Ramayana - Another Great Epic

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.Rama was an Ordinary Human Being..??? !!

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Originally Posted by Rohit

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Ram Chand passed away, as did Rawan, even though he had lots of relatives. Says Nanak, nothing lasts forever; the world is like a dream. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1429)

This shows that Guru Ji considered Rama and Rawana as regular humans. Guru Ji saw them both as one. So this means that Hindu lord Rama is not God.

When Rama was exiled, he shot a king named Bali from behind and killed him. What a coward? What kind of bravery is that? Why would God attack someone from behind? This was a complete betrayal by Rama in the battlefield.

When Rama started fighting with Ravana to get his wife back his brother Lacchman passed out. He started crying and told Hanuman (a monkey God) that if his brother dies he will die with him by committing suicide. The truth is NO brave man ever cries in the battlefield. This shows that Rama lost himself in the battlefield, which shows weakness of mind and heart. According to Hindu historians, Rama was helped by all the gods and goddesses in the battlefield. What kind of a God needs help in the battlefield?

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...stion-9-a.html

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It is a painful remark on a Divine Character .. the God-form Rama.

I am unable to believe, whether the Sikhism really mock at so.?

Swami Guru Nanak Dev is a Great prophet... and revered Seer...

...who had broad-mindedly spread the Universal-Love as also preached and endeavoured much to unite all the Splinter groups of the divided people of Society... (especially Hindus and Muslims)

...under one Umbrella of Mankind...breaking away all the sorts of Religious barriors...

..by realising the true sense of any Religion.. as One God common to Humanity.

Ramayana is one of the Great Epics of Hindu Religion... as well as one of the Exemplary Heritage of Indian Nation as well.

Such sort of criticisms and Mockeries by one Religious preachers on other Religions... have become common, without exception, since more than two centuries..

Swami Vivekananda had faced even the worst denigrations on the Hindu Religious faith .. by some Non-Hindu Religious preachers.

Such mockeries on Lord Rama shows the critics ignorance.

Taking these questions in the healthy sense... we can answer.
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According to Madhva it is a sin to kill sinners from the front.Sinners should always be killed from behind in an "adharmic" fashion , that is dharma.

Vali was a great sinner for he ran away with another person's wife.So Rama upheld dharma by killing from behind.

Bhima also upheld dharma by hiting duryodhana below the belt.

But this lesson was lost on the medieval hindu warriors who showered gifts on islamic invaders and became very famous for their generosity.

One does not cry because one is a coward.This is a myth in the Indian society.One cries because one can no longer be with ones loved ones and cannot hear them speak and can no longer interact with them.The separation causes sadness.

But in Indian society when we cry because some one is dead and and no more , they tell us to be brave !

What a joke !

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

According to Madhva it is a sin to kill sinners from the front..

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.Vali the TRAITOR... over-benefitted.!!

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

According to Madhva it is a sin to kill sinners from the front.Sinners should always be killed from behind in an "adharmic" fashion , that is dharma.

Vali was a great sinner for he ran away with another person's wife.So Rama upheld dharma by killing from behind.

Bhima also upheld dharma by hiting duryodhana below the belt.

But this lesson was lost on the medieval hindu warriors who showered gifts on islamic invaders and became very famous for their generosity.

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Sanathana Dharma or Vedic-Dharma is only one common for all the Vedic followers...

...and no separate Maadhwa dharma or Sankara- dharma or the like.

No doubt sectarial customs differ...amongst different sects one of which is Madhwa.

Regarding Vali.. it has already been discussed repeatedly and analytically... May be referred in previous postings...
..and if further any questions are necessary... our friends are welcome.

In brief... let us consider an example..

One Dacoit knows all the sorts of modern teqniques of Computer, Mobile phone, Remote control bombing etc...

The Police department is finding it difficult to round him up because of his overall super capacity.

Then the Police department catches hold of one of their wisest Inspector and deputes him for the purpose...

...after giiving him special training.. plus arming him strongly with mightiest weapons more than those possessed by the Dacoit.

But after taking up the special assignment.. the Inspector befriended with the Dacoit...

.. as well as he became another Dacoit... parallelly.... misusing the Mightiest weapons and Knowledge of Police-Secrets.

Even after several advices and Warnings... he has forsaken his purpose of Special mights and Vital Police Knowledge bestowed.

Then what will the police department do.?

Is he Warrior.?... Or even an Enemy... No but an utter TRAITOR.

So was Vali a Traitor... misusing and unduly exploiting his purpose of birth with special super-powers.

Yes. Vali was the Awathara of Indra... and Ravana his BITTEST ENEMY since was defeated by him.

Besides Indra was facing a constant threat and challenge from Ravana... after his defeat by Indrajit

..that at any time... the whole Deva-lokam may fall under the control of Ravana

So on the fervent appeal of Indra to Brahma... Indra was given birth as Vali... bestowing greatest might ever on Earth...

..by which whover confronts Vali... that Enemy's half strength will be gained by Vali... by means of such a rare boon.

But what happened.? Instead of antagonising and eliminating his Worst enemy Ravana...

..Vali befriended Ravana... and allowed him to continue his atrocities...

...thus not only forsaking his purpose of birth as Vali.. but also worsening the situation...

..by causing more crimes like snatching away his brother Sugreeva's wife.!

Then the Supreme Police... the God had to treat Vali as the TRAITOR to be eliminated from Earth....

..without giving Room for Vali .. to gain HALF THE MIGHTS of Rama by confronting him face to face.

When Vali questions Rama... he was duly replied on which Vali was convinced and apologised to Rama.

Finally Vali was rendered by Rama... the Greatest status... Moksha.!!..

Does he deserve it.?.. Was it not his gain and reward... in return for his Misdeeds.?
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Not just Rama but if you look at the Scriptures we see that all the devatas and Vishnu in all his avataras killed the demons only by deception and trickery even though the devatas are powerful enough to kill the demons from the front easily.

The devatas discriminate between the divine and the demoniacal.The one deserves respect and a decent if not a valiant death.The other does not.

Even Shiva and Parvati killed many demons through deception a and trickery.

We must not judge the devatas by Rajput standards or the standards set by the Human Rights activists who say a terrorist should be given the same royal treatment as the policeman.HR activists claim ultimately they are human.While the devatas accept that , they see a difference between humans who are of a divine nature and also who are of a demoniacal nature , and give respect to one and not to the other.

Yes there is only one Sanatana Dharma and that was properly expounded by Madhva.The other two interpretations are false and incorrect.

Vali is the Avatara of Surya and not Indra.Sugriva was Indra.

Rama has already proved his bravery against Ravana.He even asked him to come next day fully armed.Why ?

Because Ravana was one of the dwarapalakas of Vaikunta.They were cursed to be born as demons thrice in planet earth.Vishnu took three avatars to take them back (apart from other things).So since Ravana was actually a great devotee of Rama (but he was temporarily ignorant of the fact , as he was under Asura avesa) , Rama respected him and attacked him from front.

No need for Rama to prove his bravery against that beast Vali.

I have discussed this more elaborately at

http://harishkumar09.sulekha.com/blo...e-ramayana.htm

You can also check : http://www.indiamystica.com