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Suresh,
Me too enjoying NL songs. But I liked NK songs 1% more than NL :D
The themes of these two movies are completely different. NL songs are to do more with human emotions... Like, yearning for mother's affection... But NK songs are slightly different from this... It is more of spiritual, search of god, self realisation etc etc....
But as the movies release, I'm sure NL bgm will have more value than NK's...
Just cant wait for the release...
Adhu sari..Yateeswaranukku thaathaa mela enna kobamo..see how he ends "KOOTTAME.." :D
I'm gonna pounce on you... :lol: J/k...Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Seriously, I don't feel so ... :)
I remember Kanne Kalaimaane type of composition in this song... Pure IR :D
(anyways, I'll listen to it very carefully to check it)
May be its not about mordern fans, its about fans compromising. To decide if this is a good album by yourself, count all his 800+ albus in order and fit Nandala in and you decide yourself. Here I am not comparing IR with any one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
In my book of diary, Nandalala comes in 700+ range.
NK comes in 100-200 range.
In your book of diary, if this comes in 100+ range, so be it.
Follow this approach rather than comparing your taste with a fellow "mordern fan" taste or current MDs.
Namma IR-e andha paatula konjam different-a paada try panni irukkar. Listen to these lines in 2nd charanam. "Kanna engalaiyum ungal kootil sethukollu...." :sigh2: :yessir:Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Just listen around the charanam ending, before and at the place where he sings "bhoomiyil anaadhai yaar.."Quote:
I remember Kanne Kalaimaane type of composition in this song... Pure IR
(anyways, I'll listen to it very carefully to check it)
I get that old Uzhavan ARR feel..
Enna..RS kaanom ?! Enge sir neenga ? come on..come to the first bench :)
K, please listen to Mella oorndhu again and see the variation everyt time the second line is repeated in the pallavi. Also, try to sing the song yourself..you'll find it sounds easy ..but very difficult to sing because the whole song is set to a low key but still has the nuances..Quote:
Originally Posted by K
Onnukonnu..is a classic melody ..and see why it needs a KJY in the later part of the charanam..
thalaattu ..is again a classic ..and even IR hints with a thenpandi seemaiyile kind of flute phrase in the beginning..watch for IR's voice modulation in various parts ..(eg. thavichu etc)
IR's singing in this album is a lesson in bhaavam for new singers ..
kai veesi smacks of KR's handiwork but he has acquitted himself well..only that his style of following the vocals exactly with a violin or some instruments drives me nuts..
Re: synth. I checked the sounds with another ARR mp3 munbe vaa.. seems to be in the same ball park in terms of sound quality..Maybe in the final mix ARR has 'secret sauce' filter to smooth things out..But I have a suspicion these guys are all using similar equipment by now...atleast the main synth.
Tell me what style is - nEthu oruthar oruthara parthOm song ?Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
njv,
Once I asked a friend of mine, a big fan of Ledzepplin, (so am I), as to which album of Ledzep he loved the most. He said, "It is always the one I am listening to at the point in time when in the question is asked" :) Well, with Illayaraja the same thing happens to me. Whichever I am listening to currently seems to a major work of art and I don't worry about ranking it. My ears, heart and mind tell me that I am enjoying most of the songs of this album. So I just go ahead and enjoy them. When we some day list out Raja's best albums and Nandala figures only in the bottom that's fine. Today, this is giving me joy and that I cannot deny it.
S.Suresh
Ivvalavu Naalum Naan Sollittu thaane Irunthaen 'Raaja still has the same fire its the fans who are not able comprehend'nnu.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Now I wish to be a silent observer :)
BTW will comment on the ALbum NL later, There are somethings Which i want to Decipher first... for example the songs 'Melle Oornthu' & 'Oru Vaandu kootame' has some sounds and orchestration describing nature and the astonishment of kids minds which looks at everything with awe. Iam yet to understand the nuances 'Periyavangal' aayitoom illa :P May be my son will understand these songs better for he was the one who made me understand the title song of unreleased movie 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'.
