Ramayana - Another Great Epic

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3rd February 2008, 10:24 PM
Sudhaama

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. Religions are intended to UPLIFT the Humanity on the Whole.!!!

...Not to DIVIDE... Nor mutually Hate & Quarrel.!!

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

Not just Rama but if you look at the Scriptures we see that all the devatas and Vishnu in all his avataras killed the demons only by deception and trickery even though the devatas are powerful enough to kill the demons from the front easily.

The devatas discriminate between the divine and the demoniacal.The one deserves respect and a decent if not a valiant death.The other does not.

Even Shiva and Parvati killed many demons through deception a and trickery.

We must not judge the devatas by Rajput standards or the standards set by the Human Rights activists who say a terrorist should be given the same royal treatment as the policeman.HR activists claim ultimately they are human.While the devatas accept that , they see a difference between humans who are of a divine nature and also who are of a demoniacal nature , and give respect to one and not to the other.

Dear harishkumar09

Yes. Well-said.

We have to remember the purpose of Awatharas. Why.?

The answer to this fundamental question... highlights the Greatness of Vedic Religion... far differeing from other Religions...

..where they do not believe in God's Awathara or Descension by Incarnation

Then What for such Awatharas inviting undue sufferings for Gods and Godesses themselves.?

Mankind may at any stage are prone to think... out of Ignorance or Innocence or Impatience or Indolence or Intolerance...

...at least any one person... even at any one stage and moment in his Life, as...

..."Oh He is after all God... He has never faced such challenges, sufferings and dilemmic situations in His Life..

...as we the pitiable Mankind is trapped within the cruel hands of Fate on Earthly birth.

Because God is an AJAAYAMAANA (Birthless)... as also free from Karmas... unlike we, the sinners Human-beings.!

... So it is easy to preach such impracticable Theories in the name of Gospels...

..similar to a Bachelor Saint... preaching or guiding a newly wed on Married life.

...So it is difficult and impossible for practice... especially in the midst of varied sorts of people including the worst Sinners, Criminals and Human-formed Animals and Vultures...

...If God really have confronted with similar circumstances by living practically on Earth... then He cannot preach such Theoretical Sermons to us.

Or at least any person... may just reluctantly follow the Ideals.. or may not be wholeheartedly sincere to its sense...

..or may perhaps be not much serious in the Gods Gospels like Bhagawad Geetha, Vedas and the allied Holy Scriptures...

...culminating in Lame-excuses backed by Escapist attitude.

Such a possibility or probability exists and it is quite natural under the helpless circumstances of Mankind at any stage.

So to explain His Gospels of Words... through practical DEMONSTRATION... or Dramas or Plays by all the Gods... in simplified forms...

Gods have descended to such a low level of place and undue sufferings problems... in the names of Awatharas.

In brief what is shown by Awatharas are the Lessons for our Life... by action supported by justifications..

Hence a different Yardstick has to be applied while facing a Dharmaathma...

...differentiating by approach towards a Criminal

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

Yes there is only one Sanatana Dharma and that was properly expounded by Madhva.The other two interpretations are false and incorrect.

You can very well say... that Sri Madhwacharya's interpretations are Great and highly honourable.

Well.!.. Nothing Wrong to say so... since it only shows your high reverance and PERSONAL ATTACHMENT towards that particular Seer Acharya.

If you stop saying that only.. it is OK.

...But nobody should say that... THE OTHER TWO ARE WRONG.

Every wife can say "My Husband is Great"..

But NOT AS "Your Husband is NOT GREAT like my Husband... All other Husbands are INFERIOR to my Husband" ..

...or the similar denigration or decry... on others

We have to remember the truth... that the Godess Saraswathi-devi had duly recognised all the Three Acharyas... Sri Madhwacharya, Sri Sankaracharya and Sri Ramanujacharya...

...as well as approved and HONOURED their individual treatises by naming them as...

...Madhwa-Baashya, Sankara-Bhaashya and Sri-Bhaashya. !!!

None of us are more knowledged than the Goddess Saraswathi-devi...

...nor qualified to discriminate nor criticise nor under-rate...

...anyone of those three Worshipful Great Acharya Seers.... Awathaara Purushas.!!

All those Revered Mahaans were deputed by One God to EMANCIPATE the Humanity on the whole.!!!
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5th February 2008, 12:19 PM
piyush111

hi,
why are we discussing the evil qualities of Ravana? Still we have lot more to learn from this epic. Why don't we try to implement the best qualities of Lord Rama? Isn't it a good way to make our lives more comfortable? And as for Ravana, he was there to perform his duties, he too was a great great scholar.
24th February 2008, 01:17 PM
harishkumar09

Madhva has said it is not only important to recgnise what is true but also denounce what is false.Denunciation of falsehood is necessary for salvation.One should know what is right and also what is wrong. He has already proved the logical inconsistencies and deviation from scriptures as far as the Bhasyas of Shankara and Ramanuja are concerned and declared that they are incapable of giving salvation.He however has appreciated the historical role these two played in protecting sanatana dharma.

For this attitude he was disliked in his times and his followers are hated in modern times. Why not simply say all are one and the same or the three commentaries are three ways of reaching the same One ? That will lead to peace and harmony. But Madhva prefers strife and conflict if it can bring out the truth rather than peace and harmony which leads to ignorance.

