Neethane En Ponvasantham | Yeto Vellipoyindhi Manasu | Assi Nabbe Poorey Sau

Marubadiyum Marubadiyum, naan, "Raja Rahmaanai Subtle aa, aanaa kittathatta thannoda range kku, athaavathu same Pedestal la vechi pesinaar" ngrathukkaana egjaampuL ellaam post pannen. Raja Sattifikate ready pannuravanga, athai mattum kandukkave maatraanga. Thatswhy we call it bOngaattam

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Originally Posted by KV

If I've got them right, I think the bottomline of their argument also is kinda the same - why should there be a neeya-naana staged everytime he speaks in public? adhdhaan character certificate la 'BAD' nu pOtachu illa, appuram yen marka marka panchayathu? certificate renewal aa?

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Athaane! Naanellaam inge post pannaama padichitruntha kaalathulaye, "Mothalla avarkitta mike kuduthavanai solaNum" nnu sollittaangaLe! AFAIRemember, that was said by Devotees thaan, not neetral guys or Ethirkatchi.

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Originally Posted by SS"

yaarukku solringa...?
andha maadhiri oru line sivaji fans solli kaetta nyaabagam...

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Sorry, sariyAna post-ai quote paNNAma naan pEsiruka koodaadhu.
Now I am not able to find it :oops:

naan pEsinadhu neengaLum marandhurunga, naanum maRandhurrEn.

ungakitta oru argument vechaenae.. paakkalayaa...

Ilaiyaraja is Rolls-Royce of a composer that cannot help but profess in its own splendour and class in world of station wagons. Rather tip a hat to Daimler than being drawn to level-playing fields of imported Ford(s)..

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Originally Posted by SoftSword

P_R, arrogance'nu neenga solradha self-pride'nu edutthukkalaamaa??

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illai, arrogance-nE eduthukkalaam. Nothing wrong with the word/sentiment/attitude etc.
naan solla vandhadhE vERa. :sigh2:

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Originally Posted by SoftSword

oru artist'ku self-pride irukkanum illayaa... naan nallaa senjirukkaenu kooda nenakka koodaadhunu solringalaa...

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nevaire!
ayyA andha superiority cornflakes is very much part of the satisfaction.

maththapadi MSV yaarunnE enakku theriyAdhu.

ada pOppaa neeyellaam oru manusanaattam...

non-veg koodaadhunu solringa ok... muttaikooda setthukkamaattaen'naa epdi??

Raja had said that "ஒரு இசையமைப்பாளன், அவன் என்னதான் வெளில சொல்லிக்கிட்டாலும், அவனுக்கு மிக அதிகமா புடிச்ச கம்போசர் அவன் தான், வெளில சும்மா சொல்லிக்குவாங்க" At same time he had said "தண்ணி ஊத்திட்டே இருப்பாங்க, கங்கு அணையாம பாத்துக்கணும்"

And in this age of his, if he is able to convince and create expectation for an album like நெப்வு, then surely he has kept, keeping, and will keep that fire alive. இன்னும் பத்து வருஷம் கழிச்சி ஒரு மஹாவீர் வாசுதேவ நாயர் போய் கேட்டா, அப்பவும் நெப்வு மாதிரி அப்ப இருக்கக்கூடிய இளைஞர்களை கவர் பண்ணும்படியா கம்போஸ் செய்யவும் இந்தாளால முடியின்

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Originally Posted by senthilv.com

I'm just sharing some of my personal fav's of MSV's work in context of our discussion. Each song is tailored to the character and situation. MSV alone would probably never come-up this kinda of song. It is not home cooked song by thinking about music and innovation. Created by the team effort.

Also, totally no intention to discuss which/who is better, Just to show pure appreciation for the master. Sometimes it is good to go back and refresh.

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Nice shares, Senthil!

In a way, the youtubes you shared only added to my conviction that MSV depended on others for orchestration and that was one of the reasons he failed to be competitive in 80's progressively (and not because he wanted to "give-up" as imagined by SoftSword).

From those songs shared here, you can see what a lot of variations in standards (between the ones with Ramamoorthy around or Henry Daniel helping & otherwise).

