Does IR specifically mention this song (in the Guna cassette)? I don't recall... My guess was he meant 'rAjA kaiya vachchA adhu wrongAppOnadhillE' :-)Quote:
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Does IR specifically mention this song (in the Guna cassette)? I don't recall... My guess was he meant 'rAjA kaiya vachchA adhu wrongAppOnadhillE' :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Nerd,
You're right :-)
I listened to that here . IR specifically mentions 'kavithAyalam' padam, which is enakkuL oruvan and not apoorva sahOdhararkaL.
So, groucho, IR had certified that KH version is better than SPB version-nga :-)
Reg the Kodai Kaala Katre, my take on Malaysia's singing. (What I wrote as a tribute to Malaysia when he passed away.)
http://sureshs65music.blogspot.com/2...-malaysia.html
Nice to read your article again :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
I'm posting this link to the MV thread in current section :-)
Suresh, awesome write-up(and you know I don't say that often). How did I miss it?
Thanks app for the comment and posting it in the relevant forum. I rarely step out of Raja thread :)
Plum: I am honored :) Seriously. I think I posted this when you were mostly off tfmpage. I guess it is to app's credit that he pulled you back in :)
#149 எங்கே எந்தன் காதலி
(எனக்குள் ஒருவன், 1984 )
This song can possibly compete to be in the top-10 by way of length among IR songs. (> 7 min).
Had it arrived during the 78 rpm record time period, it would have occupied both sides of the disk and still struggled to fit in. One remembers songs like 'pOdachchonnA pOttukkuREn', 'avaL paRandhu pOnAlE', 'jegam pughazhum puNya kadhai' kind of songs from that era where one had to flip the disk to play the second part of the song. Even radio stations did that (I didn't get it - after all, they had those big spool tapes where these could be recorded and replayed...looks like they only played the disks direct or stored on spools without editing / removing the flipping). There were players that had mechanism to automatically flip the disks. I'm not sure if the radio stations had one like that.
It was also not unusual to listen to 'keeRal'led repeats on radio those days and someone manually pushing the needle to escape from the endless 'malarum, malarum, malarum' from the 'thottu vidaththottu vidaththodarum' song :lol:
With this song, however, there's some +ve to the length. i.e. from my personal POV. After the initial sweetness and grand orch for the engE endhan kAdhali, I lose interest midway - during all those audience interactions etc - but love the later part of the song after almost 5 minutes when the 'ennaippOlappAda yArumillai' portion comes up!
There were not many fans for this song @ hostel but I loved it and so were a few HCIRFs. With the movie's dismal show, not many cared for the song as time went by. At the time of release, however, this got played here and there including radio.
#150 மேகம் கொட்டட்டும் ஆட்டம் உண்டு
மின்னல் வெட்டட்டும் பாட்டும் உண்டு
(எனக்குள் ஒருவன், 1984 )
Fast forward by a couple of years to 1986. Campus interview job. Bachelor life. After the formalities with first salary to ammA & such things completed, after a few months, buying the first music player with one's own money! And a Sony EF60 cassette to the recording center at Palakkad! I wanted to make sure that my first "recording center" cassette to have my most favourtie songs (as of date). Had a huge list in prep, knowing that all my fav disks may not be in that Palakkad recording center.
After going through the lists available, scrutinizing / sorting / adding / deleting etc, the final list was done (that mostly had "more recent" ones because I was still young and not like the old fogie today who is mostly limited to 70s/80s stuff). MTK was hot and the cassette started with kuzhaloodhum. The second song? The one on top of this post :-)
Oh, how much I loved this song! How many times I would have rew-ed and listened to this on headphone! (Well, with that particular walkman that didn't have a rewind button, it was flip / FF). It was such a pleasure to listen to this song on headphone @ high vol, closing one's eyes and thoroughly getting immersed in the isai veLLam! IR at his best, building that terrific start after the brief thunders. What a way to end the prelude, terrific drum work and once SPB starts, the bass score is simply awesome! The solo violin on the interlude...one can keep talking about this song non-stop!
The best way to enjoy this song, however, is to dance with it after playing it on a huge loud system! Try it!
