Like I indicated before, this will be the last movie that'll get posted for the year 1983, even though alphabetically and chronologically ahead of many (came in the summer) :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
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Like I indicated before, this will be the last movie that'll get posted for the year 1983, even though alphabetically and chronologically ahead of many (came in the summer) :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Before I jump into the next song, another observation on the 'thoongAthE' song, that supports the theory of deliberate MGR-ism, even from IR's part - that portions of the song draw heavy inspiration from MSV songs. One is 'nAn pAththA paiththiyakkArEn, Om pAttanukkum vaiththiyam pAppEn' of neethikkuththalai vaNangu for the pallavi (the song DMDK chief recently quoted when mu-kA ridiculed VK as paiththiyam).
The other one is a Sivaji song - 'jinjinukkAm chinnakkiLi sirikkum pachchaikkiLi' of rAjapArt rangadurai. 'pAththAkkA ALu romba muRukku' of the saraNam sounds very similar to 'thOlirukka soLa muzhungum ALu' in TTT saraNam...
#132 சோலைப்பூவில் மாலைத்தென்றல் ஆடும் நேரம்
(வெள்ளை ரோஜா, 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
Lovely song with a special rhythm arrangement. Song that instantly brings that evening feel - even the 70's evening feel despite being an 80's number. Possibly because I yearned to hear this number on SLBC a lot but alas that was not going to be in the coming years :-( ok, let me not get into the whole sOgam part when discussing this happy number...
veLLai rOjA, featuring Sivaji in dual role + Prabhu / Ambika + Suresh / Radha was another hit movie from 1983 deepAvaLi with rAsA music. That meant, a hit movie for rAsA with each of the three biggie stars (NT-KH-RK) released on the same day - which was quite a rare thing for any MD :-)
This one was supposedly a remake from Malayalam and I managed to see at "bhelec", after it ran out of steam in the main city theaters. Late seeing means having to listen to lot of hype prior. So, after all that hype about "murder-mystery" etc, got totally irritated while watching the movie. (Sivaji enjoyed playing multiple roles - 'dEvanin kOyililE' "vellai rOjA" priest, police inspector, 'nAgooru pEttaiyilE' disguise as muslim - but the director, same Jagannathan who did thangamagan, messed it up big time). Probably a much better original in Malayalam but I never cared to find out what it was.
Suresh-Radha song in excellent hilly / foresty setting with an exclusive "loop" created by rAsA. So sweet - seems he himself was proud of it as he included a brief postlude featuring that. The melodic prelude is one of his very best as well. A relatively long pallavi adds to the sweetness. Top star pair SPB-SJ delivering it with a lot of enthu - the "nana nana nana nana na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na" humming in the end of the saraNam is exquisite - making this song stay in mind forever. There's such a perfect sync between that humming, the rhythm, the overall background score -AhA- mesmerizing!
Sure they don't make songs like'em anymore!
Edjactly ..What a song ..Thanks App for the song and the nice write up ..Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
#133 ஒ மானே மானே மானே உன்னைத்தானே
(வெள்ளை ரோஜா, 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
Though this song got my 2nd rank only (i.e. after 'sOlaippoovil'), among the public it was the top hit . There was even a movie made with the first line as its title (Mohan-Oorvashi starrer where Kamal sang a song as pinnaNippAdakar for Mohan :shock:). Nice song, with the celebrated SPB-SJ pair singing in the 'made-for-each-other' mode, reverberated all around TN via radio / buses / tea-stalls / recording centers etc. Its rise to top spot at that time could be due to the Prabhu factor or better picturization (I don't remember how it looked like on screen). Whatever, it was more popular and I'm not complaining. ellAmE rAsAvOda puLLainga thAnE :-)
I remember posting about my next door hostelmate who was a big ambi chEchchi admirer (ok, on one side was the KBR fan who became a biggie in wireless telecom field - this mech engieer was on the other side). He was crazy during this time period -even having her pic in the room :shock: Though we used to watch a lot of movies, discuss about them all the time etc, it was unusual among my wingmates to host an actress poster in the room. Mainly because most of us were "studious" category and also "bayandhAnguLees for unexpected appA-ammA visit". adhaiyum meeRi if he had a poster, one can understand how much crazy he was! (Well, what I may never understand is how one can go crazy over ANY actress). IIRC, it was a Bombay Dyeing poster which was something like 50% of actual size. They released similar posters on most top actresses those days, in saree (another one I can remember is of Sridevi's), and such posters were quite popular in hostels.
