The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

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My point is that Bhima and Arjuna are well known warriors and superior in their craft. They should not have ventured into timid tactics.

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There are two ways to view it.
i)The supposedly self righteous characters had negative elements in them too. This was very much prevalent during the war. This nails the very aspect that man has equal standing of goodness and evil in him. It is the choice of which one takes the upper hand in a person's life that matters.

ii)The second aspect propogates that it is alright to get even with the opponent with unfair means just as how treacherous the opponent was before. The unreasonable manner used by the righteous group actually is the fruit of deceit done by the opponent. Therefore, it is not quite right to associate the 'righteous' men with the conduct of their actions in the war.

Balaji
You have obviously not read the explanation of the whole sequence of events. Both Bhima and Duryodhana keep on fighting and the fight is even.

Duryodhana then asks Bhima that to resolve this fight , both of them have to tell their weak spots. Bhima will tell the truth that his Head is the weakest part in his body.Duryodhana will lie that chest is his weakest part.Actually,it'll be the thigh as Gandhari's eyes were covered from seeing it.
So, Bhima will hit Duryodhana as much as possible in the chest and nothing will happen to Duryodhana but whenever Duryodhana hits Bhima on the head, Bhima will become very weak.For this reason only, Krishna will remind Bhima abt his vow.
Seems that after the fall of Duryodhana, Balarama will be very unhappy and he'll leave the place in a huff.

Dear Viggop,
Actually before the war , Balarama will take a neutral stand and will tell both the parties that he will not participate in the war and will go for Theertha yathra…
About Balarama’s reaction after the fight…. He was the Guru for both Bhima and Duryodhana on mace fighting and in his opinion, Duryodhana was a better fighter in this fighting and had high regards for him.
When he sees Bhima hitting Duryodhana on his thighs , he will be furious and will rush towards Bhima .. However Krishna will pull Balarama out of the situation by explaining the whole sequence of events which lead to the war…. And will also highlight to Balarama that at the Rajyasabha, Bhima took a vow to break Duryodhana’s thighs and kill him as he wanted Draupadhi to sit on his thighs… and he will justify the act of Bhima. Still Balarama will not be convinced and will finally move out of the scene stating that Krishna could have avoided the war…
He will also comment that the cowardly act of Bhima is very disgusting and it’s a shame as this is not as per war rules and will leave the place finally.

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Originally Posted by a.ratchasi

[There are two ways to view it.
i)The supposedly self righteous characters had negative elements in them too. This was very much prevalent during the war. This nails the very aspect that man has equal standing of goodness and evil in him. It is the choice of which one takes the upper hand in a person's life that matters.

ii)The second aspect propogates that it is alright to get even with the opponent with unfair means just as how treacherous the opponent was before. The unreasonable manner used by the righteous group actually is the fruit of deceit done by the opponent. Therefore, it is not quite right to associate the 'righteous' men with the conduct of their actions in the war.

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A.R….

Very thoughtful posting. Nice ….
You are right as both Arjun and Bhima had to resort to a befitting reply to Duryodhana for his wicked deeds earlier.
There is no question on the virtues of both Arjuna and Bhima. Both were righteous in their acts and deeds.
My point here is that they did not act like true Kshatriyas…. The way they annihilated their rivals brings disrepute to their credibility and war skills.

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Originally Posted by Raghu

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji

3. Bagadhathan

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BalaJi AnNe

This is the first time, I am hearing about Bagdhathan, can you pls tell me a bit more bout him?

