KH's contribution to most of his movies is humongues, excessive. Athu ungalukku ஏற்ப்புடையதா இல்லை ங்குறதுக்காக, குறைச்சிக்க முடியாது, மத்தவங்க அந்த வேலையை செஞ்சதாக க்ரெடிட்டை ட்ரன்ஸ்ஃப்ர் பண்ண முடியாது.
KH's contribution to most of his movies is humongues, excessive. Athu ungalukku ஏற்ப்புடையதா இல்லை ங்குறதுக்காக, குறைச்சிக்க முடியாது, மத்தவங்க அந்த வேலையை செஞ்சதாக க்ரெடிட்டை ட்ரன்ஸ்ஃப்ர் பண்ண முடியாது.
Did I transfer the credits? Wasn't it your idol who called him director?Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Please go question him - why question me? :confused2: I'm only trying to justify what KH has awarded to SB :-)
(BTW, remake / copy / etc are applicable to many star directors too. pAvam SB - avar avvaLavu periya fish illai :-) Also, from a 1980 POV, panneer pushpangaL is phenomenal)
See, what did SB contribute on his own, without kamal, was my question. If you say Panneer pushpangal was great, i have no issues. In fact , i can only feel happy that one of KH's friend is also doing good. But that doesn't mean that he has ownership for movies like Guna, Mahanadhi etc. The word dummy may sound rude and one may wonder why the heck should kamal use near-proxies. All that could be said, but NO Credit Transfer, even if he is named as Director. The points you and TA made are in applicable and false ones. Thassaal.
if u guys give a title for the point u speak for/against, it would be easy to understand who is on which side...
ta,
andha screenplayku edhuna link irundhaa kudunga... naangalum padikkirom...
It was not definitely on the internet. Somewhere else may be a magazine or book itself. It has been several years. Anyway if I come across that I will definitely let you know though. Kamal's screenplay was very very elaborative and hardly gives anything for creativity of director.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftSword
Above all it is a common sense to me.
ok SKV, you seem to have a lot of insider information about SB's (non)contribution to mahAnadhi & gunA.
So much so that you don't agree with even KH (who adjudged that SB should be so credited).
Kamalai vidavE ungaLukku SB paththi neRaya therinjirukku :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by SoftSword
I don't think there's any lack of clarity.
Well, anyways, let me only clarify my stand :
-Defending SB, whom I consider decent material and confident that he did "enough" to be called as a director for the movies that credit him so. Regardless of how much input he got from Kamal and other sources.
got u app... u r talkin for sb, sakala for kh, i am still confused with ta... few days back he said he is convinced that sb did mahanadhi and guna... today he says kamal has written the screenplay so elaborate for mahanadhi like even camera angles, which means sb had very less to contribute... ta, pls explain... nandhaan sariya purinjukkalayaa?
Movies like Pesum Padam, movies where Singeetham srinivas involved, we can consider he is not dummy and may be some extra contribution. Similarly, Ananthu too wud have some contribution. No doubt that even with them, the majority is from Kamal only. Both are pet friends of Kamal, Both os them contributed/shared thier experience to Kamal and also proudly looking at the greater contributions of kamal!
But the same cannot be said about Santhanabarathi, KS Ravikumar & Sundar.C
I disagree with KS Ravikumar though. KSR movies had his commercial stamps with lot of compromises in that movie and that was the exact reason Kamal asks KSR to direct his movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
I myself confused whom I am supporting. check your PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftSword
உங்களுக்கு ரொம்ப தாராள மனசுங்க :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
athaanE. KamalE director ivarthAnnu sonnathukku appuRam enna pechchungurEn. oththukkittu poga vEndiyathuthanE.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I agree and panneer pushpangal is very good example to get credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
They are surely minimal. And some areas kamal himself will give free hand. Like, choosing artists. You can see the KSR regualars in his Kamal combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamizharasan
In Dasa, he suggested the final song. But again, its design, content etc kamal's ideation is visible. Many think that the rape scene was there becos its KSR brand. Thats a wrong thought. There are KSR films without rape scenes, too :lol2:
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Originally Posted by tamizharasan
Inthaalu enna reason kaagavo pala naaLaa dummy directors use pannappoga, kadaisila, naanga bathil solla vendiyirukku. cha!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
For those who are not as dhArALam as SKV, some facts about Singeetham :
-He was born in 1931 (now 81) ; so, not "pet friend" but pretty senior to KH
-He won NA for a TF in 1974, years before KH became a mainstream hero (dhikkaRRa pArvathi based on Rajaji's story, *-ing Srikanth / Lakshmi)
-Of course majority of his works in TF had Kamal but he had achieved enough elsewhere without him (e.g. "mayoori" featuring the prosthetic legged dancer Sudha Chandran)
BTW, I don't think Ananthu had directed KH...(could be his buddy / wrote for the movies etc but never directed him IIRC).
Unlike SKV's attempt to not include SB, per that interview, he is also another buddy ("pet friend") to KH for 40 years or so.
Accordingly, Kamal values him. While HCKHF's don't care for him, may be because they feel KH should get 100% credit for what they consider as two of his best-ever films and that this SB fellow has "robbed" him of that.
Unfortunately, KH himself doesn't think so and there ends the story.
this is what TR would have said in response to your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
ungalukku venumnA ivanga Dummy.
Ana ivanga thAn en Attathukka kidaichcha muthal Rummy.