He encouraged a tradition of debates and asked people to question everything even if it lead to fights. Ultimately he preferred a thinking population who debated and even at the end came to a wrong conclusion rather than a peaceful population of yes men.

Also there is no scriptural pramanas to say that Saraswati authorised all three bhasyas.

In fact according to Madhva , Saraswati accepts his commentary only as the correct one and rejects the other two as incorrect and false.

Its pretty painful to read all this , but as Prabhupada once said , the business of a Vaishnavite is to tell the truth and not to get a certificate of good conduct from the society.
7th April 2008, 01:14 AM
CLUELESS

i am a late comer to this site.
renarrating ramayana is my main passion.

the discussions between vali (in his dying moments) and rama is of great significance.
shall be grateful if hubbers can throw more light on this topic.
thanks,
CLUELESS
16th June 2008, 12:18 PM
CLUELESS

i am still waiting for some inputs from fellow hubbers???????????????????????
16th June 2008, 12:34 PM
Badri

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Originally Posted by CLUELESS

i am still waiting for some inputs from fellow hubbers???????????????????????

You certainly are clueless, arent you? :)

That topic has been discussed so many times that everyone's probably bored to death! Just go through the many pages of this thread. You will find exhaustive, even multiple discussions on the same.
16th June 2008, 02:48 PM
CLUELESS

dear hubber badri,
thanks for the info - will go through the pages.
regards,
CLUELESS
16th June 2008, 03:08 PM
Jimano

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

Madhva has said it is not only important to recgnise what is true but also denounce what is false.Denunciation of falsehood is necessary for salvation.One should know what is right and also what is wrong. He has already proved the logical inconsistencies and deviation from scriptures as far as the Bhasyas of Shankara and Ramanuja are concerned and declared that they are incapable of giving salvation.He however has appreciated the historical role these two played in protecting sanatana dharma.

Neither Madhvacharya nor anyone have absolute monopoly over truth (God) or salvation.

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Its pretty painful to read all this , but as Prabhupada once said , the business of a Vaishnavite is to tell the truth and not to get a certificate of good conduct from the society

Haresh, do you accept Prabhupada's (Iskcon) authority ?
24th June 2008, 02:11 PM
Raghu

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Originally Posted by Jimano

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

Madhva has said it is not only important to recgnise what is true but also denounce what is false.Denunciation of falsehood is necessary for salvation.One should know what is right and also what is wrong. He has already proved the logical inconsistencies and deviation from scriptures as far as the Bhasyas of Shankara and Ramanuja are concerned and declared that they are incapable of giving salvation.He however has appreciated the historical role these two played in protecting sanatana dharma.

Neither Madhvacharya nor anyone have absolute monopoly over truth (God) or salvation.

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Its pretty painful to read all this , but as Prabhupada once said , the business of a Vaishnavite is to tell the truth and not to get a certificate of good conduct from the society

Haresh, do you accept Prabhupada's (Iskcon) authority ?

Hmm good question, ISKON contradicts with Saivam, it regards Lord Krisna to the supreme, where else majority of the hindus regard Maheswar as the supreme(including me)

hence the saying

Guru Bramha, guru vishnu guru devo maheswara
24th June 2008, 10:32 PM
Sudhaama

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Which God SUPREME.?

This is A VEXED QUESTION...

...Leading towards Unending debate...

... radically out of RELEVANCE for a devotee or follower of any Faith...

..as also far away..out of purpose on the rudiments of GOD-FAITH itself.

Ramanujacharya has categorically and convincingly handled this Age-old QUESTION...

...OVERSTRETCHED... dragging towards a SUICIDAL pursuit on God.

This may be a topic for a religious debate by scholars...

...but totally OUT OF PURPOSE for any devotee or common public or the follower

What does it matter for any devotee...

..whether the Great God MAHA-DEVA is supreme..?..or..

... the other Great God MAHA-VISHNU.? ..or..

..the Great Goddess MAHA-KALI.?

Vedic Religion is an optimistic and large-hearted pursuit... imparting widest choices and freedom for every devotee...

...as one may INDIVIDUALLY feel apt for oneself...

...according to ones own perception and understanding...

... as one FEELS by Soul and Heart.

Ramayana has demonstrated such a Gospel... by action.

In brief...

Periappa's Children are NOT GREATER ... NOR SUPERIOR ...

...than the Chiththappa's children.!

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Originally Posted by Raghu

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Originally Posted by Jimano

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Originally Posted by harishkumar09

Madhva has said it is not only important to recgnise what is true but also denounce what is false.Denunciation of falsehood is necessary for salvation.One should know what is right and also what is wrong. He has already proved the logical inconsistencies and deviation from scriptures as far as the Bhasyas of Shankara and Ramanuja are concerned and declared that they are incapable of giving salvation.He however has appreciated the historical role these two played in protecting sanatana dharma.

Neither Madhvacharya nor anyone have absolute monopoly over truth (God) or salvation.

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Its pretty painful to read all this , but as Prabhupada once said , the business of a Vaishnavite is to tell the truth and not to get a certificate of good conduct from the society

Haresh, do you accept Prabhupada's (Iskcon) authority ?

Hmm good question, ISKON contradicts with Saivam, it regards Lord Krisna to the supreme, where else majority of the hindus regard Maheswar as the supreme(including me)

hence the saying

Guru Bramha, guru vishnu guru devo maheswara

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