thanks :D

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Dear Raghu,

There were some special characters who also took part in that great war and Bagadathan was one of them. He was highly respected king and was a friend of none other than Indira . As he was a good friend of Gauravas as well , he had to be with them during the war.
He was a specialist in elephant fighting and he had a mighty elephant by name SUPRADHEEPAKAM.
The incident which I had mentioned happened during the 12th day I think when Bhima was destroying Gauravas, Bagadathan had to step in with his mighty elephant and started making deep inroads into Pandava force.
There was also a ploy by Drona to capture Yudhistra alive so that the war will come to an end.
Bhima will launch a fiery attack on Drona. Satyaki and Dhristadhyumna joined him. Watching this from the middle of the field Karna told Duryodhana that Drona needed help. Duryodhana and his brothers went to Drona’s help. Seeing Duryodhana, Bhima, fury was doubled. Before Bhima could inflict any further damage, Bagadathan came there on his magnificent elephant, Supradeepakam. The elephant was quite invincible and had been a scourge to the Pandavas army. The elephant will crush the chariot of Bhima. Bhima could barely escape being crushed under the elephant. But the trunk of the elephant caught Bhima and he could extricate himself with great difficulty. Bagadathan was throwing a lot of javelins to kill the Pandavas army.
Hearing the cries of the agonised soldiers of his side and the terrible noise made by the elephant, Now, Arjuna rushed to his army’s help. He was too shocked to see the havoc caused by the elephant of Bagadathan. Arjuna went for the both, Bagadathan as well as for his elephant. Bagadathan will try to smash Arjuna’s chariot with his elephant. But he could not succeed before Krishna’s skills. Bhagadatta tried all his astras , which were cut to pieces by Arjuna. Arjuna cut the bow of Bagadathan . At this stage, Bagadathan will chant Vaishnava Astra and use that on his Ankush and throw on Arjuna. It was no ordinary astra, he had invoked Vaishnav astra, it’s the astra of lord Vishnu. It was the most terrible astra in the whole universe. However, Krishna will appear before the astra and absorb the power as he was the original owner of it !, and it will become a garland and get wrapped around Krishna’s neck. Arjuna will ask Krishna that why did he come between the astra aimed at him? He was not to participate actively in the war. It was also not the prescribed duty of a charioteer. Krishna smiled and said, I gave this astra to the mother of Narakasura and when I killed him, he gave it to the Bagadathan. The astra is sure to kill the person at whom it is aimed. Nothing could stop him. Since I did not want to lose you, I had to come between the astra and you. And since the Vaishnava astra is back with me, Bagadathan is no longer immune from all the astras and weapons. His dreaded elephant too has become like any ordinary elephant. Now be quick . Do not lose time.
As mentioned in my earlier posting, Bagadathan , due to his old age, will be holding all his extra flesh before his eyes by way of a cloth which Arjuna will tear with his sharp arrows and this will make Bagadathan virtually blind.
Arjuna will then kill the mighty elephant. Then Arjuna’s arrows will kill Bagadathan and he will fall down from the elephant dead. Arjuna will come out of his chariot and will do a parikrama to the fallen great Bagadathan and will pay respects to a great warrior..

Dear Balaji AnNe

Great write up, thanks, one more question,Barberik grandson of Bhima did not participate in the war, why?, is it because Barberik was Lord Vishnu's Bhaktha and he did not want to fight against the lord.


But he had special vision in which he could see the whole war, like this other guy(what was his name) who was narrating the war scene by scene to dhiritharatchasa.

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Originally Posted by Raghu

Dear Balaji AnNe

Great write up, thanks, one more question,Barberik grandson of Bhima did not participate in the war, why?, is it because Barberik was Lord Vishnu's Bhaktha and he did not want to fight against the lord.


But he had special vision in which he could see the whole war, like this other guy(what was his name) who was narrating the war scene by scene to dhiritharatchasa.

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Dear Raghu,

I will do a separate posting on the grandson part

The other guy whom you have referred to was SANJAYA ... AND HE WAS GIVEN DIVINE POWERS BY SAGE VYASAR. ( probably today's doordharshan ! )
Vyasar will appear before the war and will give that extrodinary powers to Sanjaya.. who was assistant to Dirudhirashtra.

He will give a live update to Dirudhirashtra about the war.

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji AnNe

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Originally Posted by Raghu

Dear Balaji AnNe

Great write up, thanks, one more question,Barberik grandson of Bhima did not participate in the war, why?, is it because Barberik was Lord Vishnu's Bhaktha and he did not want to fight against the lord.


But he had special vision in which he could see the whole war, like this other guy(what was his name) who was narrating the war scene by scene to dhiritharatchasa.

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Dear Raghu,

I will do a separate posting on the grandson part

The other guy whom you have referred to was SANJAYA ... AND HE WAS GIVEN DIVINE POWERS BY SAGE VYASAR. ( probably today's doordharshan ! )
Vyasar will appear before the war and will give that extrodinary powers to Sanjaya.. who was assistant to Dirudhirashtra.

He will give a live update to Dirudhirashtra about the war.

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Dear Balaji AnNe

Thanks, yes I remember Sanjaya now, pls continue about Barberik

Everybody arguing that, Bhima took revenge that he will break the thigh of Dhuryodhana, because he asked Dhrowpathy to sit on his thigh. When the Pandavas put their wife as a bet for Gambling, that means they treated her as a 'commodity' and not their wife.

DHURYODHANAN WON THAT "COMMODITY" IN GAMBLING AND HE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE AS HE LIKES.

This Bhima's anger and revenge should make his mind working, when Yudhishtiran (Dharman) decided to put their wife as a bet in gambling.

Karnan asked in front of Krishna :"Manaiviyai panayam vaiththu soodhaadinaaney. Maanamulla manidhan seyvaana idhai..?". His arguement is 100% correct.

Hello Saradhaji,

You have conveyed a very strong message... a very striking one....

I also wonder on another issue.... Before betting on Draupadhi... Yudhishtra had lost himself .... which means he had no right to bet on Draupadhi....
This point will be raised by Draupadhi in the court but it will go to deaf ears......
I wish the remaining pandavas had questioned Yudishtra on his act of betting on Draupadhi... But probably they stood silent as a mark of respect for their elder brother.
By doing this... even the other 4 pandavas did adharma to Draupadhi........