wizard co owner position which also made him to play for them.

3. Michael Jordon has done a lot to the community rather than promoting the church (temple in IRs case)alone

4. Michael Jordon is a team player and never taken credit for all the championship he won. He attributed all the success to the team (but we know who lead it)

5. When I see Jordon I see the gamesmanship

Mr. Vyasar:

Do you know what "gamesmanship" is. It is not virtuous as you have meant to convey. With such blemishes u are criticizing IR! geeez!

He does not know how to spell the verb, "advise" either. But he likes to give advices, always.

well, all kinds of people to make the world! :)

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Originally Posted by stranger

He does not know how to spell the verb, "advise" either. But he likes to give advices, always.

well, all kinds of people to make the world! :)

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ESPN and ABC will come to you on expert opinion on NBA :lol:

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Originally Posted by kr

Mr. Vyasar:

Do you know what "gamesmanship" is. It is not virtuous as you have meant to convey. With such blemishes u are criticizing IR! geeez!

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I know it is actually opposite to IR.

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Originally Posted by stranger

He does not know how to spell the verb, "advise" either. But he likes to give advices, always.

well, all kinds of people to make the world! :)

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Lot of people give advice. the point is who you take it from :lol: Thanks to rahul dravid 8-)

He keeps his name Vyasar, but does not understand the following
1. Music
2. Tamil
3. The discussion context

So there is no point in talking to him. he does not know NBA either. He starts comparing MJ to IR and his arguments shows how much clarity he has about the TIS project. Did he read Sankar's message!!

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Originally Posted by MusicIsLife

Sanjeevi,
LLD has been posting for a very loooong time. We used to love his sense of humor from pre-hub era.
LLD,

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Oh, avara ivaru :D

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Originally Posted by MusicIsLife

He keeps his name Vyasar, but does not understand the following
1. Music
2. Tamil
3. The discussion context

So there is no point in talking to him. he does not know NBA either. He starts comparing MJ to IR and his arguments shows how much clarity he has about the TIS project. Did he read Sankar's message!!

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Vanthutaryaa adutha Jalra!
Btw I didn't start comparing MJ with IR. Mr. Stranger started the whole thing. Yes I read shankars message and it gave me even more reason to remove the humble masquerade of IR.

Really surprised at the crude and closed minded attacks on Vysar, reading his initial post i wanted to say "Why Saar?", but there is a good bit of truth in his words. In a vague and speculative matter like this which will never get a right answer, there is bit of truth in everyone's words - adha yaethuttu poradha vittutu why launch such absolutist attacks on contrary views? We write all kinds of stories in our semester exams to get our degrees, so why be so obsessive in a discussion forum??

BTW, joining the tumultous welcome to LLD, hip hip hurrrayyyyyyyy!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Thanks for the warm welcome *,MIL,RS & Thumbs...cakephonix yaaru? magix'a? ..
Lets c whether i can post regularly like before...
Left/right/all other directions work in office all these days..so cudnt find time to post..now relatively free...
C~P engey? one SRM college guy died coz of ragging yesterday..i suspect his hand on that..:-)
Fighting Stop ellarum...
SIT and listen TIS,
ITS a STI(Sacred Treasure from Illayaraaja)