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வாங்க PLUMQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
நீங்க பழைய பண்நீர்செல்வமா வரணும்.இந்த வீடியோ உங்களுக்காக தான். sorry for the repeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emel8Sr5RAM
A news item. "How to name it" will be part of a featured works to be performed by a dance troupe (Bill Evans) in Brockport State College. Not sure of other details.
http://thedailynewsonline.com/entert...a4bcf887a.html
thanks,
Krishnan
Plum - Please, you should continue to post in the forum. I always love to read your perspectives and thoughts and the passion with which you post (for example, the post about the song, Thoorathil Naan Kanda sung by SJ in Nizhalgal, whenever I listen to that song, I'm reminded of your post), we need that here in the forum.
V_S - Please, don't even think about not contributing to the forum, especially the IR section. Your detailed writings about IR's gems are truly unparallelled, one of a kind. There are many more songs that you have to share your thoughts about.
If you both stop contributing we as fellow hub-ers who share common interests are the losers.
VAMSI's interview. again. a must to see, we all know his proximity to Raja sir. Will any good heart come forward to translate Raja sir related bits from this interview so we can know some stories behind some great songs on vamsi's movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmB9PG_RyY
huh?? dude!!!! c'mon... take/react only to positive stuff and avoid negativity. The more you are bothered, the more you are allowing yourself to be dragged into such frivolous discussions! Take it easy and keep sharing good stuff dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
/sermonizing ends
Thanks again for further support. However, as i said, this is a considered decision. The reason one comes here is to steer clear of the hypocritical humility mafia one is forced to entertain in the real world. And until recently, the balance here was correct with less mafia members than more. Of late, this balance has been tipped and I dont have reason to cherish this place as the kind of balance of people I get here I can get in the real world itself thank you.
kiru, the point really is that this is a sanctuary away from the real life troubles and when this place begins to resemble the real world, I have zero need for this place.
Thanks all for a few years of sanctuary. This must really be the end.
:( Atleast Viswaroopam thread kkaachum vaanga! Neenga Kamalai kandamEnikku thittinaalum orupaya kekka maatOm :)
உங்களை மாதிரி சீனியர்ஸ் இப்படி கோபப்படலாமா? மொட்டே தாசனும் இப்படி தான் கொசிட்டு போறேன்னு பிடிவாதம் பிடிச்சார். தனி நபர் தாக்குதல் நடக்கும் போது இப்படி எல்லாம் பிரச்சனையை வருதுன்னு நினைக்கிறேன். அதுக்கு தான் வெங்கிராமுக்கு சிலர் பதில் எழுதும் போது கண்டிக்க வேண்டியதா போச்சு. போறேன்னு ஒத்த காலுல நிக்க வேண்டாம். நீங்க மனம் திருந்தி வந்தால் என்னை போல் பலர் சந்தோஷ பட கூடும், இல்லா விட்டால் ஒவ்வொருத்தரா, கோச்சிக்கிட்டு இங்கிருந்து போய்டுவாங்க. நமக்கு இஷ்டம் ராஜா சாரும் அவரோட இசையும் தான். அதுவே நம்மை இணைத்தது. அதுவே இங்கு உங்களை மறுபடியும் அழைத்து வரட்டும்.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
அன்புக்கு உண்டோ அடைக்கும் தாழ்?
அன்போடு அழைக்கிறோம் வாருங்கள்.
Dear Friends,
Thanks a lot for all your support and encouragement. It moved me a lot. I felt it is better to take time off in the best interests of mayyam, you all and me, but will join you all soon. I even feel very sorry and guilty for whatever happened recently.
Before taking some time off, I would like to mention this again about Maestro. Maestro is not just another musician as some feel here. HE IS THE ONLY NATURAL, GIFTED, ORIGINAL, PURE MUSICIAN OF OUR TIMES, IF NOT ALL TIMES. To achieve what he has achieved musically in these 35 years, it will easily take a minimum of 300-400 years for some one. That's how easy it is. There is not a single page of music he hasn't uncovered. He is the only one who can see Idayam POguthe in Schubert or Poo MaalayE in Bach or Poovaadikalil in Thyagaraja. He is the only one who brought the Kalyani to Keeravani to roots of villages. He is the only one who has made us see cities in a different light and context through his compositions. He is the only composer who has touched every human emotions and elements in his compositions. He is the only composer who has taken us literally to every region right from our smallest village to the towns of India to the western world through his compositions. He is the only one who can compose Aattu kutti muttai ittu to Yeh KiLi irukku Pazham irukku to Madai thiranthu to Mari mari ninE to Aavesamantha Aalapanele to Thoongaatha VizhigaL Rendu to Hey Baby to Ambum Kombum to Edaya Bagilu to Ennada Pandi to Srirama Lera to Senkathir Kaayum. It is not that simple as what I have stated. Have we seen this much versatile composer ever, not just from India. Have we seen this much prolific composer ever who has raised the standards of music to extra-ordinary levels and raised the life of many producers, directors and actors. Even after doing all this, he is saying, he does not know music. Have we seen any selfless composer and as humble as Maestro? His achievement in music is endless. He is the only REAL musical face of India which world (even most India) has not seen. Clouds cannot hide the Sun for long enough. Just like Sun rays are powerful that it can pierce clouds to reach us, I certainly believe his music will reach the world soon. Time will certainly tell who this brilliant musician is and what his fascinating mind is.