(BTW, check out the youtube # of views for this song v/s others from the same movie. Huge, huge difference!)
I'll have to place a smallie for today after this huge 'mEgham kottattum' (BTW, Plum, that is copyright my 5 year old - horsie / birdie / doggie etc. I get reminded of my chithee's MA litt text books - Chaucer / Spencer kind of poets where the spelling used to be similar. Fairy Queen used to read Fairie Queene :lol:)...
BTW, on mEgham kottattum, I'm not with IR. SPB version was the only one I recorded and enjoyed.
KH version was tolerated when involuntarily showered upon, thanks to the terrific orchestration. I'm not a fan of his voice for this particular song.
#151 ஆலங்கட்டி மாமழையாம்
(எழுதாத சட்டங்கள், 1984 , ஷைலஜாவுடன்)
I very clearly remember this song - a sweet melody with typical IR 80's styling. SPB enjoying himself with stretched syllables and his sis in company with her inimitable style. This was often heard on radio / buses and other standard avenues (like recording centers). However, I never had any idea about the movie this was from. Based on thiraippAdal and other google results, this ezhudhAdha sattangaL is a 1984 Sivaji-Prabhu movie.
Even some of the songs indicate the Islamic connection and per Saradha madam's post in the NT thread, Sivaji indeed did the character that gets only his wife's pic and Quran out of his burning home.
One of those albums that didn't get due recognition at the time of arrival due to the huge, HQ quantity that IR was delivering. Considering such huge output, it's quite a wonder that some of those numbers are remembered to this day! Seriously!
GA talking about placing a tape recorder is obviously made-up story. They used to insert these type of "promotional" dialgues in cassettes those days (I think it was more popular in MFM than TFM). Based on "promotional" ground I will not take Raja's comment about KH's singing seriously. On the contrary, IR referring this song, while there are many better KH songs seems to me as வஞ்சப்புகழ்ச்சி (மறைமுக கிண்டல் - showing his irritation about KH insisting to sing at least one song)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Unfortunately we (me and my brother) did not have access to a headphone (I am not sure in those days I even knew something called "headphone" existed). But many times we used 2 pieces of garden hose (flexible plastic tube) to enjoy the "jugal bandhi" at the end of the song. You probably guessed why I mention about my brother here - when he holds the one end of the tubes near the speaker, I hold the other end to my ear!! (Lucky we had a portable stereo, our recording center was sensible enough to record these songs in good stereo quality).Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Wiki says EO is a remake of Karz (Hindi), even though the plot seems to be quite different. If so, this song is supposed to the tamil equivalent of "Om Shanthi Om" (That song is more than 9 minutes long). It remains a very popular song even today.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
genesis, plot different? I don't think so. It's the same, except maybe the Nepalese part. Damn, my memory betraying me. Plum, help please.
app, I too don't agree with IR. But then, he was right in choosing the right dude for the film.
Megam Kottatum SPB > KH
Raja Kayya Vaccha KH > SPB.
Well, if you pare it down to bare bones, plot's the same
Pop singer becomes cognizant of his previous birth, takes revenge for the wronged previous version of himself.
As much a remake as apoorva sago is of moondru mugam?
இப்போதுதான் முதன்முறையாக கமல் குரலில் "மேகம் கொட்டட்டும்.." கேட்கிறேன். இதுவரை கேட்டுப் பழகிப் போன பாலுவின் குரலையே மனம் விரும்புகிறது. துள்ளல், கம்பீரம் இரண்டும் பாலுவை எங்கேயோ கொண்டு போய் தூக்கி நிறுத்துகிறது. இரண்டாவது சரணம் Class.
mEgham kottattum youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYS5hUy9Ug
87K+ views compared to 2K+views of the kissu song :shock:
(BTW, SPB version is on screen)
App, I can completely relate to the walkman experience. My first 'demand' to my folks at home was a Sony walkman; made sure I got it the very same day I finished my pre-university exams! Listening to music 'on the move' and listening to my fav tapes with 'utmost concentration'... oh, what a euphoric feeling!