RS,
unga manasa purijukkaama iththanai naal veenaa poittome...............( stretch it like Shivaji )
ok. The tempo of of "kai veesi.." makes me visualize a kid running with his outstretched hands ( like Shoaib Aktar after he takes a wicket, buterfly ? ). Power of music ! :D
I completely agree and even i am in the the boat with you. For e.g. even through NK is not the best that IR produced, I am still enjoying it, but its not the same for Nandalala.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Another thing, I have not learned Carnatic/Western music, so I definitely can not appreciate the technical aspects of it, so ifs technically richer, I pity myself that I dont understand Nandalala. Even made attempt to learn but I guess I am not gifted.
Happy to hear that Raja was't mad for chopping 3 songs from the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fliflo
I don't care about him getting awards at the national level. I see Mysskin is the only director who can get some attention globally through Tamil movies. Though it is very early to predict it now, he has the potential to do it. I just wish him to come up with some original scripts. I hope his NandhalAlA will be one step forward in his career.
But as a fan, I am not able to digest this.Quote:
Happy to hear that Raja was't mad for chopping 3 songs from the movie.
Who is going to notice these gems if they are not picturized ?
If you are not really planned, why do you waste melodies of IR like this ? :angry2:
At last, that worst gypsy number is going to be in the film and people are going to say "Why did Myskkin go away from Sundar CB ? "
I am not ready to accept that IR will be noticed for his re-recording. No ! How many people appreciated Hey Ram's BGM ? We are cheating ourselves by thinking so !
njv,
I appreciate your view point on Nandala and as you say tastes do differ. I respect that.
I think you are as serious a listener as anyone else and being trained or not trained in music is not at all an issue. I also cannot learn music however hard I try. So whatever little I know of technical aspects is purely out of listening to music.
S.Suresh
Nandala is a great album, in my opinion.
I would rank Kai Veesi nadanthidum kaatre song as IR's best in recent times in line with Kaiyetha (Vinodayatra).
For those who are comparing NL with NK.... NK is in a different league and NL is in a different league.
being an avid Raja songs listener and an avid avoider of all the new songs (Cacophonic reasons) except those that appeal to me like Vaaranam Aayiram...i guess am slightly qualified to pass a judgement that NL should rank as one of Raja's best in recent times and hope that songs like Kai veesi become a chartbuster... and would be surprised if doesn't considering the likes of Kangal Irandaal (another subtle melody) made it big.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/44298.html
IR pained when Myskinn broke the news about using only 2 songs. IR bluntly asked him if the songs werent to the mark ?
I dont know why IR doesnt get refreshing duet situtions such as the ones in Nenjthai killathe :)
The first song in Nandalala is nothing but gibberish :)
Kai veesum sounds like a song in his Friends movie. KJY song is yet another pathos song (even though not as catchy as in Kannukkul Nilavu - Iravu Pagalai).....
I would say Myskin lacks music knowledge as I wonder how could he have accepted these songs. IR certainly sounds over the hill. Everytime IR releases a new album, I faithfully visit the site with so much of expectations and eagerness. Naan Kadavul was an OK album (as my taste is more of melodies). Nandalala has some peaceful songs although nothing exceptional.
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/44298.html
IR pained when Myskinn broke the news about using only 2 songs. IR bluntly asked him if the songs werent to the mark ?
I wouldn't be surprised if IR asks Myskkin not to come to him anymore.
All the songs show that IR has put his heart over the project and worked. The greatest pain is your hard efforts going unnoticed.
Earlier it used to be very rare for a song to go unpicturized.
But nowadays, people working with IR seem to take him for granted.
Kamal did it in Virumandi. Result, the great potential hit "Kombula poova suthi" went unnoticed.
Fazil did it with his ANOK.
Balki did it in Cheenikum.
AR.Murugadoss did that in Ramana. The song "Vennilavin perai.." went unnoticed..
Bala did it in Pithamagan. Instead of that fantastic thiruvizha song, he included that crappy Simran comedy song !
For a song to be remembered, it should be able to be played in TV ! Why people dont understand this simple fact ?! :banghead:
Poor IR ! You rejected sincere directors like Mani when they approached you..now you suffer all this :( :(
IR really needs to hire a manager and PR adviser. Conspicuously missing from important music releases is like snubbing the director/producer (I don't follow anyone else in TFM, so I don't know if this is standard behavior - but it feels offensive). I'm sure IR doesn't intend anything bad, but maybe if he handled these things better he might get better projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
raja_fan:
Please don't ever say that Raja shouldn't work with Mysskin again. Even if he wants background scores alone for his movies from Raja, he should not hesitate to do them for him. Please wait for the movie release and after seeing the movie, I think we can come to a conclusion. What if the movie demands only two songs??
Hi Guys, Sorry to digress here. on the ARR thread for his new movie delhi-6, Karthik of INETK has given a first 300 word review and claiming it as one of the best ever soundtracks he has heard. I went ahead and listened and found absouletly nothing special. Believe me i have heard a lot of ARR songs including his hit ones and this one does not even come close. Same peppy rhythms and his usual high pitched crooning in between that seems to have become his signature nowdays. Iam just bringing this up to illustrate that when someone's stars are shining brightly like ARR everything they do is overhyped and projected as better than actually what it is. By the way i already responded similarly in that thread so for those who go there sorry for the duplication. Sorry again for digression but could not help when something is overhyped while on the other hand a brilliant album like Nandhalala is dismissed as being outdated.
rprasad,
inga edhukkunga idhayellam ezhudhareenga?
Secondly, who dismissed Nandalala as being outdated?
A Song Composed before some 20+ years says that "நேற்று இல்லே நாளை இல்லே எப்பவும் நான் ராஜா கோட்டை இல்லே கொடியும் இல்லே அப்பவும் நான் ராஜா" so he dose not need any one to prove any thing, he is what he is and who knows him will agree. Raaja "THAAN KADAVUL"(Isaiku).Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222
But how does that justify IR not appearing for his own music releases?Quote:
Originally Posted by K
Well i did not want to write anything here but could not help it. Anyway my point was to highlight that hype can be used to create and condition listeners minds on certain albums.
I am mainly referring to Karthiks reviews. Now i know it is just his opinion and does not matter what he thinks. But the fact is he posts it in a public forum for everyone to read. And whether you agree or not it does shape a potential listeners mind when he listens to the album after reading the review. One cannot dismiss it as having no impact at all. It does. when he writes a 300 word review some people do think that this must be a special album and there must be something special in the songs and they do tend to listen to it more carefully and give multiple hearings as well. And we all know when a decent song is heard multiple times it becomes a great song in some peoples minds. Now the same Karthik said the sounds in Nandhalala are outdated and gave an average review. So this does impact potential listeners. now i am not saying he should stop reviews at all, but he should get a little perspective on kind of terminology to use in a review especially when the album is clearly a good one. I still cannot get over his statement on Malleppovu , Chirugali number when he said it was kiddish. That is the height of mispresentation of a brilliant composition.
Sorry again . Lets get back to enjoying Nandhalala songs.
Sir, firstly we dont need to discuss this here. and also, it is a blog by Karthik and he already has a disclaimer that the content on his blog is purely his opinion, based on what he likes and dislikes. I dont see anything wrong in it. And also, he himself liked so many IR scores (the 1st song of Nandhalaala) and dislike many ARR sccores too (Ghajini..he called certain songs pedestrian). So, all said and done, the blog is about his personal taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by rprasad
And also, it is just a myth that if a certain song is heard multiple times, it is rated high. Artificiality cannot last long. we might find something trendy now, but ultimately we will listen something 5 years from now, only if we really and wholeheartedly like it today. And it applies to any album or any composer.
And also, i dont know what is meant by hype for a certain album. An album is good and there are many fans out there praising it. Fair enough, their choice. I liked Naan Kadavul, Nandhalaala a lot and on the other hand Delhi 6 also a lot. All that matters is just our liking sir. Hype is all about media mileage and our likes and dislikes are not going to be affected by any hype or media mileage right. Enjoy whatever you like. and ignore the rest. lets not mix up things and waste time cribbing about what others are saying.
btw, I am very much impressed with 1st song of Nandhalaala. It has got unique sound, arrangements. Brilliant.