There was also this craze for cricket star's posters - Sportstar was quite a rage then - and the clothing companies had such cricketer posters as well. I remember going to Trichy NSB road / TheppakkuLam area with a number of classmates and watched them beg the storewAlA for such posters. (More on the 1983 summer later). While on this, I should not forget mentioning the beloved ice cream shop in singArathOpe - Sea Kings (I think they had a branch in BHEL township also, like Chella stores). What a lovely place to go in that hot town when malaikkOttai radiates heat in the evening!
Much like rAsA song, another love those days :-) 'O mAnE mAnE mAnE' reminds me of Seakings' delights - though I don't think I ever heard that song in that shop.
UllEn ayyA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The film that made me a fan of Kamal.
The cassetes had the scenes before the particular songs. Like "Janagaraj: Oosipottukittu pengalOdu vilayadalAm. PengalOdu vilayAdittu OosipOttukalAm", Kamal, "Neengga Oosipodungga please", then straight to the phsychedellic opening of VAnam Keezhe song.
Tea kada bench fight, I fell in love. Of course, later I found out it was inspired by Jackie Chan's Drunken Master.
Mom dismissed it as KalyanarAman remake, not even the drug addict angle make her change her mind :sad:
As mentioned before, IR's version of nAnAga nAn illai felt better.
Songs were played in a mall back in hometown (deepavali time), Varuthu Varuthu stood out.
App, kalakkurEngga. The MGR connection makes sense, as we were MGR fans then, and it was easy to fall for Kamal here.
App, oh mane mane being a bigger hit = ambi chechi factor. Ask grouse.
Thangai never reached akka's levels of popularity maong adolescent youth, although, much as I am frightened by her boxer shoulders, I too think better of thangai rather than Chechi
Oru vagaiyila, yes. But that was the time when Sivaji-Oda payyan (local paper Q&A on him said, "pulikku piranthathu...") fascination was growing. I was already a fan from Kozhi Koovuthu. Imagine the anti-circle. Prabhu->Kamal->Rajini->Sivaji.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
App,
Nice recollection of college times. I too remember having some posters of Madonna, Whitney and even Samantha fox ('touch me' song was so famous that time) in our room. But we used to remove those posters in a hurry when my parents or relatives arrive.:smile: We used to purchase the weekly 'Sun' magazine that time where it will feature top (US/UK) 10 songs and albums and we immediately go the shop and record those songs.
I remember seeing this film thrice in theatre especially for that Radha/Sivaji murder suspense, during the interval Another freezing moment. May be that was the first time I saw such a thrilling movie. App, My favorite too is 'Solai Poovil' then only comes 'Maane Maane'.
வெள்ளை ரோஜா.. அசத்தலான கதை. பாதிரியார்...கொலை..திருப்பங்கள்..புலனாய்வு..காதல். . இப்படிப் பட்ட கதைக்களம் அப்போ புதியது. "ஓ மானே மானே"... இன்ஸ்டன்ட் ஹிட். எனக்கு உலகமெலாம் பருவமழை, நாகூர் பக்கத்துல பாடல்கள் ரொம்ப பிடிக்கும். அதுக்கு அப்புறம் ஓ மானே மற்றும் சோலைப்பூவில்... வெள்ளை ரோஜா என்றவுடனே ஞாபகத்திற்கு வருவது சாட்சிகளை வரிசையாக நிற்கவைத்து திருடனை கண்டுபிடிக்கும் காட்சியில் காவலர் சிவாஜியின் முகப் பாவனைகள். சிறந்த நகைச்சுவைக்கு இதையும் பரிந்துரைக்கலாம்.
Good point V_S - first thriller type movie for someone of my age(assuming you are closer to mine). Actually, heck, idhellAm childhood-la best film I have ever seen range.
And that Ambi Chechi/Radha difference was how, for a long time, I assumed Grouch is older than me by few years(which turned out to be wrong). In our family, the Ambi Chechi fans were all cousins who were 2-3 years older than me. Cousins of my age were of Radha perusasion. I was the exception with neither as my favourite. So, in an unthinking way, I tag Ambi Chechi die-hards to my cousins' age.
Plum,
I think you should be younger than me. :smile: I was studying 10th grade when I saw Vellai Roja (November/December 1983). Guess my age. :wink:
Also, Ambi chechi craze was there till I reached college. After that it slowly died down. Due to new environment and first year ragging'leye ellaam marandhu pocchu :smile:
க்ரவ்சோ, ப்ளம், வெங்கிராம் மற்றும் வி எஸ்,
உங்கள் கமெண்ட்டுகளுக்கும் தூ.த.தூ. மற்றும் வெ.ரோ. பற்றிய விவரங்களுக்கும் மிக்க நன்றி :-)
தீபாவளிக்கு வந்த பெருசுகள் படங்கள் முடிந்து விட்டதால் அந்த வருடத்தின் வேறு சில சிறுசுகளுக்கு செல்லலாம் :-)
#134 என்னம்மா கோபம்? ஏனிந்த வேகம்? பொன்னான பூமுகம் என்னாகும்?
(வீட்டுல ராமன் வெளியில கிருஷ்ணன், 1983 )
Another sweet guitar -synth number, typical of the early 80's stuff, that IR delivered to this Manivannan movie (possibly a remake from Telugu or vice-versa). SPB as usual at ease and smooth as he didn't have to stretch a lot for this number IMO. Possibly finished the assignment in < 10 minutes (as he had to race and finish all those 1000's of songs within a short period of time to get into guinness book). While he effortlessly delivers it, he makes sure all his touch / punches are appropriately in place:-) (BTW, is rAsA in guinness book yet?)
This song was a moderate hit, more known than the movie. On radio often and also occasionally on buses / tea shops, definitely found a regular place on the TDK cassettes that got feverishly recorded those days.
I remember watching this movie in Trichy a week or so after the release and rated it to be average. Sivakumar / Radhika starrer, the villain caught the eye with his above-average performance. I don't remember his name but possibly the same acted as villain in the Mammootty - Sumalatha hit 'niRakkoottu' (somewhat similar role, eyeing another man's wife). And, nice performance by Radhika, she is quite a capable actress.
In 1983, we've already crossed the number of songs from any year prior!
32 certified hits already and we have a few more to go :-) What a colossal year!
If one cares to look at rAsA filmography for that year, he/she can appreciate how many more hits rAsA had that didn't feature SPB.
simbly ruling!
That's good number App! I don't remember hearing this at all. Thanks for introducing.:smile: I am seeing rakkamma site after a long time, it seems they have updated the site recently. Earlier when I went to this site i remember seeing around 50-55 films in 1990/92, now it has gone upto whopping 64 films. Need to check again. Thanks for linking the site as well.
sOlaippoovil youtube (here the ammA looks like mOL, similar eyebrow etc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVXKF8A7DHc
O mAnE mAnE mAnE unnaiththAnE youtube (ambi chEchi's hurried dancing is always funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX15cmI00fI
We are undeterred, app, undeterred :smile: Thanks for the links.
Plum, by the by, it was not these films I fell for her, it was earlier, to be precise, Andha 7 Naatkal. The song, "Thendral Vanthu...". But I saw that film possibly in 1983 (two years later in video cassette). What an awesome year it was.
