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hmmm maatikittiya 'salem kutti samiyaar' alias Arjuna unnai than thaedikittu irunthaen ivalo naala :D eppa en paera ozhunga type panna poara? Key boardla 'Caps lock' kum 's' kum naduvula oru Key irukkum athula 'a' irukkum atha 'srn' ku naduvula type panna en paer correcta varum adutha vaatti ozhunga type pannu ipdi 'rajasaranam' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjuna
Yeah I've not been around these forums for long. Laugh away :D but show me some pointers to suggest that you are an ardent music fan, not biased in any way and that you had criticized ARR/MSV as vehemently you do IR whenever a new album of his is released. I'll take back my comments on you then. [cont...]Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
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You show me 2 people out of some odd 20 people who had commented on this album in these forums and ask me to take in the words of a few people whom you had spoken personally!!! yup then take in mine too - Except my younger brother who is an ARR fan who said that its too noisier than 'BOYS' and giving him an headache the other 5 were awestruck with this album of Raja.
Yeah Iam biased and have a-priori notions about IR's albums... Dont you too?!! Tell me when was the last time you said this is a complete album by Raja? whenever IR's album is released you come in say a few +ve things and a load of -ve things and finally concluding ' on the whole the album is disappointing and nothing novel' Hmmm... now say me this is not a a-priori notion of yours --- urrrghhhh Gimmeee break yaar.
"Tell me when was the last time you said this is a complete album by Raja?"
When I listened to Guru in 1998. Since then it has been difficult for me to pass that comment on any other album. A few came close but didnt quite make it - Hey Ram, Kochu Kochu SanthoshangaL come to mind. There have been quite a few albums with one or two damn good songs in them like Niram pirithu paarthen in Time - but overall as an album they cant be called great, atleast in my opinion. A great album needs to have atleast 3 great songs out of 5 And I think even most seasoned, reasonably biased IR fans would agree atleast partially with my opinion. You on the other hand...:-)
As for ARR criticism- Parasuram and Baba are some of the worst albums I have heard from ARR in recent times. His "New" wasnt all that good either. His HFM efforts have been better in recent times. Re-recording in films have been forgettable with few exceptions like Iruvar and so on..I'll stop here for this is IR's thread.
Rajasaranam
VijayR is a good critic of IR's music (though sometimes a little extreme for me). However if only we had more critics like him/Udhaya of IR's music in the mid/late 80s, IMHO IR could have given much more wonderful music.
Such critics should not be silenced, but should filter out the opinions that are many times genuine
Bala
While I do not have a problem anyone posting their opinion on IR's albums or others, I disagree that their opinions have somehow more credibility than those who appreciate the same albums or that more of those critics are needed for IR etc.
Liking a particular type of music or composer's style is all based on individual taste and preferences. These are influenced by so many pyschographic and attitudinal factors and ring these biases in judging . Everyone is going to justify thier preferernces stating that their views are unbiased stating their credentials as to why they are unbiased and how others are. But to me,anyone's opinion including mine is just that - an individual preference based on my set of biases and nothing more and I am not prepared to accept someone else's criticism is more valid than my appreciation.
From the vantage point of having met a lot of people who have created a perception for themeselves that IR's music nowadays are like old days, my hypothesis is that irrespective of the quality of music IR is going to come up with, it is going to be dismissed by this segment as providing validity to their beliefs. From my perspective, it will be a very difficult leap for them to overcome their mental hurdles to provide any credit to IR. And from the yardstick that they may use, it may even be possible for them to justify their perceptions to themselves. However, that may not be the reality for others.
I use what I consider as rational and analytic approaches and I find the accolades afforded to ARR exceed what probably his actual accomplishments offer. But then, I smile at thos people who offer such glorious accolades but don't go out and bash his music everyday to people who enjoy his music. That to me is more disturbing. Well, if you didnt like ME music, dont buy the album, dont listen to the songs but do I need to be out there spoiling the fun for those guys who are enjoying his music.
And for those, enjoying ME, does it really matter that someone else does not like the album. How does it even matter? Ignore and just sing the praises.
balaji,
my intention was not to silence him but to bring out the factual reality that he is biased heavily towards ARR/MSV. ohkay.. he has pointed some movies like baba, parasuram and new as albums which he didnt find good from ARR, well if atall he had been unbiased he should have gone to those threads and criticized them as he does whenever an IR album is released... where was he when 'Vishwa thulasi' was released everyone knew that was an album by MSV it was the same grinder same flour [ i enjoyed the album, it was melodiously soothing though we ve listened to these types of songs from him hundreds of times.]
well that makes 60% which is just average, it should be 80% or more to make it a great album in the opinion of a unseasoned, unreasonbably biased IR fan. for me IR scores 100% always. now go and check in the great albums of ARR by this scale :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by vijayr
I'Ve conveniently ignored the likes of Arjuna who come in honestly, spit venom and go away. These are the least dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by kr
But Mr.Vijayr comes here under the pretext of a great critic and ciritcize as though he is the only 'allinallazhaguraja' who criticize IR for the sake of music. [avar mujic ariva vachutae enna panrathunnu theriyaama Isaignani thaennarraru, ivar vaera konjam kudutha othavuraraam.... vaenamda saami nu urakka sollanum] these are the dangerous kind IMHO and should be exposed well.