THe comments 'kiddish', 'outdated' deserve 100 :lol:s on inet karthik. Because no good music has expiry date, they may just have relation to some particular period.
imo Nandhalala melodies are better.
but just look at the music quality in Delhi-6! The levels of the instruments and vocals are perfect in Delhi-6, enhancing the listening pleasure. It is just not perfect in NL. The bass levels are too low in "veesi", the percussion levels are too low in "Vaandu koottame"... its sad that such a great work may not appear as great because of poor sound engineering.
OK, just read his review on Nandalala. While i agree with a few points of his, i have big problems in general with his reviews of late (to the point of reminding myself not to take them seriously any more). Well, i always have the option of NOT reading them. He just writes his opinion. Naamalum namma opinion-a idam porul eval seval paathu ezhudhalaam, yaaru thaduthaanga? . :)
Back to Nandalala
Kai Veesu, Onnukkonnu and Mella Oorndhu are very much likeable :musicsmile: Kai Veesu is the pick of the album for me!
Keyboard/Piano sounds in recent Raaja albums have tended to sound rather 'flat'. I'm talking only about the sound. Contrast this with Mumbai Xpress!
exactly! A grand sound doesn't simply mean 200 violins or "rakkamma". A grand sound means acoustic sounding music that doesn't sound like a MIDI file.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Listen to "kandu kandu" from "Innathe chintha vishyam" (released 2008) - nothing "grand" - but the sounds are so much more pleasing than the ones used in NL. It also has some electronic sounds, but better chosen ones. Imagine NL melodies with that kind of sound.
btw, 'kai veesi' has shades of 'pachai niramey'(alaipaayudhey) or am i getting confused ?
I understand what rprasad is saying. There is a subtle difference between an opinion and a review. Most of the people now see karthik's site more as a review site and not a blog site. And the hype does influence people, as rprasad says.
rprasad: What Sanjeevi says is the best. We can only :) when someone calls a lovely melody like Chirugaali as 'kiddish'. When I read his comment and then heard the Chirugaali song I thought the word 'kiddish' was more apt for his musical taste :) The Dilli 6 review proves it.
S.Suresh
Yes, his recording has been the culprit for many of his albums going to the dust bin of the public without any notice. I think he should fire his sound engineers immediately or send them to get trained with latest technologies. How come pithAmagan and now NK were better recorded? pithAmagan, the album was mixed by Yuvan's people and NK was done by Raja's crew but still sounds better than NL. It is also possible that the songs may sound very good in his studio with the high-end speakers he has got. But does he ever try to see how the same songs sound in a walkman/small stereo systems? I seriously doubt it. I also think that he is in a comfort zone surrounded by a bunch of jalra people who don't even point out these things. It's frustrating to see an album like NL fails at this front and plays the spoil sport.
Thats the point i have been telling all this while. He does not care to see that his cds are available in the market and then he gives a statement in the website to us that we should not support piracy..EKSI..Quote:
Originally Posted by ananth222
I guess there is no one who has the guts to go up and tell him "Sir, We know u r a musical genius but....".. And yes...regarding the producers and directors should have really felt bad that he does not come to music release functions..the reasons he has been giving that his ego would be boosted etc etc wah re wah.. :D
yea, its true that they shower praises on him and IR doesn't like that... but really... its time everyone (including IR) showed some maturity. Incidentally, I was just listening to the song "raasa maharaasa" from "Maharaasan", towards the end the song goes "vilambaram venam'nu vaippaar ivar thalli... kozhi pudichanthundu, kaaka pudichathillai..." dunno if its hinted at IR. its time he learned to silently ignore the sycophants and show his own dignified presence to the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
btw, "kei veesi" sounds more like the top gun movie theme to me.
yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
remember ilangkaaththu veesudhey.... Pithamagan...
not exactly but close.. may be having some karaharapriya notes. Vinatha.
MrJudge, pardon the ignorance of a laywoman in acoustics like me, but can you tell me how the songs of late 70's like "sigappu rojakkaL" , "mudhal iravu" etc sound so good even today that we hardly notice any sound aspects for those songs?