Astrological Knowledge for better and meaningful life

"r_kk"

/// I do not have any intention to defeat any one here or make the discussion forum as battlefield.//

Your approach does not appear so... as you say..!!!

// I am asking some.... "simple questions"... which occurs in my mind while reading your...." lengthy writings"....//

Simple Questions ???... I am not an Astrologer.. nor a Scientist... Was it Not MISCHIVOUS on your part to irritate me... by dictating the manner by which I should prove to you... that it is a Science...

My dear Sir... Do you want me to study various books on Astronomy, Astrology and other Sciences ... do Research.. and PROVE TO YOU?

Is it necessary for me?... Don't you feel... Your Negative-approach was an UNNECESSARY ... UNWANTED... and useless Diversion from the Main topic of Discussion here?

Lengthy-writings...????... For the People who seek... it will not appear Lengthy...

but only for those... who just take PLEASURE IN HURTING OTHERS.

// ...go ahead with your enlightening experiences.//

Again a Ridicule... Mockery?.... You have hurt me enough ... Are you HAPPY?

//...such questions and happy in discoursing to blind believers about useless supernatural, myth and effortless pre-determined life, you wouldn’t be heard by current or future generations who have more questions than me.//

Instead of such self-willed pre-conceived Notions about an authentic Divine- Science ( as I believe based on my Rich- Experience)...

... if you had asked me about my Sound- Experiences... I would have happily replied you... based on the FACTS

My Dear Great Gnana-Guruji... Thanks for Your UPADESAM.

Dear Mr. Sudhaama,

Please go ahead with your writings without my interferences from now on. I started questioning here only after you wrote about the following statements about astrology.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

“If that man had not honoured the Atrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE?”
“Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...”
“Now he fully believes Astrology... Kanh ketta pin Soorya Namaskaaram !!!”

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If you expect that no one shall ask any questions on your “divine belief” system, then please avoid using this kind of soft threatening statements. If you make such statements again, I may ask more irritating questions irrespective of whether you answer or not.

Since you said previously that Astrology as science, I understood wrongly that you can explain the scientific facts behind astrology. That was the reason for the previous questions.

I don't believe either in "Guruji" or "Gananam" as well as "Upadesam". So, I thankfully return back the credit to you. Please continue with your stories based practical facts.

Sorry, if any of my word hurts you.

"r_kk"

//Sorry, if any of my word hurts you//

This PROVES ... you are a GENTLEMAN...

... which Healthy-Reciprocal-spirit enthuses me to invite you to continue your postings here... in an OBJECTIVE AND HEALTHY Manner.

... Either... PRO or ANTI Astrology... as you feel proper... time to time..

Because my Object of my participation here is...

... NOT TO CONVERT the Non-Believers into BELIEVERS... No. Not at all

... But only for ...

(1) Sharing with my Experiences.... well-matching with the THREAD- HEADING ..

... "Astrology for BETTER and MEANINGFUL LIFE'...

... Since I have seen so by my experience as well as of several others closely observed by me.... during the past more than 60 years.

( 2) To ALLEVIATE the Misconception that Astrology is a Pre-determined Document of Destiny.... No... But God-given Guidance and Fore-warning.

(3) To DISPEL some doubts on the Failures of Astrological-predictions... EVEN by some RENOWNED ASTROLOGERS.

(4) To CLARIFY... Why and How... MYSELF ... the erstwhile vociferous MOCKERER of Astrology .... during my days of Youth...

... TRANSFORMED.... of my Own accord... into a STAUNCH-BELIEVER now ...in my present days of Last-chapter in my Life.... !!!

//.... I started questioning here only after you wrote about the following statements about astrology.

... “If that man had not honoured the Astrological advice... his LIFE-FUTURE?”

“Without Astrological advice..the friends Daughter would have become an INNOCENT VICTIM?...”

“Now he fully believes Astrology. "Kanh ketta pin Soorya Namaskaaram!!! //

My Dear Friend... if the Topic were just ASTROLOGY, it is a Subject... more pertinent to Astrologers ta speak on...

... In which case my participation would have been different... just as a Client to LEARN.

... But since the Thread-Heading means... the Clients Angle...

... I am ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING ... as one amongst many Client- Hubbers..

... To DISCUSS and MUTUAL- EXCHANGE THOUGHTS... preferably supported by their parallel pro or anti Experiences too.

Accordingly I am participating here ... inviting a Discusion at every stage...

Please understand.. that I am neither giving a Lecture here nor teaching any Lesson... Nor Preaching any Sermon.

And also that... my QUESTION-MARKS... hereabove are ... Meant for you and other Viewers to REPLY on ... Pro or Anti...

... Even DIFFERING WITH ME... Disagreeing with me.. I HAPPILY Welcome..

// If you expect that no one shall ask any questions on your “divine belief” system, then please avoid using this kind of soft threatening statements. If you make such statements again, I may ask more irritating questions irrespective of whether you answer or not.//

I need not further answer this point... In brief I REITERATE...

Comments or Criticisms or Questions...or Counter-points are welcome...

