Tamil's elderliness to world languages

Mr. Sivajayan wrote,

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You mentioned pariyan as greek above. Is it related to ariyarns like Asirians with Asurar?

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Persons of funny mood will face crucial situation easier than persons of serious mood :!: The discussion you had with "AZhakana Alana" is interesting :!: Continue crackers frequently :!:

Aryan,Indo-European,Aryan invasion and such like terms are imaginery and I may add these in the discussion later. We will go from Will Durant- Maxmuller to latest Aryan theory owners after some time :!:

Pari means horse. Pariyans were not Aryans. In 'tamil is elder to Sanskrit' Thread I revealed 'Aryans' are Hothaas-Othuvaars. We can call Aryan theory as 'Arya Mayai'.

f.s.gandhi

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The discussion you had with "AZhakana Alana" is interesting :!: Continue crackers frequently :!:

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As interesting as the meaningless discussion you were having before with yourself? Well, thanks for calling me "azhakana", i hope that one day your amma, akka ot manisi will be called "AZhakana" with exactly the same meaning you called me...

sivajayan wrote

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Alana, you can come to Holland. The Dutch are very tolerant in that matter and you'll find a lot of more LOLAs too. No need to wait until St. Christopher's Day to come. You can be what you are every day and every night

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oru LOLAyalthan innoru LOLAlai kandupidikka mudiyum :wink:

I've been wondering abt the curious similarity of 'Vetri' (Tamil) w/ 'Victory' (English)........both meaning the same, cud it be the latter was derived from the former as a result of sum cross-cultural race mix??

How about "Lamby" and "Thamby" ;)

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Originally Posted by Sandeep

How about "Lamby" and "Thamby" ;)

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Um....nope, firstly they don't mean the same......nor r they pronounced the same.......(Thamby = Thumby :wink: ) :lol2:

Ventru(tamil)- Vettri(tamil)

Ventral-Vincere(Latin)-Vincere(French)- Vincery-victory(English) is the evolution.

f.s.gandhi

TAMIL CULTURE IN ANCIENT ERAN & ERAK(ASIRIA)

Mr. Will Durant (The story of civilization) Mr. H.R. Hall ( The Ancient history of near East), B.S.Upaththiyaya ( Feeders of Indian Culture), Robert Bruce Foote ( The Foote collection of Indian Prehistoric and Protohistoric antiquities), Ankar Bible Dictionary, The New Encyclopaedia Britannica 15th Edition shall give light on history of Asirian civilization.

An Abstract of the above is as follows :

The civilization that prevailed in the capital "ASUR" is called Asirian civilization. During 1110 BCE Asirians came into power and reached their height during 975 BCE. Before 1110 BCE they were under Sumerians first and Babylonieans next.

Sumerians created civilization. Babyloneans made it peak. And Asiraians maintained that peak. Asur (present Kalath-Sherkath), Arpela (present Irbil), Kalak (present nimrut), Ninavae ( present Queenjik) were important cities of Asiria.

Armenia,Siria, Methiya,Balesthene,Fonesia,Sumeria,Elam & Babylonea were under Asirian rule. From Kaakkas mountain to Egypt, Asirians ruled.

Babylon God Marthuk(tamil Maruthu) was made servant of Asur God.

Asirians were same civilizational group of Babylonieans. In Asiria, North was Asirian and South was Babyloneans. Babyloneans were great traders with wealth. Asirians were great landlords with wealth.

God Asur was a Surya God.(Tamil sun worship).He was portrayed as god of perishing merciless & arrogant towards enemies.

We have already seen that during 900 BCE in siriya & Asia Minor, Uoorarthu / Aarrath people prevailed. It was difficult for Asirians to control them. Aarrath people called themselves as Kalthiyas(tamil Kaltheyam). Their God's name is Kalthis. They called themselves as Warrior community.Their language was 'Vanni'(Tamil Vanni-a surname now in Thanjavur and a main caste group of northern TamilNadu) Their symbols were found near 'Vaan' lake (Tamil Vaan -sky/ water area- a lake is called 'Vaan Poikai" in sankam literature 'pattinappaalai 39-In this tamils' prehistoric foreign trade also is mentioned)

With Uoorarthi people, People called "Mannai"(tamil mannai means king/ruling class-Now This surname exists in Mannaarkudi area in tamilnadu) had marriage relationship and these people lived in Eran.

Asur means "lively / Uyirmaiyana",energetic or enormous power holding.

Ayir-Uyir-Asur is the evolution.Sumeria got 'The wheel for urn making' from Elam region. Elam region got this from tamils. And Asirians main trade was this urn making and they were also called uyavian. Tamil Uyavu means 'Chakkaram'/ wbeel. Asiriyan's were well in manufacturing Iron weapons. In tamil "Ayil" means Iron. Asiriyans God was made in Iron and called as Asi/Ayi.

B.S. Upaththiyaya says, 'Kalak'(tamil kalai) was artistic city.

