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Dear Pradheep,
Is the above story of Bhisma the greatest commander ?
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Originally Posted by pradheep
Dear Pradheep,
Is the above story of Bhisma the greatest commander ?
Dear Raghu
Yes about bhisma, who is the eight of vasu's representing the ego (body attachment), the 8th principle needed for birth to occur. This is why bhisma takes the oath to safe guard his kingdom (attachement to the body, body is kingdom here)
Bhishma is the greatest warrior and one who always follows dharma.There was no one who could defeat him in battle(not even Arjuna).In the battle with Bhishma, arjuna lost all desiure to fight twice and got dejected.Both these times, it seems Lord Krishna ran towards bhishma with the disc in his hand saying that if arjuna refuses to fight Bhishma,he'll kill bhishma himself.both times,arjuna begged Krishna to stop and said he'll fight Bhishma.Krishna did this just to enthuse Arjuna.He could have sent the disc from the chariot and it would have killed Bhishma.There was no need for Krishna to rum towards bhishma with that disc in hand.
Finally, bhishma was defeated because he refused to fight a woman(re-incarnation of Amba).This was one of Krishna's tricks again.Arjuna hid behind Amba and sent his powerful arrows at BHishma and bhishma refused to respond as Amba was a woman.Finally,he sent so many arrows that it became a bed of arrows.
But BHishma is just a great character that he could choose the time of his death.ALso, Lord Krishna himself recommended that Yudhistra clear doubts abt dharma from Bhishma when he was lying in the bed of arrows."Vishnu Saharanamam" was told by bhishma to yudishtra in this setting and he also cleared all doubts on Dharma to Yudishtra.
Bhishma had to fight along with Duryodhana because of this "chenchotru kadan".He ate the food offered in Kaurava palace and he even said that it corrupted his mind about dharma.His character has to be analysed in detail.
Pradeep, SRS, Rohit: Kindly take the discussion on Vedanta, I, and other related philosophy to the new thread
"Understanding I - Vedanta"
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4467
All unnecessary digressions have been removed.
Let this thread discuss Mahabharatha as an epic if hubbers still want to.
What Vighop mentioned about Amba’s incarnation was SHIKANDI.. Amba actually loved another prince Salva and Amba had 2 more sisters .. Ambiga and Ambaalika… At the time of Swayamvaram, Amba will wish to marry her lover but Bhishma will propose to his brother . There will be a mini battle but ultimately Bhishma will win ( including the lover of Amba ) and will take all the 3 princess to Hastinapur. When Bhishma’s brother realizes that Amba’s heart had already gone to another person, he will gracefully accept her wishes and will let her go back to her lover. But Amba’s lover , as he was defeated by Bhishma, will not accept her and he will also tell that as he had lost in the battle , Amba is no longer his lover. This will prompt Amba to go back to Hastinapur but again will get disheartened and this time will be very furious towards Bhishma and will take the support of Parashurama.
Parasurama , originally the Guru of Bhishma … will have a big fight with Bhishma and at one stage when Bhishma will try to use PAASUPATHA ASTHIRAM… one asareeree will shout… to stop using it. At this stage , Parashurama will concede his defeat . Amba now realizing that nobody can beat Bhishma will pray to Lord Shanmuga. Finally Lord Shanmuga will appear and will give a garland and will say that … anybody who wears this garland WILL BECOME A SHATRU TO BHISHMA. The point to note that even Lord Muruga also will not bless somebody to kill Bhishma .
Amba .. being impatient will commit suicide and will take re-birth as ( Shikandi ) a son of Draupadha. ( Here I have no idea on how the garland will be in Draupadha’s palace ). When he grows up, casually he will wear the garland and immediately everybody will start screaming at him that he has become a shatru of the great Bhishma.
Krishna will finally use Shikandi on the 10th day of the battle. The previous night, after heavy pressure from Duryodhana and Shakuni, Bhishma was about to take a vow that the next day, he will destroy the entire Pandavas and this stage, Krishna will realize that its time to INTERVENE and restore balance in the war.
What happens the next day is history now.
When Bhishma sees Shikandi in front of Arjuna , he will recollect his past birth and will also remember his pledge that he will never take up arms against a woman.
Thus , through Krishna’s creative thinking , Arjuna will defeat ONE OF THE GREATEST CHARACTERS .
Please correct me wherever my references are incorrect
Its interesting to note that Lord Muruga appeared before Amba and gave that garland. This also proves that the Avatharam of Lord Muruga had happened before Mahabaratham . And, it had happened in Tamil Nadu. Does it mean that Tamilnadu existed during Mahabharat period. Anybody can enlighten us on this . Sorry for digressing from the main topic.
Wish to know more about the war between the Pandavas group and The Gauravas group. What is interesting to note is that the boundaries of various kings who participated in the great war did not extend beyond Kandahar , Shakuni’s kingdom( Afghanisthan )in the West and Anga ( West Bengal or Orissa ? )
Does it mean that there was no country after Afghanistan.
In the same breadth , was there no civilization beyond Bengal in the eastern side ?
Learned seniors Mr. Sudhama and Mr. Badri can throw some light on this please ?
About Rajneedhi and Dharma being preached and followed in Mahabaratha…
I have one more query..
Dirudhirashtra was the first son , followed by Pandu and Vithura. Ideally Diru should have been the king but for his handicap of being blind.
After Pandu was made the king , he left for Forest for various reasons which is well known. After this episode, Diru will be made King again and he will rule it for sometime until the next generation grew up.
My point here is, Duryodhana also had equal right to the kingdom as he is the son of the existing king , Dirudhirashtra.
In what way , this becomes Adharma ?? Infact I feel Duryodhana , by being a natural successor to the throne had better RIGHT over the throne compared to Yudhistra.
Any counter argument on this pls ?
I have few more questions…
During the exile of Pandavas, Duryodhana ruled . Any information is available on how he ruled the kingdom. I have heard vaguely that the Duryodhana ruled well and the subjects were totally happy and satisfied with the administration.
The only negative aspect of Duryodhana was his envying the Pandavas.
Can somebody come out with the facts please.
Karna's and Bhishma's characters have been highly sophisticated, esp on the Dharma vs Adharma issues, what is adharma from one sides's view (Pandavas view), during the incident when Draupadai was molseted in the court, was completley oppsite to Bhishma's view, ie his dharma was to be loyal to Kauravas though his side was on the evil side,!
Similarly though Karna knew he was the eldest of Pandavas, he fought against them, and vowed to Kill Partha, he knew if partha was killed, kauravas would have won the war, so he was doing his dharma (loyality) to his beloved friend Duryodhana, but on the other hand what he was doing was adharma, from pandavas /Kunti's point of view!
So how does one chose, what is adharma and dharma, in a dharma sankata situations like these?, is it influenced by the circumstances?
Once Sudhama sir has clearly explained this, but it did not get into my thick head, can some enlighten me please?