So long they are OBJECTIVE and HEALTHY... without irritating or Hurting ANYBODY..

Nor INJURING Others Sentiments or inexplicable PERSONAL FAITHS AND BELIEFS.

So long anybody raises Questions to me ... in an interesting manner enthusing me to REPLY... ensuring Mutual-Respect...

... I will be happy to Answer again and again to CLARIFY further too..

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

"r_kk"

//Sorry, if any of my word hurts you//

This PROVES ... you are a GENTLEMAN...

... which Healthy-Reciprocal-spirit provokes me to invite you to continue your postings here... in an OBJECTIVE AND HEALTHY Manner.

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Dear sir, words of comfort and encouragement with no ill feelings such as above would only come from a gentleperson such as your goodself.

Dear Ms. Ratchasi,

Thanks for your Good-spirit.

Have we not assembled here... ONLY to Spend our precious Time EFFECTIVELY?

(which can NEVER be REGAINED... when once lost .. unlike anything else) .

... and also ENJOY our Hub-time... along with a Team of Friends... in a USEFUL WAY?

... better than developing Animosity and Hatred amongst ourselves...

To those who value my Suggestion.. I will whole-heartedly say...

... Greatest Happiness in Life emanates from our Two Strengths...

...(1) Whole-hearted HUMAN-LOVE.... (2) Truly MUTUAL- SINCERETY

... Since I learnt so ...from my Vast and Rich Experience in Life.

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Originally Posted by r_kk

I don't believe either in "Guruji" or "Gananam" as well as "Upadesam". So, I thankfully return back the credit to you.

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That was a superb and most deserved return to a gentlemanly comment by Mr.Sudhamma like this;

My Dear Great Gnana-Guruji... Thanks for Your UPADESAM.


r_kk,

Keep it up ! and keep posting more and more questions and enlighten us. There are lot more people like me out there, who dont rely on such false beliefs. And your questions are indeed food for our thoughts and make us think and not blindly believe. Please continue. :) :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

... and also ENJOY our Hub-time... along with a Team of Friends... in a USEFUL WAY?

Then develop Animosity and Hatred amongst ourselves...

To those who value my Suggestion.. I will whole-heartedly say...

... Greatest Happiness in Life emanates from our Two Strengths...

...(1) Whole-hearted HUMAN-LOVE.... (2) Truly MUTUAL- SINCERETY

... Since I learnt so ...from my Vast and Rich Experience in Life.

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How true what you have mentioned is!
When both parties agree amicably, the issue at hand is solved.
However when they are at odds, spewing venom at each other is not the way. We can agree to disagree amicably.

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Originally Posted by Sudhaama

Dear r_kk,
ASTROLOGICAL- SCIENCE / OCCULT- SCIENCE / .RELIGIOUS- SCIENCE.

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:lol2: :lol2: :mrgreen:

Thank God that it is science anyway!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

How come Harward,Cambridge and Oxford miss it????????? :shock:

Fools!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) [Most innocent icon] :)

Astrological Science... and Destiny

The Astrologer Ram Ramakrishnan, who is a computer programmer as well as an astrologer, has been compiling sets of birth data for members of families, with the view to ascertaining with a computer the predetermined, karmic elements involved in our relationships. Having established the principles by examining existing sets of genealogical relationships, he hopes to make this a predictive tool, using basic principles of Vedic Astrology. This article sets out to explain his work in this area to date.

Every situation has innumerable perspectives. Each being as true as any other, from their respective points of reference and yet none of them being the absolute truth. Many such perspectives on astrology have been and continue to be expressed -- some balanced and some biased. And I have one too.

No body of knowledge can exist or be studied independently without reference to all other bodies of knowledge -- whatever may be the extent of reference. Perhaps, the underlying philosophy of every subject is the same. If religion talks of sin and salvation, physics talks of action and reaction being equal and opposite. In one there is no attempt at quantification, as most humans (as of today) believe that arbitration on this matter is in the hands of an incomprehensible higher power, while there is a need for quantification in the other, as arbitration here is within the domain of human comprehension -- at least we consider it to be so. It is like studying one subject -- life and existence -- in different languages.

Understanding Life and Existence

If students of science are skeptical about astrology, perhaps the fault lies with us students of astrology. We are not able to express ourselves in their language to communicate to them about the similarity in the basic philosophy. Or perhaps it is our own inadequacy of knowledge or weakness of conviction about astrology that makes us hold back and not reach out to our brethren in the 'scientific' community who are engaged in the same pursuit as we are -- that of understanding life and existence. Maybe I have been a bit too severe on us. But how many of us can claim that we have been correct in our reading of charts every time? That we have been accurate many a time is beyond doubt. We do remember with satisfaction and a sense of fulfilment, occasions where our computations of events and happenings have come true.