Just because this genius and legend is living during our times, we tend to take his efforts very lightly and loosely. My only concern is if you are a serious music listener (not a fan), you cannot pull down a giant musician like Maestro to all corners and stamp with your feet, that too in his home. It is the biggest sin to have ever happened for music and there is no 'paapa vimochanam' for that.
Will soon join you, till then. Thank you again everyone!
V_S ji, very sorry to hear this. I will miss you. Please come back soon.
Others - what the funk happened? PM please. Thank you.
Plum and V_S, GOOD LUCK TO YOU!
V_S, thanks for sharing couple of albums of IR with me. I cherish it.
enjoy your life!
bye...
vinatha.
V_Sji, enjoy your break - but come back soon!
:-)
Plum,
:-(
onyum pirila naekku.
hub varradhe v_s , plum maadhiri aatkaL enna eidhikeerangonnu padikkaththaan. ippo adhulayum mannaa?
edho.. nalladhu nadandhaa sari.
Expected this and heard this from LM today. You are right Plum, this is a sanctuary from real life. Whatever you and your posts may have been to people, you were (almost) never *wrong*, let there be no doubts about that :thumbsup:
VS also? :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66gvc...feature=relmfu
"ராஜ்கிரண் - ராஜா" -- இந்தக் கூட்டணி விருந்து சாப்பிட்டு ரொம்ப வருடங்களாச்சி! தலைவாழை சாப்பாட்டிற்காக காத்துக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன்.
:ty:
yeah... We will have a treat from IR-Rajkiran kootani!
kuyil pattu ...
raasathi manasula...
sondham ondrai...
vaanmadhiye
azhagana manjapura...
amazing compositions :musicsmile:
//dig
Plum-gaaru :shock: :sad: hoping for a come back..
V_S-ji, come back soon.. :) pazhaya mAdhiri vandhu detail'a post'unga... End-dig//
I usually come here to read the posts of V_S, Plum, app_eng and Suresh65. Plum, reconsider your decision and V_S, pls come back soon.
I have no clue and even I have the same question. What happened that some members are leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by AravindMano
நான் இங்கு ஒரு சைலென்ட் ரீடர். உண்மையில் இங்கு எழுதும் பலரின் இசை அறிவும் நம் ராஜாவைப் பற்றிய தெளிவும் இல்லாத என்னைப் போன்ற பலர் அன்றாடம் அணுகுவது இந்தத் தளத்தில் விவாதிக்கப்படும் விஷயங்களையே. நானும் அவ்வப்போது அங்கங்கு ராஜா ரசிகர்களோடு அடாவடி செய்தாலும், விலகிப் போய்விடுவது கோபித்துக்கொண்டு வெளியேறுவது என்று நம் சக ரசிகர்களின் செயல்கள் வருத்தம் தருகின்றன. நிச்சயம் அவரவர்க்கான நியாயங்கள் இருக்கும். வருத்தம் இருக்கும். எல்லாவற்றையும் மறந்து விட்டு ராஜாவின் பெயரால் மீண்டும் ஒன்றிணைய வேண்டும் என்று வேண்டுகிறேன்.
நீதானே எந்தன் பொன் வசந்தத்தில் யுவன் கார்த்திக்கை எல்லாம் பாடவைத்தது சரியா என்ற கேள்வியுடன் பல நாள் கழித்து என் வம்பையும் துவக்குகிறேன். ரெடி ஸ்டார்ட் ஃப்ரெண்ட்ஸ்.