KSR made tenaali story for Rajini. But kamal took it and made his own. Ithu ellaam already well discussed in kamal threads. As fans, audience, kaila kedaikkura ovvoru bit news um vechi, credits ai evvalavu deep aa pirikka mudiyumO, avvalavu clean aa pirichi koduthirukkom. But in this case, ivanga kitta, enga nermaiyai kaattura alavu worth illai. KamalE sonnaupram enna pechu vendi kidakku" nnu solravanga kitta ennatha pesa mudiyum?!? :huh:
Naan solrathai kekkura levella app_engine illai! So let me put it this way! After some point, whatever movies SB and Singheetham made without kamal, most of them actually had some influences fromthe kamal ones! Though not strictly limited to the movies where they did combo, but non-combo movies too! Egampul for SB already given. For Singheetham, that Jyothika movie where hero will become miniature!
Ithellaam eppdinga sirikkaama post panna mudiyuhtu?!? Great, nga!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Another proof is in Panneer Pushpangal all the characters wore cotton based dresses. And based on that cotton they formed the discussion between kamal and doctor in Guna where Kamal tries to blow the cotton up and proved that he is different and normal gravity does not work to him. These kind of deep thoughts only SB possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Now you are getting personal with app.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Hub ukku regular aa varavendiyavanga athigamaa varrathillai
Thideernu varra silar(and those with agenda(note pannittu thaan irukkom saar :lol2: )
shabbaa!
We can discuss ever on this topic and we will never come to conclusion on who directed those movies. So we should give benefit of doubt to what was shown on the title card. Agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
TA - frabu
App - Annan
Me - Thambi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXFtTTT4c2M
SKV and others - my take on this: Kamal's inputs prior to 1987 were mostly in the form making a director's job totally easy, by giving far more than what they wanted from him as an actor
He evolved gradually until 1987 and rapidly after Nayagan, with his inputs technically, script-wise increasing manifold times thereafter - thats why his films with Singeetham or SB took a different light thereafter - Singeetham made 'Aditya 369' in 1991-92 in telugu - a fantasy film, which was nowhere near any of the films he did with Kamal! Kamal did make a huge difference!
Kamal simply meruketrufied / enhances the natural abilities of Singeetham or SB, post 1987 - the same goes for Suresh Krishna (Sathya, Indran Chandran, Abhay - all of which had kamal penning either the screenplay, or, giving inputs in other departments such as music etc) - there was one more guy GB Vijay who directed 'Kalaignan' - obvious it was kamal's film all the way with GBV doing maybe some 'edubidi' work!
i think in case of SB, or, SK, or, Singeetham, or Bharathan - Kamal's scripting plus Kamal either directing them to direct - "listen, this is how i want it to be; how can we add to the aesthetic of the final product ? i leave it to you to handle that - just make sure that it meets my vision" - and persuading them to get what he wanted
GB Vijay's first movie "NaaLaiya Seithi" was better than Kalaignan.. I think Kamal had given free hand to GB Vijay..Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Kalaignan doesn't feel like a Kamal movie at all.Even his acting is quite shoddy.
Vijay's movie naaLaiya seidhi is quite underrated.
A song Raja composed for Marudhanayagam! Audio quality is sumaar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avvPijSTehs
app_engine
I've heard from a couple of people that SB's contribution was minimal. Samosa saapidum level (maybe an exaggeration but that was the drift). Obviously, you don't have to buy that. However, the product itself should give you a good indication, right? Kamal's signature as compared with SB's other ventures before and after. Plus, Kamal "crediting" SB doesn't change much in this argument one way or another, does it? What does "credit" here mean? And would you actually expect Kamal not to credit the director here :lol: ? Above all, you've obviously heard the Guna tape (may be staged, still...) and the famous "adhu, oru karuthu".
BTW, where does the writing vs directing debate between KG/PR stand now?
Sahala
Mikka nandri for the updated on the Raaja conneksan program, especially for the Marudh video. Will check out the video later. Unga karuthu on this?
whoy yA? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
My definition of 'all encompassing writing' is theoretical and does not exist in the real world-nu mudivu aagi samaadhaanamA pOyi, aNNan thambiyA vaazhndhukittu irukkOm.
Anyway, question does not apply to Kamal, as he actively directs and creates the cinematic moments.
As you said - title card means nothing. Judge by comparative statics - keep everything else the same in that group and remu Kamal. Most useful yardstick.
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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Sidhar song from Raaja = Sure WinQuote:
Originally Posted by rajaramsgi
Inga discuss pannadhungala, illa twitter liya? :oops: Sramam illenna link edacham kudukka mudiyumaannu paarungaQuote:
Originally Posted by P_R
panakkaran - maratthavechavan song sidhar vagaila seradha?
:oops: Actually enakkum indha kostin irukku, whats the actual definition of sithar songs. "Pichai Paathiram" of this type? Romba idhuva sithar songs statement adichutten. "Maratha vechavan" aligns with my vision/sound of sidhar songs and is exactly the kind i'm talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by SoftSword
I think it was with equar and k_g somewhere here only. thEdippArkkuREn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Even though it is settled, every now and then, I make it a point to shout 'writing is first because it happens first' in their general direction and disappear.
flausafical... shoulder'la thappattai vechu thattikittae olagatthula pOdra ovvoru noball'kum commentry kudukradhu...
sidhdhar songs-na rhythm vONAvA?
General philosophy, mood ellAm pArththA ekkachekkam irukkumE... thaayuNdu thandhai uNdu petRor illE etc.