The human mind has this uncanny ability of conveniently forgetting unpleasant situations and happenings. For many of us the score of correct and incorrect readings may be just about even -- if we were to make an honest tally. There may have been so many near misses among the incorrect readings, which in retrospect may be attributed to oversight, a slightly imperfect interpretation, or a hundred different reasons. The fact however is that we were wrong -- whatever may have been our basic approach to and understanding and interpretation of astrology, whatever standards or system we may have followed. We indulge in dialogues such as these only because of the incompleteness of our knowledge and our recognition of this deficiency -- whether or not we accept it openly. Masters, if there were any, would have no need for dialogues and interactions. In their state of blissful completeness they would be synonymous with knowledge, they would be IT -- which would include all of us with our imperfections. That we could attain the status of a Master seems quite unlikely, because being born is in itself an immutable sentence of incompleteness.

Is Today "Inevitable"?

Coming to the subject of astrology itself, the basic idea that steers my study of astrology is that today is inevitable. Many practitioners of astrology approach this pursuit with the concept that life is a divine play, moving as it should, playing out complex and interesting themes which we may learn from or not, as it suits us. Logically however, the latter part of the assumption that we may or may not learn from it, will find no place in my assumption. If all is a divine play and we have the choice to learn from or not as it suits us, then we should be independent of this divine play and that would be illogical and would not coalesce with the idea of the inevitability of today.

If today were to be inevitable, then a student of astrology has two reference points -- a birth and an event in time connected with the entity that has taken birth. It should be possible to connect these two with the help of a standard set of mathematical procedures. Further, if in addition to the possible validity of the first supposition, the idea that such mathematical procedures can be evolved using planetary positions as the control variables is also valid, the procedures should work for any two related reference points. The realm of standards and interpretation of astrological edicts pose their own problems in formulation of procedures. As in western astrology, vedic astrology, which I follow, has its own share of multiplicity of standards and differing interpretations. But the wonderful point is that adherents of all schools of vedic astrological thought make correct and accurate predictions * and, as usual, never always (I guess this should be so with other systems of astrology as well).

Planes of Reference

My opinion on this paradox is that standards are merely reference planes. Each plane of reference is associated with a definite set of rules to arrive at the same and correct prediction. The problem, therefore, is not with the existence of a number of standards. Problems crop up when a set of rules is applied to an incompatible set of standards. It should be possible to connect the two reference points in question by many alternative sets of mathematical procedures. Perhaps this opinion is born out of helplessness in coming to grips with this situation of multiplicity of standards and systems. But this is the best that I can offer within my ken and also that which does not contradict my basic assumption of today's inevitability.

For the last few years I have been attempting to see whether this idea is workable considering the specific area of genealogy. Within the ambit of the aforesaid basic assumptions, birth of a relative is hypothesised as follows: planets attain a certain potential to give an event based on their natal positions and associated functional attributes, and the date corresponding to a specific planetary combination in accordance to the said potentials gives rise to the event in question. This formulation is specific to the features of vedic astrology where every moment of an individual's life is seen as being controlled be a sequence of planetary combinations that impart their qualities to that moment in varying degrees commensurate with their position in the sequence of operation.

Mathematical Procedures

The first presentable outcome of this effort of attempting to evolve standard mathematical procedures to account for the birth of immediate relatives from a person's chart based on the above hypothesis, was a paper titled 'A Child -- Biologically conceived, Emotionally perceived, Mathematically derived'.

This paper was hosted on the website of the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR) www.isarastrology.com in June 2001.

Subsequently three sequels to this paper titled 'The differing fates of birth-date mates' where two or more charts of persons born on the same day but a few minutes or hours apart have been analysed to account for the dissimilarities in the number of their children and the children's birth dates, have also been hosted on this site.

Some Indian practitioners that I have interacted with (as well as some western practitioners) hold the view that astrological edicts applicable to social phenomena are region, community or ethnicity specific and have to be interpreted accordingly. I however believe that they should apply uniformly to any person anywhere in the world and by a similar interpretation. With a database that has about 1500 charts today, the concepts seemingly hold good. And my suspicion that the process of quantification of planetary attributes is seemingly going in a desired direction, is getting stronger. I may still be entirely wrong as the possibility exists that my view is clouded by incomplete understanding, by incorrect interpretation and inadequate computational validation and safeguards. What is being aimed at is not a statistical confirmation that astrology works. It is an attempt to quantify planetary attributes and devise precise deterministic mathematical procedures for each event in life connected with genealogy, that would work on any chart and consistently too.

Recently, I have completed another presentation titled 'Astrological Genealogy' that describes a possible procedure to compute the birth date of the mother from a given chart.

I will be happy to share what I have learnt and continue to, with anyone who may be interested. With this thought in mind, I extend this invitation to all those who may be interested to interact in this research exercise by way of questioning my assumption and techniques and also contributing genealogical birth particulars to swell the database.

R. Ramakrishnan.

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Sudhaama

Personality Types, A Commentary on Human Differences

Written by Michael Munkasey, NCGR IV

People are different from each other. Perhaps when we mature enough to realize this then an interest in learning about these differences grabs our attention. But more than people being different, each day presents us with situations which are new. Each day brings both new people and new event challenges. So, what ways do we have as individuals to understand and appreciate why "you" are different from "them"; and also why "yesterday's" approach to addressing a situation is different from "today's" approach?

