Karthik's review: http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2009/12/...ugu-ilayaraja/
Karthik's review: http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2009/12/...ugu-ilayaraja/
I was thinking he will squash it as "tedious" or "out dated".Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
me 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by writeface
however. i still dont agree with milli , quarter, cutting reviews for music. I dont think there is a dearth of GigaBytes in the web world.
forget the synth usage - in 'suryakanthi' a beautiful tune such as 'chan chanare' is spoilt rotten by those 'dangu dingu dan dadang dang/cham chaku cham' chorus part - in the 1980s, it was ok, but this is 2009!! what the heck is happening ? what cud have otherwise been a complete album has been offset by these elements which am sure if IR had been more careful cud have been easily replaced with some interesting motifs - what i find glaringly missing are those lilting string motifs such as this here - http://www.mediafire.com/?gim2u5kwvtg - my question is why not replace these meaningless 'dang dings' with such motifs to make the score complete ? noone dare question IR's output quality thereafter!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
20 years since the 1980s, listening such stuff in otherwise well-composed tracks is plain embarassing
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Originally Posted by irir123
Wait for the situation to come out and then you will understand why he composed like that. He usually employs that for situations where the heroine is being introduced amidst kids(to illustrate her as a innocent and sweet girl). It sounds cool to me in a weird fashion.
The thing about you and many other listeners is you have grown strongly to accept his unpredictable rhythms and exemplary usage of live instruments in songs. You can accept synth provided it is more of a filler alongside a more manual rajaish tone but when it becomes the mainstay of the song you will get derisive even if there is nothing in it that sounds dated or embarassing. It is quite normal but saying it as embarassing is abit too far fetched and actually shows your fustration rather than a honest review.
You should try to listen closely to the backgrounds and you will realise that all these unpredictable rhythms and inimitable orchestration techniques are cleverly disguised in the synth. The thing about songs with synth as the backdrop is that they dunt sink in immediately or they tend to linger only for a short period of time. But thalaivar's synth usage as lots of unusual melody undertones within the main rhythm which it sort of endears itself to you even though there is a lack of live instruments. I think that itself is a experimentation. :D
Gokul / Jai,
I don't see any difference between forum members expressing their views here and with Karthik expressing his views. It is just that he expresses them in a blog. I don't see why that should make his views any more important than those of yours!!! I think we should take it in the spirit of 'one more view of the album' rather than "oh i was so expecting his review!!!" type of thing. As I said, it is just one point of view and which is in no superior or inferior to what is being discussed here.
irir123,
Let me take the case of the song your quote, 'chan chanare'. The whole song is tuned to remind me of the 80s. Just not the chorus part but the way the whole tune is structured reminds me of 80s Telugu songs of Raja. I just need to imagine Chitra or Janaki singing this and the picture of 80s in complete. The way the whole song moves, it is very clear that Raja has deliberately induced the 80s feel into it. Especially the accordion like sound which comes in the pallavi. If we view it that way, I find the chorus being very integral to this feel and not as something anachronistic. In that way the whole song is quite consistent.
I understand your argument from the viewpoint of a music listener of today who is brought up more of the western pop, rap and rock motifs. He / She may find this very old, un-modern etc and will probably discard the song without a second hearing. Atleast that is what we think. From that point of view, the song may be old fashioned, the chorus embarrassing etc. But then, we just cannot gauge what the public will like, can we? One of the Kannada songs that is requested and played often on FM here is 'madikeri sipayi', which has almost a 70s feel to it and everyone seems to be enjoying it. (I think it is from the movie, 'Amruthadhare' which came out a few years back.)
carefully listened to om shanti om again
chinna polike is an instant classic yes agreed
'flying over the moon' is good as well - but I still maintain that the other two tracks "ottesi chebutha" and "om shanti om" are pedestrian tune-wise and only some parts of the interludes are interesting
these things apart, IR is in full flow now - middling every other ball, with a stray streaky shot over slips (which some claim are deliberate a la tendulkar/sehwag, but i beg to differ) - i want him do a biggie say the kamal-mysskin combo!
i cant imagine what kamal wud bring out of IR in this rejuvenated state (he can extract the best out of IR even when IR appears to be down and out)!
if i had the money, i wud get him to do an album with tracks like the 'schindlers list' theme(john williams), an adagio (by samuel barber) like piece, and similar pieces totalling 6-8 and dedicate the album to the 1000s languishing in refugee camps in sri lanka - en kitta kasum kidaiyaadhu, vazhiyum theriyaadhu - enthusiasm mattumey irukku!
irir123,
Agree with you that the prospect of an IR-Kamal combination at this point of time is mouth watering indeed. As you said, at no point has this combo failed to deliver and given the current enthusiasm and flow in Raja's music, someone like Kamal will end up getting some outstanding stuff.
Another point I agree with you is about letting him get to do a private album. I don't agree with one aspect of what you say though :D I would not ask him to score 'like' some music that I had heard and let him do what he wants. That way we may get the most 'unlikely' music and we will enjoy it immensely :)
I think all of us share these two things in common. A passion and enthusiasm for his music and the lack of money power to do anything about promoting it :D Atleast you are doing much better than many us in terms of spreading his music.
btw, 'chal chalein' is a far superior album as a whole (compared to say 'nannavanu') in terms of sophistication of synth and jazz usage! donno why such an effort got wasted on a film tat came and went in the blink of an eyelid!
had even 2 of the 'chal chalein' tracks been used in a film with some big star in hindi, they wud have gotten the popularity they so richly deserve!