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Thanks App. :smile: I was replying mainly to genesis's statement that 'IR always did average songs for Rajini'. I wasn't sure if he was making that statement based on that time when the movie and songs were released (as your post was talking mainly about those times), or it was a general comment. If it was former I can understand and agree, but if it was latter, I strongly disagree. That's why I compared our tastes from our youth days to today. It has a sea of difference.
#120 விழிகள் மீனோ மொழிகள் தேனோ
(ராகங்கள் மாறுவதில்லை, 1983)
TF has this Attu mandhai habit of blindly following significant successes. We know about the recent "madhurai" bloodshed films that follow a pattern of a hugely succesful film. Typically, after a few terrible flops (sometimes just one) such madness will stop and money bags will start looking for the next trend.
One such was this "illai-illai" title business in the 80's. Started with 'alaigaL Oyvathillai', there came 'payaNangaL mudivadhillai' and both were huge successes. So, there started 'gOpurangaL sAyvathillai' and may be a few more illais. Well, Sirumugai Ravi, who did this kuppai 'rAgangaL mARuvathillai' can be credited for killing that trend :-) pAvam Prabhu-Ambika, they got associated with this movie which was a waste of their time IMO.
Interestingly, rAsA, who used to encourage all such newcomers did a great job of giving a stunning album. Though there are a number of SPB songs, my most fav was the SJ solo 'vAn meedhilE adhikAlai nEra rAgam' with a terrific rhythm pattern and orchestration. If not for my love for this song and others, I wouldn't have ventured to the theater for that illai movie, only to come back so much irritated. (The only scene that was a little bit interesting was girls running away from Prabhu in the college).
In any case, the songs were hits and this semi-classical-sounding number was a regular on radio. (To my untrained ears, the 'vaishNava jayatO' of Hey Ram sounds very similar to vizhikaL meenO).
SPB is awesome as usual!
I located this reasonably good quality youtube of 'thalaiyai kuniyum thAmaraiyE'
(picturization - going by 80's standards - is reasonably acceptable, only uRuththals being a couple of dance movements & the unnecessary lip movements, something like a typical Malayalam song of those days, Raghuvaran isn't bad) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uatd7...eature=related
Adi mAsa kAththadikka youtube link :
(horrible, silukku and no Radha in this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfiRGMK2DxQ
App,
Thanks for the great pick. Romba Naal'aachu intha paatta kettu. SPB's Mozhigal Theno is terrific. Gorgeous Ist interlude with power packed veena, violin, mridangam and vibraphone. Two violins together. Surprisingly Maestro introduces one keyboard instrument/guitar along with mridangam, when SPB sings the kalpana swarm. Amazing! This is also classical, but how different/mature he sounds when he sings for Shankarabharanam that too some 4 years ago. A singer who completely adapts to the character, not just to the tunes and not just for Rajini and Kamal.
Another sober and haunting melody in Thendralo Theeyo, completely different from the above one.
PS: The link you gave is not for Vizhigal Meeno, both the links were for for vaan meethile :smile:
Thank you V_S for pointing out the error, fixed it :-)
There was some connection disturbance at the time of posting and the first time the url got missed and I added it during the edit, the later ctrl-c from the buffer possibly came in :oops:
#121 தென்றலோ தீயோ
(ராகங்கள் மாறுவதில்லை, 1983 )
Very sweet song (audio quality in this link is quite poor, please don't go by that - awesome really!) The KJY Malayalam song that I got introduced recently - 'rithu bEdha kalpana' - featuring Shanthi Krishna and her ex-hubby, 1984 - sounds very similar to this song. There are some string sections indicating the turmoil in the mind of the repentant "husband" but the sweeter sections are those lead guitar ones, IMO!
The rhythm arrangement is one of those IR-signature ones that I simply love! I will take any number of songs with this kind of orchestration and can never get tired of it! If I'm allowed to have a CD containing 15-20 songs of this kind, I can possibly survive years of prison sentence / banishment in a forbidden place etc :-) Unfortunately, this gem was given to an unworthy movie (Prabhu too got wasted there, possibly he thought he had some opportunity to do a negative role like what his dad had done in the past but the overall treatment was miserable...I don't know whether that movie was remake of some Malayalam movie as Mammootty used to do such roles quite often, ofcourse with consummate ease).