Astrology gives us one way of assessing such differences.

Astrology also gives us insight into how to approach each situation//
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Sudhaama

I dunno if its rite channel to ask this!!

what is "Sevvai-thoosam" and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl..... i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??

I shall apologise in advance if anybody finds what I am going to post below against his or her beliefs in astrology, believed to enhance human lives.

Why astrology is not a science proper but pseudo science, relying on post hoc fallacy and built around coincidental concurrences of events that occur at differing rates?

Astrology is a proven fallacy of associating two independent but concurrent events. Average human beings have superstitious tendencies of associating some observable facts that occur before or at the same time with the occurrence of events whose probabilities of occurrence vary depending on the nature of event but affect human lives. Otherwise occurrences are totally independent of one another but coincidental due the probabilistic nature of their occurrences.

Let us explore:

Let the events that affect human lives be H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn which represent naturally occurring events or phenomenon like earthquakes, floods, lightening strikes, births, deaths, love affairs, failures, successes, accidents and so on.

Let the associated probabilities of occurrence of these events be P1, P2 P3, P4, P5…Pn

Now let us assign some realistic values to these probabilities

P1= 0.5%
P2 = 4.0%
P3 =15.0%
P4 = 30.0%
P5 = 30.0%
P6 = 15.0%
P7 = 4.0%
P8 = 0.5%
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Pn = 0%

Now as we all know the fact that scientific laws of physics govern the planetary motions and orbital positions of our planets and their moons and thus also the special events involving them in eclipse, clustering etc. All these events occur at regular time interval and let the time of their occurrence in various combinations be denoted as T1, T2 T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8…Tn

If one attempts to sample all events H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn that effect human lives and then look at those planetary events that preceded in time or happened concurrently, one is bound to find all high probability Hns coinciding with some planetary events. One would easily find good correlation between high probability events on earth like earthquakes, financial problems, love affairs, work-related etc. and those events occurring in our solar system. However, one would severely struggle or fail altogether when one tries to associate or correlate very low probability H events like heavy floods, volcanic eruption, tsunami, massive meteorite hitting the earth etc. The reason is simple, all the Ps that occur at relatively much faster rates than the observable events in our solar system are easily correlated. Therefore, one would find it very agreeable to correlate the two events that are essentially independent but differ in their rates of occurrence when faster occurring events are being used for sampling.

The situation gets even worse if events were considered really synchronous, happening at different rates, one occurring at twice the rate than the other was. In that case, one should succeed in sampling the entire sequence of events, which occur at slower rate, but that is not what astrology is all about, it is all about finding reverse correlation. The sampling function itself becomes the sampled, which is carried out at 1:1 rate when their associated probabilities are essentially independent of the events in our solar system. Since, most probabilities involved are high enough for some one to formulate a seemingly predictive system that is purely based on post hoc fallacy. :)

Dear Akash"

//.. what is "Sevvai-thoosam" //

What all I speak about is Indian-Astrology... so called Vedic-Astrology.. a part of Atharvanha-Veda... further codified and elaborated by Varahamihira ... as Jyothisha-Sasthram... a part of Ancient Indian- Heritage... irrespective of Religion.

There are several MISCONCEPTIONS as well as wrong interpretations or unfounded aspersions and the like... by various individual or group of Astrologers... thus making this highly Rich Human-Knowledge-Treasure.. into a Subject of Controversy.

One such Controversial Topic is this Sevvay-Dhosham... which is so seriously deemed.. as a DEFECT... only by Tamilians and Malayalees mostly

In fact I would like to hear from the Astrological-Scholars.. on this phenomena. But basically I explain here in the Common-man's angle.

You know Astronomically ... the Horoscopes are worked out on the basis of Time and place of one's birth...

...And one cycle of 360 degrees is divided into Twelve equal Sub- divisions or Segments of 360 / 12= 30 degrees .Such Segments are called "Houses" in Astrology.. Starting from the Lagna-House or the so called Ascendant-location as the First House..

Each house is pertinent to different aspects of Human-Life .. Like, Education, Occupation, Children, Marital-Life, Overseas-links, Health, Enemies, Sins, Virtues, Happiness, Gains , Losses.. Properties... and so on and so forth.

Each Planet is considered to influence a Horoscope by its inherent Character also... alongside its location

Out of all the Planets.. Mars is called as EARTHLY-PLANET... so to say Maximum relevant to Mundane Life... compared to all other planets...

...mainly for Earthly-pleasures... Properties... attitude of Boldness, Valour and courage to Combat the Vagaries and Challenges in Life by Reality ..etc

So.. in the Horoscope... if the Planet MARS is placed in any one of the following houses.. it is named as a Defect... CHEVVAAY-DOSHAM.

2nd House (Dhana=Money / Kudumba = Family / Naethra= Eye)..

