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We also need to know the % of improvement in the lives of BC/OBC since the quota system was introduced . Anybody has the stats ?
IMO, if there is no significant change in their lives, its no use continuing with the quota mechanism bcaz it might not reach the deserving candidates
thats not a fair arguement......they have been oppressed for centuries and we expect turnaround in decades :) .........it will take time.......but i can give a fantastic example.....one of our presidents came from dalit community :clap: .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Billgates
as sriranga said our PDS model is a flop for anything/everything, so we dont know how much it reached them...........also, i saw a CNN-IBN news article showing how easy it is to get a SC/ST certificate....they "bought" the certificate rite in front of our eyes in 10 minutes :oops:
i dont think anyone here will oppose to economical status based reservation...........as bill said, a temple poosari gets Rs.400 or 500 as his monthly salary from govt.......how can he be a fwd ?? my only wish is that these poor ppl. shuld also be added in reservation bandwagon..........avanga thaatha, thaatha-voda thaatha panna thappukku ivanga enna pannuvaanga?? varumai-la kodumaikku vera aalaganuma?
One way to identify economic backwardness may be >> pick those who are living in slums , roads etc & give them free education, quota & jobs also.
We can safely assume that atleast 2 generation of SC/ST/ OBCs have benefitted by quota since it was formed.
Now these guys should lose their SC/ST/OBC status & get classified under NORMAL group . Otherwise whats happening currently is that the same guys continue to enjoy the benefits for their next generation. Consequently, there is a big race within the Dalits for quota
This competition within themselves can only delay the rehabilitation ( reform ) process
it all boils down to identifying the deserving people and ensuring that it reaches them. A fool proof system has to be evolved to ensure that only the deserving reap the benefits of reservation.
It looks supreme court has put logical conditons for creamy layer. May be more clarity will come in few days.
Thamizh medium-la padicha students-la avanga bright students, no doubt. But, after 12 years of education in tamil, they struggled in engineering due to their lack of english knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
The resevation system, though, guaranteed them a seat in engineering, didn't help them after that.
I am just pointing one of the areas where reservation system had failed in its objective. These issues need to be addressed.
Thanks for the info Joe.
Maddy, it is all about opening new avenues to sections of the populations who have not been able to make it due to social conditions and even mindsets ingrained over the years.
The yen for higher education grows with exposure. In communities traditionally underexposed to higher education, the tendency to think of "some college education" itself as an achievement has to go. This is where this reservation will make a big difference. Communities which are underexposed to higher education opportunities will really benefit a great deal from this reservation.
It just does not pay to think of it as retribution - that is the language politicians would like us to believe. If at all there is an unfairness in the whole thing it is with the creamy layer eating up the reserved seats and thereby defeating the very purpose of the reservation.
This is why I am thrilled by the judgement directing the government to exclude the creamy layer in the implementation of this reservation.
Hmm .Pls don't generalise .There are so many people studied in thamizh medium and they not only became Engineers ,but IAS officers ..Even Dr.Abdul kalam studied in Thamizh medium only.Quote:
Originally Posted by sriranga
Myself studied in thamizh medium only upto 12th and I didn't struggle anywhere because I studied in Thamizh medium.
If at all any lack of standard in that ,that is because of the poor maintenance and care taken by the Govt for rural area schools ,which failed to give standard education and facilities for students ,not because of Thamizh medium.
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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram