Reservation system

I am missing something here. The point about "merit". Though the point is not without merit I think it is blown out of proportion.

Yesterday on Times Now, I saw Delhi Univ medical students agitating. One of the students interviews was genuinely angry about the reservation. She said "would you place your life in the hands of an incompetent person". This is an argument that is widely made and wholeheartedly subscribed to by many. And IMO the argument is flawed.

Entrance test based admissions is more a rejection procedure than a sensitive evaluation of merit. There are not enough seats for all applicants so we have the entrance exam scores to be the determinants. As competition intensifies the cut-offs cut-offs become extremely sharp and people get rejected upto two decimal points !! It is ridiculous to suppose the selected person is better (or to use the expression of the season: more competent) than the the rejected one.

Anyone who has looked at how close the cutoffs for the various categories are getting will say that the candidates who are finally selected are not "incompetent" by any stretch of imagination.

There are other problems with reservation as the target group is largely missed and people who ought to be able to compete in the open garner the benefits (this is once again proven by how close the cut-offs for the various categories are). But I don't think competency is as big an issue as it is being made out to be.

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

Yesterday on Times Now, I saw Delhi Univ medical students agitating. One of the students interviews was genuinely angry about the reservation. She said "would you place your life in the hands of an incompetent person". This is an argument that is widely made and wholeheartedly subscribed to by many. And IMO the argument is flawed.

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You are right! That was what some American whites said about Indian doctors (in the 1960s). I remember meeting some Americans who swore that they would never go to an Indian doctor. They didn't think the Indians were competent.
See how things have changed now about 40 years later.

rajraj wrote:

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They didn't think the Indians were competent.
See how things have changed now about 40 years later.

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I think you are getting confused between two diff. points here.
Indian doctors , then and now are products of a superior medical training and house surgeon program which the americans were not aware of. So it was ignorance on their part. In effect, they were discriminating against someone who was meritorious, yet sidelined due to race or origin. Now the case that these students are making is, how abt a person who passed out with lesser grades and with questionable merit treating you as a doctor. I thinkk that is a question born out of common sense. Now Affirmative policies in IBm or any other company started first as "No- prejudice" movements. We in India, atleast in higher educational institutions and professional orgs have no prejudice with our colleague because that person is a woman or if that person belongs to XXX caste. Our views and judgements are purely based on performance. So instead of harping on reservations/quotas in pvt sector, the focus should be on providing high quality - subsidised(or free) education for students from downtrodden/oppressed sections. That increases confidence and performance in an individual by the time he/she is knocking the doors of IIT/IIM/Infosys/IBM or for that matter even government jobs. He/She will have his/her collar up as the position/job was secured purely on merit. This is what the result should be. Not the other way around, where a person comes to the yard, signs in attendance, has nothing to go so pack to home, participate in some elections and develop caste base to handle opposition from others who are struggling to perform and progress in their career.
Now tell me, has the government really accomplished its objectives of uplifting the downtrodden by way of blindly implementing reservation in Bachelor's degree and government jobs? Now even USA is debating on whether the kind of affirmative action program is succesful or not. So having a tight shut policy of reservation for 2000 years is not going to help anybody. I repeat ! I am in favour of reservation system that boosts confidence of the person enjoying its benefits.

This is what Barkha Dutt of NDTV has to say on reservation system http://www.ndtv.com/columns/showcolumns.asp?id=1034

My Take on this Issue
http://rajasaranam.blogspot.com/2006...g-post_28.html

Pretty late to post my views I guess. Anyways better late than never..

I voted Yes: but not 50%, reason being there are still people who are genuinely downtrodden even as late as the Class of 2006 and have found all the reservation benifits useful. So it should be there, but are there really 50-69% of your graduating class really underpriveleged ?

I mean after admission, irrespective of our caste origin we all get the same education. only difference we have is the fee we pay. Qualifying for the govt's reservation quota is'nt exactly propotional to unable to afford the education path you choose.

Morover if one of the parent has enjoyed the benifit, arent they well of enough to give their next generation a good education ?

If you are qualified (read JEE) enough for the IIT education level of challenges then you're in otherwise you're out. And would it really make a difference if I did'nt make to the IITs or IIMs ? I did'nt study in an IIT/IIM does that mean I am unfit for survival ? Whether I study in an IIT or any engineering college am still considered an engineering graduate. I would have enough tools with me to get a job and manage a family. Well the point here is, with each state having its own reservation system, why touch the IITs IIMs and finally now the private sector jobs too ?

Am not completely for/against the reservation system:
*the rigid percentage
*there is no conditions imposed on the qualification for reservation system other than their community origin.

Almost 60 years of freedom and still people are being humiliated, burnt alive, killed and oppressed in the name of caste :(
Even while reserved, elections cant be conducted in paapapatti, naatarmangalam and keeripatti think of the state if the constituency was unreserved...
An elected panchayat leader had his head severed off because he was from a dalit community....
A person who asked about his rights was made to eat human excreta because he was from a dalit community...
A girl was made blind by hitting with a stick by the teacher because she drank water from the pot meant for uppercastes...
17 people were killed by the barbaric police in Thamirabarani since they were dalits and asked for rightful wages...
46 Dalit people including women and children were burnt alive in KeezhVenmani by the local landlord since they asked for 'Oru padi' Rice more as their wage...
there are still 5000+ villages in Thamizhnaadu where 'Dual Glass' system is prevelant in Teashops....
All these and many more atrocities which have not come to limelight are being commited against human beings in TN where Periyaar Lived.

Reservation system is not a foolproof system to eradicate these evils but it does provides some social upliftment to these downtrodden people. If the people standing against reservation provide some more viable and better solution to the eradication of caste you are welcome. but hey stop being too nice and say 'naan jaathi paakrathu illa' so reservation system 'irukka koodathu'.
From the birth till death in every aspect of life people carry their castes on their shoulders... for Uppercastes its pride and for the lower castes its shame and a burden.

Ambedkar or periyaar the propenents of reservation system were very clear that these reservation system could only fulfil partial upliftment of the status of the people. Only through intercaste marriages the whole system could be abolished.

Well now i say lets reserve all 100% seats and jobs for the people who have done intercaste marriage and to their kins. This system will come to an end within 2 generations. How many of you can do it?? even the well learned and fairly forward in thinking fellow hubber was not able to go against his parents wishes how will the normal people go for it??? it has to be implemented with Iron hands like in a totalitarian state.

Uptil then the current Reservation system is the only gleam of hope

Got a forward on reservation :

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I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.

We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.

Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.

There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and
politicians (that can really help the country.. )

Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..)

Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Let's show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of being an INDIAN..

May the good breed of politicans like ARJUN SINGH long live..

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Originally Posted by rami

Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..)

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:lol: :clap:
This one esp. is good! :thumbsup: :D

Lets hope it happens!

rami,

WOW POST :clap:

REcent issue of outlook talks bout ppl who benefitted from reservation policy. anyone read it?