4th (Sukha=Happiness),

8th (Maangalya=Long Marital-Life / Kashta=Difficulties),

7th (Kalhathra=Marital-match, Husband and Wife- Reciprocation),

12th (Bhoga= Earthly-Pleasures / Vraya = Losses / Moksha = Salvation)

Kataka- House... its Neecha-Sthaanam

// and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl...//

Here only there is Controversy and dispute... even amongst Expert- Astrologers .

But as a Common man... being an Open-minded Client... I am convinced on the Positive-side advocation...

... that it cannot be GENERALISED as a Dhosham at all ... just because Mars is placed in a particular House.. whatever it be... Because it is just one factor of approach to start with... but not to be concluded on.

Since there are several other factors too like the ownership, afflictions, aspects by other planets and their mutual relations etc....

I have seen several cases of Persons... especially Ladies... condemned as of Chevvaay-Dosham...

... but were Quite Contrary by Reality... being Happy without any such problems as contended to be as Defect... even pertaining to its placement in Horoscope..

I have found most of such couple matched on the basis of Same- Dosham of Chevvaay...

... practically seen..constantly at LOGGER-HEADS... all through Life... ever since Marriage..

Can we say that the Astrologer has helped by Chevvaay-Dosham factor?.

In my opinion, such half-baked arguments as DHOSHAM.should be condemned...

My personal recommendation is.... not to marital-match the Horoscopes on the basis of Chevvaay-Dhosham... which cannot be so generalised just because Mars is placed in a particular House... which can be a Subha-Yoga (Good-Luck) in certain aspects....

...and even if Mars is weak in a Horoscope.. due to its Debilitation as Neecha... it can be considered as the CONTRARY one to Dhosha...

... if it denotes NEECHA-BANGA-RAJA-YOGAM... a Royal Good-Luck.

In my Opinion... Chevvaay-Dhosham... should be treated as INSIGNIFICANT .

...and that we should consider the Horoscopes... on the individual overall character of the Horoscopes ... by the dint of PROPENSITIES, ATTITUDES, other Mind-Characters ... innate Strengths and Weaknesses by each planetary-placements, Planetary- mights, Aspects, Yogas (Lucks or Ill-lucks in different aspects) . etc...ONLY.

Mars... basically being a Warrior planet... INVARIABLY in every person employed in the Filed-forces of either the Police or Military ... we can find the INFLUENTIAL POSITION of Mars in their Horoscopes..... Incredible!!! ... but True.

So we have to remember that..

... TWO WARRIORS Cannot Ride on a SINGLE-HORSE... so called Family.

//.. i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??//

Even though Mars is called as a Violent-planet... connected with Injury, Surgery etc....

.. in my opinion... What you say...... CANNOT BE CORRECT .

However... I am anxious to know the Experts Counsels on these matters.

Hello Hubbers,

I was keeping away from Astrology topics on purpose.
When I posted my predictions that came true, I was ridiculed and hounded by some friends.
If you are interested, I can post my research papers in astrology which draw a parellel with modern science.

My research revolves around much maligned Rahu.

Nichiro :?:

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r_kk,

Keep it up ! and keep posting more and more questions and enlighten us. There are lot more people like me out there, who dont rely on such false beliefs. And your questions are indeed food for our thoughts and make us think and not blindly believe. Please continue. :) :thumbsup:

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If I may add to what Roshan has contended.

One just needs to apply what one has; and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have. In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished and no questions would remain afterwards as, of course, nothing would be left that has the capacity to question.

And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots. :wink: :)

Dear Sudhaamaji,
I agree with you about chevvai dosham.
It is a much hyped dosham that has served the astrologers to make some money in propitiation poojas.
In my experience, Kuja Dosam people , generally have excess hormonal activity and are prone to quick temper.
7th Kuja and Lagna kuja are two places (12th Kuja also) where marital life is not smooth.

I have not read the whole thread so I cannot comment much.

Of course some intelligent usage of my signature has not escaped by attention.

Nichiro :?:

..... BLIND-SCIENCE ...and... LAME-RELIGION... for Life. ??? !!!

Dear Mr."Rohit"

Well-said...

//One just needs to apply what one has;//

Yes...Hidden-God... behind Nature.... has provided the Humanity abundant Means and Treasure EXTERNALLY...

... so as to exist and advance meaningfully ... worthy enough towards the purpose of Life...

... as also...INTERNALLY... SUPREME EARTHLY-MIGHT... Human-Wisdom

... so as to to DISCERN and chose the best amongst various options available to Mankind..

... as also chose the proper approach through the APT-DOOR suited to his Individual-Life- Principles.

//.. and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have.//

Yes.... One will REAP ... what He / She has SOWN... Gain or Loss the Outcome.

//... In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished//

Yes... but Not Demolished... (since the Demolishment is done by an outer power other than the Object)

... but will go in vain similar to a Milky Cow.. unmilked..leaving it waste...

//.. and no questions would remain y to question //.

Yes .. Mostly... Since Yet there are Several Questions of Human-Wisdom YET unanswered in Religion as Well as in Science too...

.. On which the Search and Research by the respective Scholars... persist.