The dialogs in ‘enge en kAthali’… :rotfl2:. Room pOttu yOshchAgala, kOter pOttu yOschAgalAnnu theriyala! Why they make SPB say these Engliss lines, devudukE thelusu!
Ah I missed this thread so much :| sorry for the digression folks, but this is the place to ask this question ( I feel) as there are lots of "Old boys" alias uncles :yessir:
I saw a song with RK + Sridevi and it was sung by PJ and VJ, it goes like "Swing swing oru oonjal", It was a BW film, name of the Film pls
:ty:
vaNakkaththukkuriya kAdhaliyEQuote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
BTW, Param, I got that info by "googling", i.e. the youngster way (and not the "uncle" method of scratching backhead) :lol:
#152 தாழம்பூவே வாசம் வீசு
(கை கொடுக்கும் கை, 1984 , ஜானகியுடன்)
KKK was a Rajinkanth movie that was supposed to benefit / rev up the fortunes of ace director Mahendran. Another case of a flop movie that fits the logic posted earlier on kAdhal Oviyam (refer rAja pArvai too). The vizhi illAmai of the lead character -not the hero but his wife in this case, role done by Revathy- didn't help Mahendran's cause. Actually, per admission by the director in dhinathanthi varalARRu suvadukaL, this movie virtually ended his career. (After all, if Mahendran couldn't hit it even with Rajini, what else is there to expect from him was the money bags' logic).
Mahendran was actually blaming on some disagreement with the producer about the climax or something like that - regardless of the exact reason, this movie relieved him of the pain of putting up with money bags anymore :wink: He probably did a couple more works that struggled to get released and is happily in retirement now, basking in the glory that Rajinikanth publicly declared - that too in a Q & A session with his guru ace director KB - that Mahendran is his fav director!
Superb song, right from the prelude one gets thrown into the 70's evening feel. rAsA picked up some of his favourite, melodious sounds for Mahendran and the song gives an annakkiLi / adi peNNE kind of soothing feel in the interludes and saraNam. SPB starts the song in a very sweet manner and later SJ joins to pour honey on the sarkkaraippandhal. A big favourite for me those days and almost anyone who had a cassette player recorded this song and treated themselves with the thiththippu. A song in rAsA's strongest area - thAlAttu - and a big hit - regular on radio / bus / teakkadai media and evergreen until this day!
What a madhyamavathi song is this?
beautiful - the imagery it evokes is that of a weaver weaving a special saree for his grandchild. Thats the care that went in to this song.
BTW the story was not per se from Mahendran - the credit must go to the kannada ace director Puttanna Kanagal who had directed a "multi story" movie called "Katha Sangama".
KKK is an expansion of one of the stories in that original movie in which Rajini had played the role of villain.
Now the tables are reversed and Rajini played the hero. Incidentally this was the first movie for chinni jayanth.
Coming back to the song - it is a given that even raaja's simplest of melodies have complexities that people with "vishaya gnaanam" often slagichufy.
Now in this song, the intricate worksmanship is interwoven with the beautiful tune which is laden with pauses - which the monster lead singers take
complete advantage of . even in the interludes, there are pauses and echo effects that enhance the melody and create a very soothing and touching
ambience. Not your typical hero and heroini walking in the park kinda love song - so once u see this with the nice soft visuals that Mahendran has created,
the whole thought process behind those pauses (not too long to be dramatic) becomes very clear to a viewer. The initial humming portion is one of my favourity
humming melodies - signatures of Raaja. The whole restrained and honorable affection of the hero and heroine is established in that very humming itself.
another segment of the song that remains etched in my memory is when the flute and its accompaniments run around it a riot and kind of get stuck (like a
paper boat rushing with the flow but unable to move ahead because of an obstacle in its path) Tries to go forward, try 1, try 2 try 3... and then magic happens,
floods of notes pours from the violins that drown out the entire sound scape in a grand, but yet soft scale - not one sharp note, not one screeching glaring sound..
all cooked to not just our ears, but for our hearts and soul too... This is one soul train of a song..
there are many posh velvet like substances that give that comforting feel to human skin, but sometimes, an old worn out cloth that grand mother used to put as
cushion to many a cradles in the family can create a feeling that no advanced foam mattress or blankets can give you. When one hears songs like these, that is what
dawns on you - the guys simply doesnt create music using instruments, he creates music from a soul train that has been running from ages, passing from grand mothers to mothers
to grand children - there is no question of rating this guy's music - coz this is not music that we are experiencing - it is this soul train of our warmth -or to put in thamizh parlances..
our "eeram". No wonder his music creates invariably the "inexplicable" feeling in so many of us..
app..thx for the thazhampoovE song..what a low key singing by spb. Soft and gentle and melting your heart types.. Should remind any guy of the first love kind of situation in his adolescence/teens.. Are youngsters these days this soft ? :-) (I must be really getting old).
AhA, what a flow of imagery! Thank you jaiganes for the sweet write-up!
kiru, I'm glad that this number rekindled your "first-love" feelings :-)
BTW, really sweet video - this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qgoMXCKcYg
தெய்வமே நீங்கள் ஒரு google king :notworthy: :notworthy:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Love this song!SPB sir is truly divine!Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
If I recall, KKK has an alternate climax as well...
Coming to Thazam Poove, what I love about it, besides everything that has been said, is the count....compare the first two lines (thazam poove etc) and the where "veedethum illai" begins....same rhythm though. Truly amazing!
Nice observation, Shank, on the rhythm -yes, it's awesome!
The female duet kaNNukkuLLE yArO is an excellent number as well. (BTW, there had been a movie in the new millennium with the title 'kaNNukkuLLE' , music by IR , which fellow hubber Shankar calls as 'maNNukkuLLE' :lol2:)
#153 நிலவொன்று கண்டேன் என் ஜன்னலில்
(கைராசிக்காரன், 1984 , ஜானகியுடன்)
If one wants to listen to Janaki at her sweetest, this song can easily be recommended. In the same way, if someone has to be showcased with the enchanting way rAsA uses strings, here is a demo number! And, if someone wants to listen to SPB's romance urgently, no need to look any further.
enna oru inimai, kuzhaichchal, konjal in a dignified way!
One of our fellow hubbers mentioned in a PM that the poster for this movie was seen in Trichy around the same time as rAgangaL mARuvathillai and opined it could be from 1983. However, going by the web-gurus (rAkkammA-thiraippAdal-tfmpage), I'm placing this Prabhu-Radha movie songs under 1984.
I really don't remember the exact time of the arrival of this album :-( What I clearly remember is the huge popularity of this song even after a few years when I was in Palakkad, frequently visiting Coimbatore (towns only 30 miles apart). The private city buses in Coimbatore - many of them had superb sound systems in the late 80's - frequently played this number. Extremely, thoroughly enjoyable song which hasn't aged even now! So, it's not a true justice to categorize such a beauty as "80's song" / "old song" etc!
Another obvious reason for the difficulty in placing a timeline is IR's prolificity in 1981-85! kaNakku vazhakkillAma hits. Parade of recorded cassettes. Flood of movies all around the year - all kinds - star directors / startups / star actors / new faces / low-med-high budgets. Unless one had the habit of writing diaries i.e. recording every event -even trivial ones- in life, it's very difficult to remember release dates. (The ambi chEchi fan had this diary habit and could tell how many times he did "certain things" in life :wink:).
Or, one should have some special personal event that smells out when listening to this song and connect to the arrival time. To me, the only thing that smells out is Coimbatore city bus travels and may be other bus travels from Cbe to Pollachi which again skips a few years. So, start-time for this song is unknown :-)
App,
I am still in Kai Kodukkum Kai. Beautiful post! Again one of the films which I cannot forget, even it was a flop. I watched this film twice with our same neighbors (which I expressed in thanga magan post). We could not believe we were in tears. I like Rajini's acting this way more and these are one of the very few films where the director has used this marvelous actor and conveyed his true substance. And what a soothing song!
neerum ponaal megham yethu, neeyum ponaal naanum yethu
ennuyire yeh...yeh...ennuyire neeyirukka unniyirum pogumaa
Aha! what beautiful lines and how it was tuned, truly melting!