SPB is so sweet in this song, starting from the humming, keeping the mildly pathos tone without going too dramatic. Whenever I hear this song, I can't control my laughter when the phrase 'naLai malarum kAdhal makanAl nyAyam varumO' :lol: (For those who have neither seen the movie nor know the story, there was no "kAdhal" in that child-bearing)...
There were two more songs from this illai movie by SPB but don't deserve separate posts here as they were quite average and weren't that popular either. (Such songs typically get more air time if the movie becomes a big hit but with a poorly made one, they won't make it to the grades that this collection goes by). Those were "en kAdhal dEvi, nee ennil pAdhi" solo & "nALellAm nalla nALu ennai nee pArththadhAlE" duet with SPS. So, skip button for them in this compilation.
Actually, in our hostel, the cracking dappAnguththu Ey alangAri sung by SPS/MV had more play time. The mELam during the first interlude which also gets used as the background for the pallavi in the later part of the song simbly rocks!
I'm taking a small detour, to keep the 1983 classic as the last movie of the year - even though it came during the summer & alphabetically ahead of a few others as well.
So, a few more light-weight songs to continue.
#122 ஒன்னும் தெரியாத பாப்பா
(சூரக்கோட்டை சிங்கக்குட்டி, 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
Another Prabhu song, from a relatively more successful movie (regardless of any content, AVM masAlA IIRC). I haven't watched this movie - after seeing those "sets" on the posters, decided strongly against it. Despite the album featuring that sweet PJ-PS number, kALi dAsan, kaNNa dAsan, kavidhai nee . It seems that soft song was a Prabhu-Silukku number on screen. dhool guys made enough fun of this movie & kALi dAsan. Also, the director seems to be Rama Narayanan (another rare combo with IR, after kaNNE rAdhA, how many did they do together? Definitely less than 5 I think) which means avoidable, forgettable movie!
In any case, the SPB-SJ-Chorus number is quite peppy, with some nice drum work here and there. Poor man's "iLamai idhO idhO" I think. With horrible lyrics. The song was played on radio / buses / teakkadai etc, quite often those days, and can be considered a sumAr hit. This movie should have been after kOzhi koovudhu - where silukku got paired with Prabhu successfully. As I mentioned earlier, TF had this habit of blindly following successes in search of a formula, to torture people. One such torture was this movie perhaps.
Many Thanks app, really enjoying Thenrala Theeyo song. Very very familiar tune but I can't remember this song. Is there any song IR produced with same tune?
#123 வா வா பக்கம் வா, பக்கம் வர வெட்கமா
(தங்க மகன், 1983 , வாணி ஜெயராமுடன்)
Historically, the top most "TFM-deepAvaLi" for IR should have been this 1983. He had movies with ALL the biggies in the industry - Rajini / Kamal / Shivaji (MV started doing pinnaNi for him and so IR got back to composing for NT).
All three movies were 100+days runners. All had super-duper-hit songs. We'll do them one by one alphabetically. To start with, thanga magan, that featured a rare Rajinikanth - Poornima Jayaram combo. (Possibly to "match" the Jayaram name, Vani Jayaram got two songs in an IR album after quite some time). MGR-RMV-Sathya movies production hired A Jagannathan to direct this masAlA. Interestingly, this director who did some remakes in the past, wasn't that much in the limelight those days but suddenly had two deepAvaLi release projects with Rajini / Shivaji - big banners, top-selling artists, Ilayaraja music etc. Quite unusual, possibly MGR had a hand in them :roll:
thanga magan was perhaps the most-played-album in the hostel, in that "already-talked-about-national-panasonic-stereo-player", often in blasting volume! This vA-vA-pakkam-vA song used to be my most fav those days (though not featuring SJ, my most fav)! Ofcourse, I didn't like that 'anybody can kiss me' etc business that happens in the end - then and now - but rest of the song was so "hip" when it arrived:-) It was IR's own brand of disco, his own unique sounds and not imitating any of the then-popular bands, IIRC.