// And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots.//

Yes... Yes... Yes... But behind such Non-thinking Artificial-Brains... there is an Organiser cum Monitor in a form of unseen Human-wisdom either pre-stored or working concurrently

To alleviate such confusions on the Wisdom-application.. the "Great Father of the Scientists".. Mr. Eisteine... has laid out a Formulae...

... a Science-Thirukkurlalh Proverb .. ( Seven-seas extent of HIGH SENSE condensed and micro-packed within a Tiny Mustard- Seed)...

Science without Religion is BLIND.
Religion without Science is LAME..

I still maintain the above statement by Einsteine as the CORRECT Original Version...

... unlike some people who advocate in the other way for Lame and Blind.... on which there was a volley of arguments by the then Scientists with Einsteine after his utterance... but finally reiterated by the Originator confirming as above.

There are points to argue on both ways... But for those who know the context under which the aforesaid proverb emanated... I need not elaborate ... nor clarify

Because they can easily understand and appreciate the practical- sense intended for application in Human-Life... ETERNALLY.

In brief... a BLIND-Science (being a subject entirely based on Reasoning... palpable within the bounds of Mankind)

... cannot proceed further... beyond certain Stage ...getting blocked... being DEPENDANT on others even for Self-care-needs...

Religious approach can only SEE and SHOW... the Goal... but cannot Reach it.... being LAME.

There arises mutual helps of Lame and the Blind.

...the Religious approach of Optimism based on Faith and Confidence (which may sometimes be UNFOUNDED bereft of Reasoning too)...

...Yet... still... by the support of MIND-POWER more than the Brain-power...is QUITE IMPERATIVE and Inevitable..

....beyond such a stage... of LOGICAL- stagnation in the course of the process

Ultimately a BLIND-Science is able to cross a River.. carrying a Religious LAME on his Shoulders.... as Guide to Science..

...ensuring BOTH the Lame and Blind.. TO GET THEIR NEEDS SOLVED

So, the ASTROLOGY . a "Religious-Science (being coupled with Divinity)"... lacks Scientific Resoning beyond certain stage...

... such a Subsequent content being of Religious- nature...

..can be PERCEPTIBLE only by MIND POWER of Faith and Confidence, Enthusiasm, Dynamism

... and the like Human-Mind- Supremacy ... more than the BRAIN-POWER

In brief... in case of Astrology too... the Mind-Power by Faith and Confidence guides the Mankind

... being carried forward by Reasoning Brain-power... coupled with Physical Energy

... to IMPLEMENT the Guidance -plan directing towards the Goal by Mind

... Vasishta's PREDICTION on Rama- Pattabhishekam FAILED?

Why? and How? ... in Ramayana... the Scholar- Sage Vasishta's prediction and his chosen Muhoorththam for Rama-Pattabhishekam utterly failed?

No.. it did not Fail... One important point we have to remember on Ramayana... that the whole Life-History of Rama was PRE-WRITTEN by its author... the Hunter-turned Sage Valmiki.... which was enacted strictly conforming to the Events and Utterances by all ... rather each and every character... including Vasishta-maha-rishi.

So Vasishta duly plays his role effectively... ENACTING as the Kula-guru... chose the best possible time... the next day... available within the impending week.... for Pattabhishekam.

In the course of the previous week, Dasaratha laments to Vasishta... (his most trusted person and also Guru).... on his inauspicious oft-repeated Night-dreams in his sleep... indicating his near-future Death... alongside separation from his affectionate Son Rama.

Vasishta cooly replied... "Whatever is One's Fate... he has to confront"

Then Dasaratha says..." If so before I leave the Earth ... let me complete my duty of entrusting the Throne of the Kingdom to my Son Rama... lest it may lead to turmoil after my death.

Saying so he called for the Advisory-Eperts meet... and feels happy and elatedto know of ther unanimous support for Rama... totally concurring with Dasarathaon the urgency too.

Then Vasishta was called to choose a Muhoortham. Accordingly the Guru keenly studied all the Horscopes of the Ayodhya-Country, Dasaratha, as well as of Rama too... and declares...

"Alas... Dasaratha... a very bad period is forthcoming for the country as well as you and Rama too... His Horoscope shows that he will leave the Kingdom to Forest as a Sanyasi"

"Oh! Is it so.. then let us crown him at the earliest so that such inauspicious events can be prevented by the luck of Rama... since his Horoscope is the luckiest ever in the world. Find out the eraliest Muhoortham"... Dasaratha.

"Although ... "NOT THE BEST AND APT".... Right tomorrow early morning prior to Sunrise... seems somewhat better than all other forthcoming days of three full months..."

"Then Go ahead"... commands Dasaratha to all concerned.

Vasishta knew well... that the Muhoortham he fixed was NOT FOR THE PATTABHISHEKAM...

... but an Auspicious time to commence the 14 year Vow of Forest-Stay by Rama ....

... Which No doubt FAILED TO THE LEAST... but successfully FULFILLED.. conforming to the Purpose of Ramayana.

Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
your responses are again based on mythical stories. Why can't you take up some verifiable incidences.

hi

Dear Mr."sangai_j"

//.... I hope you can help me...My details are:...We are in love for the past 6 years and want to get married. When will the marriage happen. Things are not moving forward at all. Lots of obstacles when marriage talks open up amongst elders.... //

For the sake of such PRIVATE-CORRESPONDENCE.. You can make use of the facility provded as "pm". ... directly.

Whereas this thread-space is NOT INTENDED for such PERSONAL MATTERS of Individual- concern only.

So please DELETE your last posting. and write directly through pm. if you need so.

Dear Mr."r_kk"

// Why can't you take up some verifiable incidences //

Yes... I am proceeding in such aspects too mostly...

And I have already detailed several TRUE-EPISODES here, relating to the Horoscopic-factors...

Few of the persons quoted here... must be well-known known to you too... they being famous..

..but I am unable to either name the person ... nor furnish more particulars on personal identity... it being a Confidential Private-affair.

So I am restraining myself... because of legal-implications and personal decency.

Instead of PROBING on the Veracity of the incidents... it will be better if you think over OBJECTIVELY.

//... your responses are again based on mythical stories. //

So You insist that I should present only as per your Formula and Wishes...?

... and also Restrict myself to reply only to your Questions... Is it?

Dear Friend... even prior to your.... Wise- Questions, Ignorant- Mockeries and Baseless- Criticisms ...

... there are several Questions here... from others too..

... which are yet to be replied... on its due Answer ... true to the sense of this Topic-Title.. I am replying to them also one by one, in the course of this Article.

Two such previous Questions were...

(1) In Ramayana... even though the Muhoortham for Rama- pattabhishekam was chosen and fixed by the Sage Vasishta....

How could it fail... turning CONTRARILY... and Miserably too ... suddenly overnight TRANSFORMATION of the Gaiety- Ayodhya into a Mourning- nation... Topsy-turvy?

Despite the due adherence to the Astrological values in Life...If such outcome can be caused by any other means... what is the Role of Astrology for Life?... How can it be considered as DEPENDABLE.?

(2) While Rama's Horoscope is considered as the Best Yoga- jathakam...as also Seetha's..

... their Life was a TRAGEDY.. in general... with major part of Life spent in Sufferings .. that too UNDULY.

Then how can we believe.. that Astrology helps towards the meaningful and Successful Life?

For this Question.. I started answering step by step...

The above 2 Questions fall withih just a few lines... but the Answers cannot be so...

...since it calls for a detailed, analytical reply... understandable to all ... even by the common-man duly convincing to the reasoning wisdom..

So whether you like it or not. I have to complete this task taken up....

.. which you too will find it interesting if you observe patiently... and OPEN- MINDEDLY

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Dear Mr."r_kk"

Dear Friend... even prior to your.... Wise- Questions, Ignorant- Mockeries and Baseless- Criticisms ...

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Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
Some times you are using extra words and sentences (example parrot-crow, Gnana Guru etc etc...) which are not at all necessary and provoke the opponent to give strong replies and direct call for verification of your so-called claims.

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.. ONLY such people who are BENT UPON SULLYING even Ajantha...

Let us invite PARROTS MAINLY.. and Not the Crows ... which hate the Good fruits here ...

... However for Crows too we can cater ... in between .the Parrot- feeds.

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http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...er=asc&start=0

Still you are doing lot of "Giri-Paambu demo fighting" and beating around bush with people those who ask direct question on your fundamental concept. Why can't you come to the point straight?

My simple question is still waiting for your answer for more than a week.

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...=3423&start=30
Your answer to such serious question is still just two words "To continue"... It seems you don't use your writting skills, when and where it is necessary

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Rohit,
Do you think a bike should should be offered as prize here? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Friends,
I am new to this thread. I am also having lot of interests in astrology. I saw lot of discussions going about whether astrology is a science or not. Though it may be late, I am putting my views on this one.

Scientists have already proved possible influence of rays from other planets on the human body.

A simple idea is, we are getting tired early when we work under the sun for more number of hours than we do under the moon. This is due to the chemical reaction caused by the rays from the sun on our body. This one affects us both mentally and physically.

Another one. The rays from planet Jupiter contain lot of methane. Scientifically , all of us know that methane is good for the living organisms in the earth. So, astrologically we are calling Jupiter as 'puthra karagan' i.e the one who is responsible for producing children. For identifying whether a person can afford a baby, we can identify this one clearly from the horoscope of that man. We have to just identify the power of 5th position and the status of jupiter.

So, clearly we can say that astrology is a science. our ancient people blended this wonderful science with religion so that people will take this one accordingly. In greek mythology, all planets are considered as gods. In our mythology also we are following the same. The reason why we are going to thirunallar in india for sani thisai and 7.5 sani is that scientific studies have revealed that in that place there is a 90 degree falling of saturn's rays. so, we are getting the rays of saturn more by going there. For that reason only, our ancestors formed temples in those places.

Also, I visited FBI website and to my surprise found the horoscope of Osama bin laden. Even a popular intelligence agency like FBI is using the horoscope of laden to capture him. They are believing this one. They are viewing this one as a science. For more details, u can ask me.