Wonderful post Jai! I really loved this portion. Very true!
"an old worn out cloth that grand mother used to put as cushion to many a cradles in the family can create a feeling that no advanced foam mattress or blankets can give you. When one hears songs like these, that is what dawns on you - the guys simply doesnt create music using instruments, he creates music from a soul train that has been running from ages, passing from grand mothers to mothersto grand children - there is no question of rating this guy's music - coz this is not music that we are experiencing - it is this soul train of our warmth -or to put in thamizh parlances..our "eeram". No wonder his music creates invariably the "inexplicable" feeling in so many of us.."
Ku Klux Klan, I really liked the movie even back then when I was in the other camp. A more subtle Rajini, though his performance is nowhere as good as the two other ventures with Mahendran. This song was overplayed back then, as did the female duets. These days I find myself looping MV's Atha pettale Ambalaya ennathAn in my head (the percussion could have been ear-shattering during recording, damn they were prominent). In fact, I like it even more than PothuvAga or any other muzhakkam songs. App, great job as usual. Jai, enggeyO poyitEngga....
Nilavondru - What a beautiful song ..
That prelude already gives you a feeling of what to expect from the song ..a melody soaked in honey..
App as usual you r awesome ..
What a comparison!!!! Only you can!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Dear App.
This should answer your doubt regarding Kairasikaaran release date.
http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...rated./page22&
Regards
Thank you Murali sir!
It was nonsensical on my part to search around for info on a Prabhu movie when we have the kalaikkaLanjiyam in you :-) Great statistics on that thread, as usual!
BTW, Plum, had some nice :lol: moments in the Prabhu thread on your comments about sindhu-bhairavi :-)
#154 கை வீசும் தாமரை
(கைராசிக்காரன், 1984 , ஜானகியுடன்)
Another sweet SPB-SJ duet from the same Prabhu-Radha movie. With the rhythm pattern somewhat similar to thAmtha dheemtha / dEvan kOvil deepam onRu. Made with kilO kaNakkil sugar & honey. There's a Thamizh poem that goes like 'எத்தனை கோடி இன்பம் வைத்தாய்' and this duet reminds one of that line.
How many SPB-SJ-IR songs that are straight from "crusher"! (In my dad's village, "crusher" guys install their equipment once a year in the midst of sugarcane fields, typically during the weeks around the pongal season, run the "crusher" of sugarcanes that finally results in the production of jaggery right there in the field, under a thatched shed. Oh, just the memory of that setup and the jaggery makes the mouth water! Another by-product, 'thEmbAgu', a colloidal sugarcane syrup, was the delicacy that got used as a ready-made companion for idli-dOsai when we kids were in no mood to eat with chutney-sAmbAr)...
As I've mentioned long time ago on the tfmpage, at rAsA's prime period, TN was like a village with such sweet 'Alai' in full swing. Post-IR, we have only 'iluppaippoos'!
As far as "smell" of this song goes, didn't even realize those days the movie of the song. Thoroughly enjoyed it almost 100% via involuntary showers from radio and other sources thru out the years. Don't even remember playing this number from a recorded cassette -neither mine nor one that belonged to any of my associates. Perhaps today is the first time when I "played" this song myself, from thiraippAdal :-)
App,
Loved reading your write-ups on kairaasikkaran songs. "Made with kilO kaNakkil sugar & honey". :thumbsup: Absolutely! viola! whopping 59 films in '84. I also started to see a pattern from '84 onwards, especially on the orchestration compared to previous years. Lovely melodies, kaiveesum thaamarai, devan koyil deepam ondru, kanavodu yEngum all follow a unique trend with tabla based rhythm. I think this style continued till 87-88. But how many melodies he churned out all these years keeping the trend in check and still continues till sneha veedu. What a memorable journey it has been! Unbelievable!
Perhaps some "Old school boys Association" can help me with these songs :)
Can some one please tell me the name of the movies these songs featured in , thanks :)
1) Margazhi paniyil
2) Nee oru raaga maligai (here SPB sounds so much like BMK)
3) thendraluku endrum vayathu 16
4) O maina O maina