SPB rocks in this song! What a lovely singer we're blessed with! Often we lament at the life-time earnings of worthy composers such as MSV / IR, comparing with how people in other countries with a fraction of that talent make. Those who do < 0.01% of MSV/IR's output and still make a fortune many times over what these legends ever had.
The same is applicable to SPB too I think...he wouldn't have seen the money some western singers made / make - who do only a very few songs in their lifetime, that too those that get tossed off in a few weeks!
App, bang on! :clap: Well said. Very true about the earnings of true composers and singers that time. I heard MSV/KVM worked for some meagre amounts. And how many films IR did for free and also just on belief they would pay him later. I also heard that still today, some producers owe to IR. And can we spot out the difference in quality/contribution from these legends. No chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
nanRi V_S!
Located the vA vA pakkam vA youteeb, not great pic quality but there seems to be no better ones there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVu21UD2K4o
By 1983, disco was outdated in fact. Thanks to Michael Jackson, the breakdance was catching on. IR must have known this and did not succumb to the typical disco sound (basically danceable funk), unlike his Northern counterparts which were churning out outdated crap. That's why IR's pop numbers are still listenable today. His work does not age.
Thanks again for the hardwork, app. Here's another song where poor Poornima was "victimised" by Rajini :evil:
groucho070 :-)
I don't remember clearly the timing part but Poornima should have already been serious with KBR (dating / marriage / engagement kind) as they were in love right from darling-darling-darling days. This movie was possibly something like what was alai pAyuthE to Shalini :wink:
Interestingly, another movie where Rajini didn't enjoy a male solo - all were duet songs (male-female or female-female) :-)
#124 ராத்திரியில் பூத்திருக்கும் தாமரை தான் பெண்ணோ
(தங்க மகன், 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
TFM lyricists and composers have been strong in one department traditionally - that of making a completely AbAsamAna song feel like "hey, nothing of that sort is in this song". This one is such a specimen, loaded with all kinds of maRRa stuff but sounds like a sweet love duet:-) (Someone might say, well, isn't "love" mostly about "that"...obviously that is out of syllabus for this thread :wink: Suffice to say there had been a lot of "corridor talks" in the hostel on this song.)
That apart, what a lovely melody! And excellent singing by SPB-SJ! And phenomenal orchestration, especially the prelude -I love it - one that takes me into some dream world instantly - rAsA is a magician here. This is one of those songs where even people who don't regularly follow prelude-interlude etc can recite them / identify the song right when the first note starts playing etc.
The song almost sounds semi-classical, though not having the swara biz, possibly because of the chorus parts - someone please post the rAgA and other nuances, innovations in that area.
Most people who had the thanga magan songs recorded in TDKs had this song as the first one, don't know why - may be the first song on the first side of the LP that prompted the recording center fellow to follow the order. Or, may be the most loved song by many when the movie arrived. It was #2 for me after vA vA...the order of preference of those 4 great duets have changed over the years and I'll post the current order at the end of the 4th song.
The movie thangamagan had two golden boys - one Rajini and the other one Raaja...
Took out VM's name, I'm not 100% sure whether it was him or vAlee...
I always thought it was VM - going by the prayOgams like 'sElai chOlai', 'rAja sugam' etc. However, there're some sites that credit the kuRumbu vAlee...someone please post who actually wrote the lines.
I'm surprised to see that the SPB-special-blog too has a very similar observation on maRRa content :
:lol:Quote:
இந்தப் படத்தில் பாடல்கள் நன்றாக இருக்கும். பின்பு ஆணவம் "அடங்கிய" பூர்ணிமா ரஜனியை - தமிழ் சினிமா பார்முலாபடி - காதலிக்க, இந்த அருமையான பாடல் வருகிறது. காதலின் தீபமொன்று மாதிரியே மிக இனிமையாக அமைந்த பாடல். என்ன.. கா.தீபமொன்று தனிப் பாடல். இது டூயட். பாலுவும் ஜானகியும் பாடியிருக்கிறார்கள. இரண்டாவது சரணத்தின் வரிகளும் சரி (வாலி), காட்சியமைப்பும் சரி - மகா விரசம்!