Asirians were the heterogenius people of Kaththiyar,Chemiyar & Kakkas region Kurthish. All these people's basic culture is Dravidian/Tamilian.Kurthish were mountain people. They were from Kaltheyars.

One more Asirian God was called 'Asura Majesta'(Tamil Asura Maayam). The tamil battle practices like putting enemies on sharp edge (kazhuvil Etruthal), removing skin(Tholai uriththal), cutting tongue (nakkai Aruththal), taking out eyes (kannai nonduthal) were followed by Asiriyans.(These phrases still now used in colloquial Tamil)

A kaththiyan temple was called 'Fokazi Koyi' (tamil- pakavan koyil). Uoorarthu / Aararthu (tamil Aaram) people lived around mountain. In Asirian document Aararthu was symbolized as mountain country.

Aararthu people called their land as also 'Fyai nili'(Tamil-poikai nilam). In Aramaic and Siriyan languages the mountain of Aararthu was called as 'Karthu malai'(tamil kal malai) and the people were called 'Kortheyar"(Tamil Kaltheyar). The word Armeniar was also from this root Aaram.

Aararthu kings were Aaramu(Tamil Aaram/Maalai), Menuva(Tamil Manu), Erimena(tamil Eri mannan) -all tamil names.

People of Methiya which was under Asirian rule, worshipped moon and it was called 'Mathi'.(Tamil mathi means Chandran)

Asirian followed "Majes" (Tamil Maayon) worship. Thus throughout Asirian civilization we see tamil culture & language.

Next We shall go into Persia (Present Paakistan,Palusistan,Afghanistan & Eran)

f.s.gandhi

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Originally Posted by F.S.Gandhi vandayar

Ventru(tamil)- Vettri(tamil)

Ventral-Vincere(Latin)-Vincere(French)- Vincery-victory(English) is the evolution.

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Tks! :D Tat was very informative & interesting!

TAMIL CULTURE IN ANCIENT PERSIA (present Eran)

Again we rely on Will Durant, H.R.Hall,B.S.Upathyaya, P.T. Srinivasa Iyengar & Ankar Dictionary. V.S.V. Raghavan's 'Hiraattas' also gives some light about the history of Persian Rule.

During 600 BCE Asirian rule came to end. Siria & West parts were captured by Babyloneans. Methiyas captured Tigris river parts & Aararthu. There was good understanding between Babyloneans & Methiyans.

During 550 BCE King Syras Captured Methiya and won over King Astiyakas.Persians belonged to same race of Methiyans(Eraniyans). They were mixer of North Dravidian+Mangolian-land connection and South Dravidians(Tamils) connection+Chemiththian-Sea connection. The Culture contained Dravidian elements in higher proportion.

The present Areas from Sinthu to Kabul were under Asirian,Methian & Persians one after another.

Syras was called as Elam(Elam anshan-tamil elam anuvan- Anu in tamil means 'sun') king by Babyloneans. Greeks called him as Persian. Persians called him as Akkamanian. Compeeses & Tarius were other important kings. During Tarius rule Persians reached peak.

During this time a great phylosopher "Zarathustra" lived. Zarathustra gave new explanation to Old "Majesta"(Tamil Mayam) theory. Zarathustra religion God was Ahura Majesta/Asura Majesta(Tamil Asura Mayam).'Thayeevar'(perishing God- Tamil Thevar) was specified as Inthira and he was portrayed as enemy of Ahura Majesta.

Instead of burying dead bodies Zarathustra insisted to put first for bird / dog eating. Hirattas(a history writer before christian era) also specifies this. Hirattas also categorises the Priest class as was called 'Mazi' (Maya) who did rituals of old Asura religion and were considered as enemies to Zarathustras.

Persia was called as Faars, Pars & Parsumaash- all means Horse land.(tamil pari means horse). Near Persia a place was called as (Maliyan-tamil Malai). A village called 'Kusa'(tamil kuyavu-kusavu) where Urn making was done. Syras was called Akkamanian-indegenious man(Tamil Aka manayan means Ulloorkaaran – a person of native area)

King Syras was also called 'Kurush'. In Hebrew he was called as 'Koras' (tamil Kurusil). King Tarius was called Thrayawash-means sea man (Tamil Thiraiyavan)

Zarathustra 'Arththa'-Zarathustra theology(Tamil Arththa-Aram-Araththathu-Araththaaru). False was specified as 'Thravuka'(Tamil Thurokam/ Thurukam)

For writing two things were used. 1. Elakkani(Tamil Elakkani means tool used to write in palm leaves). 1. Kalam (ink vessel-tamil- kalam). This 'kalam' is used in all West Asian languages including Hindi(Urdu)to specify pen.

Eventhough Persian people differed worship of tamil Inthiran / Tamil Maayon (Maaji) worship these two was the base to evolve out new religion Zarathustra. In language, they used only tamilian language.

Next We go into Persian's "Jent Avesta-a" Zarathustra religion book / Persian religion book which is often compared with Vedhic religion of India.

f.s.gandhi

thiru FSG

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