Three songs due on Monday (for Sat/Sun/Mon)...with so much to do in the long weekend (including a nice long sleeeeep), I'll struggle a bit to catch up :-)
App Anna
I am unable to post "regularly" for the next couple of weeks, due to office changes, please continue your gigantic service :notworthy:
There are two other SPB songs from veettula...movie that cannot be called hits, possibly heard a few times on radio but I have to really stretch the memory...so, skip. Just for ref, one is a duet with SPS 'Atthuppakkam thOppirukku' and another solo 'manamum guNamum'.
So, moving on to another movie for the song for Saturday...
#135 மார்கழிப்பார்வை பார்க்கவா தாமரைக்கைகள் சேர்க்கவா
(உயிரே உனக்காக, 1983 , ஜானகியுடன்)
What a sweet and soothing song from an unreleased movie! This one was among the last few numbers that managed to get airtime in IOKS before we lost it. Prior to the "recording center era", IOKS was the sole source for songs from unreleased movies. However, as seen in this thread, we had the recording centers mushroom during early 80's and this monopoly had gone. Most ardent IR admirers who had access to cassette players feverishly captured every new disk coming out to the recording center on their TDKs. This song happened to be one like that and I remember hearing this on buses too (apart from homes).
As the movie didn't get released (supposedly a Prabhu-Sulakshana starrer) and the title got reused by Motherland pictures with Lakshmikanth Pyarelal as MD, the identity of this song somewhat got lost :-( ( Later-day-UU was the first MP movie without IR. The producer who started having 'ilAyarAjAvin innisai mazhaiyil' kind of ads on the posters for the first time, went away from him in 1986).
The confusion is captured by dhool Saravanan here in a tfmpage archive thread :
Needless to say SPB and SJ excel in this song!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saravanan
I have still 3 more songs to post to catch up.
Looks like it's time for the last movie of the year as I have exhausted all other movies from 1983 that had SPB hits :-)
Come on oceans, your confluence is on!
#136 வான் போலே வண்ணம் கொண்டு வந்தாய் கோபாலனே
(சலங்கை ஒலி, 1983, ஷைலஜாவுடன்)
Gavaskar duck, Srikanth duck, Mohinder / Sandip Patil / Yashpal all perished for single digits.
India 17/5 against Zimbabwe in a crucial league match in the 1983 Prudential Worldcup in England.
That was the day and time when our 3rd sem ejjAms were over and we were happily planning to go to the latest Kamal release in Kalai arangam theater in Trichy. (Don't remember whether it was already called 'Thiagaraja Bagavathar ManRam', it was a state / city owned theater). Every one of my first 7 semesters in the college had exams postponed - at least once. Same was the case with this 3rd sem too and we never had "post-exam" holidays. One way it was better because I could stay in hostel during the "study holidays", enjoying all the freedom that came with it.
Well, we knew that there are not many holidays before classes start again, so not wasted any time to start for the movie. There was neither any TV in the hostel nor live telecast anywhere. Only radio commentary. Since the matches were in England, we could happily use short wave radios to listen to 100% englees commentary from foreign stations (rather than suffering the 15 min englees - 15 min hindi kodumai by AIR).
On the 1983 cup, Indian team wasn't a favourite to even enter the semis but started off fabulously, beating the top seeded WI in the first league match and then Zimbabwe. Then came two losses - to Aus & then to WI and our spirit was down. Most of us did write them off and didn't care much. Since Zimbabwe also had a win against Aus, some of us were busy with calculators on the run rate business, wondering whether Kaps' boys will make it to semis.
And then came this disastrous start with Zimbabwe in the penultimate league match :-(
In any case, our enthu for the "movie-that-too-Kamal-movie-on-ejjAm-end-day" carried us to the town, with one in the gang not forgetting to carry his pocket transistor, checking the score even during the interval.
For some reason, I didn't have much idea about the movie, prior to watching it. Possibly because it was from a Telugu original (sAgara sangamam, for which IR won his first NA). There weren't much articles / titbits / hype in the magazines at all IIRC. Never heard the songs before. All that I knew was ejjAms are over, going to town, watching this Ilayaraja-Kamal movie! :-)
Meanwhile, Kapil started his historic innings while we were on the bus to Trichy and was in extreme form (terrific is an understatement, most of us know the rest of the history about his 175 n.o.).