என்னமோ போங்க! பாலுவுக்காக, ராஜாவுக்காக, ஜானகிக்காக - மற்றதை மறந்துவிட்டு பாடலின் இனிமையில் லயிக்கலாம்.
So, the credit goes to Valee :-)
The song was cited by someone (dont remember the author) to showcase Raaja's maturity in using a soga raagam (subapanthuvaraali ?) for a Louuu situation.. Raga experts. confirm pls.
App, it was pulamaipiththan I think.
Idhi hamsanandhi allO?
ok. is hamsanandhi considered gloomy mood song or a 'mood song' (that Raaja has made it to be)?
adhi nAkku goddhillA.
But other Hamsanandhis for reference:
vEdam aNuvAnuvuna naadham
Actually, that is all I know.
Does look lilke used for heavy duty emotions(complexity high). Maybe not quite normal for infatuation and luvs
விரச கவிஞர் வாலி. வளர்ந்தது அப்படி, கண்ணதாசனோட போட்டி :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
@ஜெய்கணேஷ், வாழ்த்துக்கள்
OhO, PulamaippiththanA? Interesting...
dhool has an article on this by Venkat in Murasu font that I don't have anymore... If someone can post a brief summary, it would be nice...
Neenga Poornima Fan ah ? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
App anna , Great Going, Great write ups, very expressive writtings :thumbsup:
nanRi, Param!
1983 was the "middle order batting" of the college innings and tons of hours were spent in the hostel listening to music in groups with a lot of discussions / analysis / arguments etc.
#125 அடுக்கு மல்லிகை
(தங்க மகன், 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
The flute / violin / tablA / santoor sweetie! SJ switches to a very different kuRumbu voice here while SPB sings with a lot of "srungAra rasam". Ofcourse, another bedroom song but even with some mukkal munagals this one doesn't sound as virasam as rAththiriyil, for some reason. Nicely brings in a rich country side to mind -some rich bungalow located in the middle of a coconut grove which is on a river side. Well-watered, green, breezy kind of a setting that invites one for a lazy evening fun with lover on the huge corridor, with no one around!
Well, if one had imagined things like these prior to watching the movie (which I did), terrible jolt in the theater (which too I expected). IIRC, it turned out to be another silukku number. Looking back, one can understand how much clout she had with the distributors - demanding an important timeslot for her in the movies of even the biggies of the field. bayangarams!
I remember posting in the "last-heard-IR-song-thread" about a south-TN MSV fan who started appreciating IR with this number. I can still hear him in my mind - singing aloud in the hostel "mAmpoovE eLam poongAththE, mArbOdu enaiththAlAttE"! He had such a sweet voice and singing capability, we often pushed him to sing and enjoy the occasions! Interestingly, his name too had "gold" in it :-)
One occasion which I clearly remember with this song is when the prelude started in a town bus when my stop arrived. Could not let it go (the bus had such a great sound system and the bass was sounding great as was the treble) and there was no question in my mind of getting down. Possibly a "TsT" bus - a company that ran many town buses in Trichy those days. Student life had so much of vetti time and I could afford to travel until the song was over and return to my destination by another bus :lol:
App,
Wonderful description and memories :clap: Especially I liked the portions when you intentionally missed your stop just to hear this song Definitely a song not be missed on any occasion. Waiting for this song App :smile:
I had a different experience about this whole film and songs. We had one neighbor and close family friend (even now) of big family just opposite to our house (now they shifted), when I was doing my school. They were really crazy hard core Rajini fans and they hate Kamal like anything. :smile: We used to have conversations about who is doing better and the usual ones.
Every Rajini film they used to go first day and they never forget to take us every time. Those were beautiful times when we used to see some wonderful Rajini films that too with them who enjoy each and every moment of the film. Films include Thanga magan, Sivappu sooriyan, Kai kodukkum kai, Nallavanukku Nallavan, Thaai veedu, Thambikku entha ooru, Padikkaathavan and lot more. Slowly we also got addicted to Rajini.