Chandramohan Vetrivel,
New Delhi.
www.chandanaar.blogspot.com
வாங்க சார், ராஜா சாரின் இசை நம்மை சுண்டி இழுக்கும் வரை யாரேனும் ஒருவர் வருவார், எழுதி கொண்டும் இருப்பார். நமக்கு தேவை ராஜா சார் பற்றிய தகவல்கள், அது யாரிடத்திலிருந்து வந்தால் என்ன? இங்கு கிடைக்கும் என்ற நம்பிக்கையில் தானே வருகிறோம்.Quote:
Originally Posted by mohanraja
குழந்தைகளுக்கு தான் பவதாரிணி குரல் பொருந்தி இருக்கிறது. தேவயானிக்கும், நந்திதா தாசுக்கும், சிம்ரனுக்கும் சற்றும் பொருந்த வில்லை. அதே போல் தான் யுவன் குரலும். சுரம் இல்லாத குரல் அவருடையது. அவர் பாடி எனக்கு பிடித்த ஒரே பாடல் "ஒரு கல் ஒரு கண்ணாடி, உடையாமல் பார்த்து கொண்டால்" மட்டும் தான். Nepv இன்னும் வெளி வரவில்லை என்றாலும், யுவன் குரல் ஜீவாவிற்கு பொருந்தி வரும் என்று தோன்ற வில்லை. இருந்தாலும் இந்த காலத்து இளைஞர்களுக்கு யுவன் குரல் பிடித்திருக்கிறது என்றே தோன்றுகிறது. ஆனால் ராஜா சாருக்கு தெரியாதது இல்லை. யுவன் குரலுக்கு பொருந்தி வருவது போல் ஒரு பாடல் போட்டிருக்கலாம்.
ஆமாம். யுவன் குரலில் என்ன தப்பு இருக்கு. அவருடையது யுனிக் வாய்ஸ் என்று டீனேஜர்கள் பலர் சமூக வலைத் தளங்களில் கேள்வி எழுப்பியது நிச்சயம் நமக்கெல்லாம் ஆச்சர்யம் தரவில்லை. ரசனை எத்தனை வறண்டு போயிருந்தால் யுவனெல்லாம் பாடகராக முடியும்!!! இடையில் திப்பு, ரீட்டா போன்றவர்களைப் 'பாட வைத்து' ஒரு சத்திய சோதனையே செய்தார் ராஜா. ஒரு நண்பர் சொன்னது போல் ராஜாவுக்கு இணையாக இன்னொரு இசைக் கலைஞர் நிச்சயம் இல்லை. இருந்தாலும் தனது இசை வாழ்க்கையின் ஓய்வுப் பகுதியான இக்கால கட்டத்தில் ஒரு அரசனுக்குரிய கம்பீரத்துடன் ராஜா பணிபுரிய வேண்டும் என்ற கட்சி நான்- ரெண்டு வருடத்துக்கு ஒரே படம் என்றாலும்.
Plum & V_S,
I respect your sentiments. At the same time we probably can't expect anything different from a public discussion board like this, isn't it? This is not moderated until necessary. (Ofcourse people can have their fight with mods but overall I am perfectly fine with the philosophy followed here.) So I think it is probably too much to expect this bulletin board to not resemble real life but an ideal life. That happens in many groups which are present in yahoo, facebook and orkut. These are highly moderated groups, many of whom only discuss Raja's music and not his character per se. But then those groups have their own limitations as not accepting _any_ criticism of Raja at all. It gets boring beyond a point.
I don't deny that many worthless people may be attacking Raja but unfortunately to criticize someone you don't need any qualification. Ofcourse it is a pain to read people pontificating on how Raja should be humble or should not have done this etc. It does hurt when someone makes a stupid comment like "He makes Yuvan sing, therefore he is useless." But since this is a public place, I don't see how these things can be avoided. The only two ways of countering it are to put forth our view and keep on at it or ignore the comments and continue. Even now you can see that Chandramohan has started the next, "Raja should spend his retirement like a king" type of comment. I am planning to ignore it and if he continues on the same vein, ignore him as well. No one can force us to respond to every argument nor can anyone force us to respect other person's views.
So I am hoping both of you will get back here soon and continue. We cannot do business if we are afraid of these folks.