Once inside the theater and the movie got started, I totally forgot the world around me! rAsA was in extreme form there! When Janaki starts to sing for ShailajA's dance program, appadiye oru mei silirppu! Can't express in words! And Kamal, AhA, in what extreme form! The whole crowd was delirious when he did the demo to Shailaja (panja boothangaLum muka vadivAkum)! Simbly stunning to see even the tumbler dance on the ground! What a powerful performance!
It was a day of extreme peelings for me - even thinking of that day makes my whole body silirththufy!
While totally loving the flute beauty of this song, it is needless to mention that we were also ROTFLing to the brilliant picturization by K Viswanath. Geeta gave excellent company to Kamal (as did SPS to SPB) in this evergreen 'vAn pOlE vaNNam koNdu'!
#137 நாத வினோதங்கள்
(சலங்கை ஒலி, 1983 , ஷைலஜாவுடன்)
Tell me if there's any who can listen to this song without tapping his / her feet - unless that person doesn't have them! (கால் இல்லாதவரும் தலையை மட்டுமாவது ஆட்டி அனுபவிப்பர் என்பது என் பணிவான கருத்து!) Even if they miss the pallavi, they got to feel like dancing when Shailaja starts the 'kayilai nAthar' portion - what a thuLLal melody with great accompaniment of mridhangam, flute, veeNai and a thorough classical feeling! A song that can be called arresting as I cannot allow my attention to defocus at any point!
Niwas did a fine job in this song of capturing the capabilities of Kamal and the beauty of Jayapradha (ennA azhagu avunga!). Relatively short song on screen but the disk version had the 'kAviri mangai vandhALammA ennudan kai veesi' portion together. If my memory is right, the radio used to play them together too. K Viswanath was quite smart in not including the folk-like portion in the movie part as that could have taken off some shine. (mEni / minukki / kulukki / mElAdai / vilakki etc business sounded very filmy / silly for kAviri mangai).
I haven't watched the Telugu original but when I watched the first time in theater, didn't feel it was a dubbed movie at all! I think the initial scenes featured Thamizh newspaper and they took enough care to do lip sync. It's highly possible that they shot in both languages separately for some scenes at least - as otherwise such an excellent picturization is extremely difficult.
App-Engine
The movied had 5 great SPB songs, your post said 3 more songs and hence made me wondering which film you are talking about
Yes surely one of the better dubbed movies. Sagarasangamam is a classic; Salangai Oli is no lesser in all aspects except for the dialogues and the so-called comedy track.
Great Job as always
I understand that you guys experienced only the dubbed version and such is the greatness of IR, still feel that it is a masterpiece.
Trust me, the original is 10 times the masterpiece that this is.
And the lyrics, app. Unfortunately, the tamil version has those thaLukki minukki lyrics. Original lyrics are authentic telugu folk, and while light on meaning, are sonorous and tune-apt. The lyricist, probably a spiritual cousin of Vaali, puts in a cheeky reference to "viswanatha palukai". You could take that as a reference to Lord Shiva or the Director.
And that tune itself was a separate song in Sitara(directed by Bharathiraja I think) starring Bhanupriya and Suman. (Kinnera saani vachindhamma)
Actually, this is not as bad as Geethanjali-IT, thanks to the presence of SPB in the tamil version. But once you have heard the original, the dubbed version is literally useless. Definitely the lyrics are a letdown.
And didn't veetula raman have a title song - not so much a song played during a title as one with the title as its pallavi - sung by SPB as well?
Veetula raaman veliyila krishnan eppodhum agaadhamma?
vEdam aNuvaNuvuna nAdham - vEdham aNuvilum oru nAdham. The former is a 'normal' phrase in Telugu. The latter looks strained and made up. These are the perils of dubbing but I can only state the net result.