But this is one of the first films we went with them. Especially during the start of this song, everyone whistled. The makeup of Rajini with peculiar glasses, even though it was funny, it was those moments that could not be explained, but that defined my youth. Too good! When silk enters the room, Rajini will kick his feet and bite his tongue with that vetkam and puts his hand over mouth (vaayile 'avva' pottukarthu, you got it?). They used to pick these scenes and compare with Kamal and challenge if your Kamal can do this. It somehow comes very natural to him. One of Rajini's best acting exhibition. :notworthy: What a jubilant personality!
It's sad we don't see such natural acting talent nowadays in any actor, except a very few.
Again SPB in this song, wow!. See how he sings the charanam 'naan vaaren puthu paai podu nalthorum iLa neerodu' in open throated voice. No inhibition. And the beats after 'adukku malligai'. SJ tantalizing everyone with her singing skills. As you said, the munagals by SPB in pallavi after charanam and similarly SJ during last pallavi. It's a steal and no deal!
My top song of the film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsC-QkCbNTQ Just watch the whole song just for Rajini's acting. Unforgettable!! Why don't they make these kind of films now?
Nice write-up, V_S!
While I'm amazed at the ease with which Rajini can do such scenes, the overall setting is quite unpalatable to me :-(
Ofcourse, the subtitles on that youtube provide instant :rotfl:
#126 பூமாலை ஒரு பாவை ஆனதோ?
(தங்க மகன், 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
What a song! A total biriyAni-vadai-pAyAsam virundhu!
Despite the minor cost saving on using SPB to also mouth the "irritated audience shout" part, a grand song in every count. The orchestration that freely uses majestic trumpeting sounds, exuberant tune, variety of genres packaged in one song while maintaining the TFM-spirit, joyful singing by the celebrated pair - once again, what a song! It will sound RDB-ish / MSV-ish / IR-ish and many other -ish depending upon how one wants to view the song as it has shades of all of them, IMO, but stand startlingly unique. Not many songs in a similar rich format -prior or after- by IR himself, IMO.
Pity it had to be that way on screen - that groucho keeps resenting about. masAlA directors & imagination are poles apart it appears. And makes one wonder how such an environment let a highly complex composer with a lot of creativity survive. Interesting facts of nature :wink:
Every time the lead guitar - claps - tabla -northie sounding part of 1st interlude got played in that national panasonic audio in the hostel, I've seen boys going delirious! I still don't know how I preferred vA vA pakkam vA to this song those days as the top one.
Ofcourse, my top pick from that album - after all the initial fad weaned away. Now, my order of preference of gold son songs are exactly reverse to the order I posted them in this thread :-) firstu poo mAlai, secondu adukku malligai, thirdu rAththiriyil (see, all SPB-SJ) and lasttu vA vA pakkam vA. I don't think it's a question of personal SJ-bias, this is the natural way these songs aged in my case.
Jai,Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
I think that was for "Aayiram thamarai mottukkale"
BTW, App_engine :clap: :mytakku:
nanRi, B(K)!
youtube of "a garland changed as a girl" (funny subtitles for all the gold son songs) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzwoBGQ_KQw
Very well written for a superb song App! :thumbsup: Loved that 'interesting facts of nature' :smile:
For a disco song, Maestro utilizes tribal style arrangements except for the finishing. deivame :D: Amazing syncopation! Yes the rhythm arrangements little bit resembles RDB's Mehabooba (sholay). Maestro inserts qawwali in between which is a again brilliant one!
app, one of the best for Rajini that IR provided. Grand coverage of Thanga Magan.
Hard core fan of Rajini then as I mentioned before. The guy who says "pOtti pAttnnu sollittu..nalla kadhayA keedhE" was a neighbour and brought passes to the premiere of the movie for us. I remember seeing RM Veerappan(not sure how he is connected), Silk Smitha and K Bhagyaraj. Cant remember seeing Rajini in the premiere.
nanRi, V_S & Plum :-)
RMV = Sathya movies i.e. producer of thanga magan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
(Possibly he was with MGR right from Sathya Studio days as manager and over a period of time, took it over completely...his Rajini connection later led to the famous 'oru thadava sonnA - bAshA', 'vedi kuNdu culture in TN' speech & the 'even God cannot save TN' muzhakkam...)