Suresh,
asalu em jarigindhi maashtaaru?
nalla sollunga sureshji... perusugalukku puriyattum!
bytheby... plum wanted! unga terror raajyam ingE thodarattum: TF quiz section
aakarsh,
A lot of people went on the 'Raja is not humble' and 'Raja should not speak anything which sort of praises himself' and all that jazz. You know the routine. One poster made a comment that Raja has not really achieved anything great just that he added a bit more WCM, which was anyway present earlier and so on. This sort of pissed of Plum and V_S. Plum of course has been anti hypocrisy person, saying that why should Raja be a hypocrite and why can't he speak his mind. There is no need to be politically correct. V_S on the other hand was hurt by the way people with their agendas go after Raja for everything, real and imaginary. That is what happened.
plum...
idhulaam neenga itthana varushamaa ungalukkaaga sedhukkuna character'ku konjam kooda match aagala... solten :evil:
V_S kadhai enakku sutthamaa puriyala...
orutthar pOnaa ellaarum poga thodangiduvaanga....
engala patthi neenga, plum ellaam enna nenachuttu irukkeenga...??
neenga ezhudhurappo kaitthatti padikkanum... mudiyaadhunu neenga uttutupOna otthukkanumaa... enna maadhiri protocol idhu??? :evil:
SS,
Well said. I think Plum now has the fatigue of a revolutionary :)
Sureshji (& Akarsh),
I think there may be more than what you've posted w.r.t. Plum's decision :confused:
He is tough enough i.e. courageous enough not to take this extreme step of leaving the forum simply based on some 'psuedo-humility-mafia-threat'.
In any case, it's a big loss to a reader like me who loves his posts :-(
my understanding is, he was banned and eventually he took that extreme step...
Gentlemen,
I don't understand this, may be someone can explain. I really don't mind, even if you are going to BAN my account because of my views here, I will continue to visit this place as I spent more than a decade and spent a lots of time reading each one of your views. No one is wrong about Raja sir here . People like me may sound stupid to you, but our word counts. What is wrong in asking why is yuvan singing for Raja or a simillar question about him? If you are highly intelligent and if you think we are stupid, it is not fair, but of course, you have a choice to ignore that message and move on to the next one. Instead of that, calling each other's views as stupid means you are shunning the confidence of a Raja fan to participate in this forum. Tomorrow we all will go away from this place because one day we will die for sure. But this forum should be alive forever. New people should continue to come here and express their thirst to explore more to know more about THE KING without any fear. This is not about freedom of speech, but something else.
This is a public place and we agree that we all love Raja sir. We all come here hoping to talk about him and to know more about him. what is wrong about it? many of us are not proficient enough to discuss his musical notes or works, but we all love to listen to 'only his music'. We all love to know and share the stories, magics and miracles behind his songs.
Every Raja fan has the right to express anything he thinks about Raja, his music, his life etc etc.
BAN ME IF I AM WRONG.
iyyaho! :notthatway: juntha, please calm down.
http://www.naderlibrary.com/astrangecover17x.jpg
This forum is known for being an open and accomodative one. It's just that sometimes certain 'repeated concerns' can get to some people. Me thinks this is the reason for V_S and plum keeping away. Let's leave that choice to them and continue with BAU. shaanthi nilava vEndum.
Plum is watching everyone. Closely. From above.
http://www.brownbagfilms.com/images/.../07/Batman.jpg
rajaramsgi,
I am not in favor of banning anyone until they are deliberately posting inflammatory material or they are abusive. All other views are not be banned.
Coming to the question you asked, when someone has the right to give advice to Raja here or tell that he is a 'tala ganam manushan' etc, someone else also has the right to call that view stupid or to ignore such poster. I think that is consistent with what I would look forward in this bulletin board. Do go ahead and give your opinion on anything related to Raja. Other also have the right to give their opinion on your post or ignore you. If that hurts someone's confidence, that's bad. No one is crying that posts here are hurting Raja's confidence are they? So when you post be ready for a reaction or be ready to be ignored.
And don't worry about this forum being alive. There are enough Raja fans (and detractors) around that even if all of us vanish this forum will sustain itself.
"If you are highly intelligent and if you think we are stupid"
Now what does that make people advising Raja, asking him not to use a particular singer or going hammer and tongs on him? They are super intelligent and Raja is stupid? Why do you want one scale of justice for you and one for Raja? If someone wants to call Raja's decision stupid, they should be ready if someone else calls their post stupid.
So, same rule for everyone. Whether it be Raja or a poster here.
ippidiyE pOchuna samsaram adhu minsaaram maadhiri 'IR albums' section la naduvula oru periya kOdu pOda vEndiyadhaa irukkum.
medication: kattipudi vaidhyam.
suggested plan of action: avaavaa avaavaalukku pudicha paatta paththi pEsungo. vaaikka thagaraaru vEndaam.
KV :)
I can understand your sentiments. Ofcourse we don't want vaikkaa thagaraaru here. Just that when somebody starts a thagaraaru he/she should know there can be a reaction and sometimes not to their liking :)
Anyway, let us get along by giving more titbits about NEP. Which means I will have to end my post now :lol: Suddenly the NEVP fellows have gone into radio silence mode.