Secondly the meaning, aNuvaNuvuna nAdham - nadham integrated into every cell of my soul. aNuvilum oru nAdham - meh, so distant, weak and diluted.
nA pancha prANala nAtya vinOdham - en aindhu pulangaLaiyum AtkoNda nattiyam ennum adhisayam
nAn pAdum something something nAtya vinOdham - dance strangeness in song I sing or something like that.
See the world of difference.
Again, the perils of translation. Remember the pramAdham-brahmAndam translation joke in Mumbai Express?
vaali, eh?
Vairamuthu illa? I thought it was him.
Oh avurA? venkkiram varradhukuLLa :yessir:
A good case study for the Telugu lyrics thread. I wish suresh/raagas take it up. I am fighting to keep my job :(
Sorry mate, collection illAtha thread-ukku election vaikka koodathu
(chumma rhyming-ku sonnEn).
idhukkellAm enna vekkam. collection illAdha thread dhaen. kalaisevainAlE idhellAm jagajam dhAnE
For folks like me, the lyrics translated well with the lip movement. In fact, the entire film doesn't feel like dubbed film, thanks to good writing and performance.
ippOdhaikku lyrics postidurEn. appuram discuss paNNalam
Quote:
vaagardhaaviva sampruttou vaagardhap pratipattayE
jagatahpitaram vandE paarvateeparamESwaram vandE paarvateepa ramESwaram
naadavinOdamu naaTyavilaasamu parama sukhamu paramu
abhinaya vEdamu sabhakanuvaadamu salupu parama padamu
bhaavamulO a.. bhangimalO a.. gaanamulO a.. gamakamulO a..
bhaavamulO a.. bhangimalO a.. gaanamulO a.. gamakamulO a..
aangikamou ee gati sEyaga
naadavinOdamu||
nee mada nee madanisa nee...................
kailaasaana kaarteekaana Siva roopam
pramidE lEni pramadhaalOka himadeepam
kailaasaana kaarteekaana Siva roopam
pramidE lEni pramadhaalOka himadeepam
navarasa naTanam darisanisanisaa jatiyuta gamanam
darisanisanisaa navarasa naTanam jatiyuta gamanam
sitagiri chalanam suranadi payanam bharatamaina naaTyam bratuku nitya nRutyam
bharatamaina naaTyam bratuku nitya nRutyam
tapamuni kiraNam taamasa haraNam
tapamuni kiraNam taamasa haraNam Sivuni nayana trayalaaSyam
dhirana dhirananana takiTa takiTatadhimi
dhirana dhirananana naatyam dhirana dhirananana takiTa takiTatadhimi
dhirana dhirananana laaSyam
namaka chamaka sahajam naTaprakruti paadajam
nartanamE Sivakavacham naTaraaja paada sumarajam
dhiranana dhiranana dhiranana dhiranana dhira .........
naadavinOdamu||
One important tid-bit:
This phrase
vandE paarvateeparamESwaram
This is sung as
vandE paarvateepa ramESwaram
That's interesting verbal gymnastics by the lyricist, Veturi Sundara Rama Moorthy, whom, if you cared to read the thread [Shameless Plug] IR Telugu Lyrics and Songs thread, is a recently demised famous, talented Telugu lyricist.
He was asked why the song is sung the way it is while it should be, on paper, the first phrase as it is.
He replied that it was a pun
vandE paarvateeparamESwaram - Namaskarams to Parvathi and Paramashivan.
vandE paarvateepa ramESwaram - Namaskaram to Parvathi's pathi Parameswaran.
Nice, delightful wordplay which - I bet - got lost in translation, although it was retained as it is.
I yam jumping the gun, but was the Takida Tattimi lyrics close to the Telugu one? It has traces of Vairamuthu all over it (en kathai ezhuthida marukkuthu en pena....kathal ennai kathalikkavillai [which he repeated in a Chandrabose song]).
No. I like the original lyrics better.
And love ennai love pannalai was for Hamsalekha not C Bose