For e.g., take the case of pattinappiravEsam's 'vAn nilA nilA alla' where Joseph Krishna was the 'udhavi' guy, the arrangements are so less harmonic. (It's more of ICM style - solo violin simbly following vocal - no consummate WCM arrangements there IMHO).

It's now known history that with the IR wave, there was steady decline of big-bud movies & revenue to MSV. It also meant some exodus of assistants from his camp. That was possibly the reason for inconsistencies in orch / arrangement standards (great sounds for ninaiththAlE inikkum but very sAdhA sounds for another KB project etc, there was no minimum guarantee for orch. Look at MSV's own production - mangaLa vAththiyam - how horrible the instrumental portions were, couldn't hire a good assistant possibly)

I'm not telling that IR never had assistants or anything like that - but the dependency was / is close to nil for completing the score / composition. They are more of 'execution' people than giving any creative input.

That is the big difference between IR's style of composing v/s most other MDs.

And that's why he is still competitive, getting hired by a star director who worked with the biggest commercial name, ARR, for the prior project :-)

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

senthil,

One last time :)

I had earlier quoted 4 different movies and four different directors approaching Raja for music. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. All I wanted was to know if such a thing happened with MSV. Ofcourse I didn't ask you this but asked genesis, who didn't reply to that point.

Now staying with facts. Let us take the two recent movies of Raja. 'SreeRamaRajyam' and 'SnehaVeedu' and also take up movies like 'PazhassiRaja' and 'Paa'. All of these created a stir in the music circles and these four were decently successful commercially as well. Again, not my opinion. I hope this will be taken as a fact. All I want you to do is to take the period of 1984 to 1986 and show me 4 such movies of MSV, which were critically acclaimed, talked about and were decently successful. I am not showing you that because I cannot think of 4 such MSV's movies during that period which are of this standard or even of the standard which MSV had in the 70s. If you can think of such movies, kindly let me know. I will surely listen to them and change my opinion if I find the music to be outstanding. I think is as objective as it can be?

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I must be testing your patience. Bear with me one last time. If this doesn't do it I will resign ;)

Here's a list for you.

1) Iyer the great (1990) the malayalam movie was a super hit in Kerala and TN. Very critically acclaimed. The BGM was great as it is a psychological thriller.
2. Famous Director I.V. Sasi worked with MSV in two or three movie starring Mammooty and Mohan lal.
3) Ariyatha veethikal (Malayalam) Director is K.S Sethumadhavan.
4) He also worked with Director K.Shankar in several movies.
5) Oliyambukal (1991) with Director Hariharan (Pazhassiraja fame)
6) Sivappu sooriyan, hit movie with Rajni as lead.
7) He gave hits film with S.A Chandrasekar - Vijaykanth combo. They were a popular combo during that period.
8) Several movies with Sivaji.


Although I gave some examples, I don't really want contest these facts you mention. I never did. What I'm contesting is your point that MSV musical decline is solely because he was not doing good music anymore and he is not capable of doing good music. I'm pointing out this your deduction. You are assuming if top directors don't go to him, he is not capable to doing good music but that is just an inference. Just like Raja he found some good work with great Malayalam actors and directors. Anyway, the situation for overall decline was lot more complex and probably one could write a book about it than just pinning it down on MSV and his musical capability. I also don't deny the demand for his type of music diminished but not his ability to produce good music. Hope this clarifies.

I also wanted to clarify that I'm not saying you should not make such inference or deduction or it is wrong. You have every right. Only when it goes from inference to fact it seems far fetched.

I feel much a better approach is to take a specific film situation and explore if MSV gave good music for that situation. That would be my approach, I doubt anyone here will follow me on that :)

Some of songs in mid 80's and later that show MSV still great in his elements.

1) En Manakanakku -- This was my fav at that time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_PmQ93SoH8

2) Amazing Kannan Manam song from Vasantha Ragam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqmTC0YfDbk

3) Kasthoori Maankuttiyam
http://youtu.be/_-WYic5_jb4

4) A very inventive saranam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwK_SZ_-4U8

5) Chandana Kudam Ondru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhkpMY-jycE

6) Athirathram -- I just found this today! Great songs.
Alakalalie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gDXAUOyaY
Kanikal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFj24Eb700o