I also thank the one who started this thread for providing an oppurtunity to discuss about this wonderful sastram. Astrology is called as Mohana sastram. waiting for all of ur replies.

Dear Mr. "selvakumar"

// .. I am new to this thread. I am also having lot of interests in astrology....//

Glad.... Welcome. Happy to note your nice posting. Please continue.

// Scientists have already proved possible influence of rays from other planets on the human body//
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Yes... Just remaining at a far-off location.. . if the Moon can agitate the Sea to a great extent on every Full-Moon-day and New-Moon days... CONSPICUOUSLY DIFFERENT...

.. why not on all the Earth... and the Creatures too?

Just by sitting within a closed Room at Chennai in India... if a person is able to get in the far-off Washington Radio- Transmission ...

.. just because of the Thrust-waves...from the origin..

... why not the Greater powerful planets' Thrust-rays too can reach all the pervasive directions of the Universe.. spreading over.. like Sun- Rays?

// A simple idea is, we are getting tired early when we work under the sun for more number of hours than we do under the moon. This is due to the chemical reaction caused by the rays from the sun on our body. This one affects us both mentally and physically//.

Tiresome under the Daylight-Sun... is not due to its Rays... but due to its Heat. A person sitting under a shady-tree... even on a Bright Sunny day.. does not get tired... but contrary.

In fact, the Sun-rays energises all the Living- systems under Nature.... including Vegetations, Water, Air, Earth...as also the Seeds sown beneath ...

.. as well as on an Embryo.. hidden in the mother's abdomen...and further the life within the Egg too.

Astrologically speaking the Sun is called the Raja-Graha.. the King of all the Planets...

So to mean.... even while all other planets are well-placed.... if the Sun is very weak in a Horosacope.. with no advantageous positon or aspects by other beneficial-planets towards the Sun or its related Houses Simha or Mesha...

.. such a holder's OTHER LUCKS ARE FUTILE...... He will be like a Beggar on a Throne... by one or the other different factors... such as...

.. Having beautiful wife... but he is impotent... or..

...Financially affluent but Not powerful for access.. or..very sickly, unable to take even normal foods.. or

.. A Warrior with all expertise on Warfare, but not dependable, since a Coward ... or.

...Possesses high Status and Fame in the Society, but facing criminal charges (duly or unduly) leading to imprisonment too. .

... and the like... inexplicable peculiarities or contradictions..in Reality

... depending upon the placement of the Sun in the relevant Horoscope. apart from the auxiliary factors of other planets.

Sun is named as AATHMA-KARAKA (Soul-vitaliser)..the Masculine Planet of Vitality, Courage, Health , Spiritualism, Visual-might, Protection of Self-Prestige, Leadership- Qualities, Realistic- Life- Status.. etc..

//... planet Jupiter ... astrologically we are calling Jupiter as 'puthra karagan' i.e the one who is responsible for producing children.... We have to just identify the power of 5th position and the status of jupiter.//

Jupiter is called SUBHA-KAARAKA.. means one who makes / vitalises the auspicious and positive developments in Life... in ALL RESPECTS.

That is why, people wait for Guru-Paarvai / Viyaazha-Noakkam (Jupitors favourable turn of horoscopical- status) period for Marriage, Property- purchase, House-Construction, Setting new Industries etc...

... and so.. the Astrologers keenly observe the Jupiters factors .. for any prediction at the outset itself. PRIMARLY.

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Dear Mr. "r-kk"... please don't get angry with me... I will reply to your Questions to-day positively...

Now in this... East-U.S.A... it is ... 12-03 noon now...of June-02, Thursday.

Kindly bear with me for my inevitable delay.

Thanks Mr. Sudhaama,
Even at this age, you are sitting very late to write replies to various questions and post positve views on belief sytem which you sincierly believe that it will guide and help many young generations. I appreciate your efforts even though I fundamentally contradict and conceptually oppose you .

Take your own time....

Dear Mr. r_kk,

Thanks for your concern on me coupled with Affection.

HOROSCOPE a Pre-determined DOCUMENT OF FATE?... Unsurmountable?

If the Sun or Jupiter... or any other powerful planet too... are ILL-PLACED in a Horoscope...

... Does it mean.. the concerned has to YIELD TO IT AS DESTINY and SUFFER?

For example... as aforesaid.. if the Sun is so placed in a Horoscope justifying the Impotence of a Husband-youth... having a Young beautiful wife...

... should be contented with blaming his fate only... and SO CANNOT ENJOY THEIR CONJUGAL- LIFE?

If that be so... we have to remember Thirukkuralh... stating..

" If any one is destined to suffer...let that God be cursed..to suffer.. (He is No more the PROTECTOR worth the name as God at all)

Then what must be such Innocent-victims' (by birth).. further approach?

We will come back to this Question later... supported with the true episode of such a sort.

... after answering the previous Questions from Mr. r_kk.

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.. Can ASTROLOGY Help to avert Tsunami-like Disasters?


Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

// Can you explain. “why thousands of people died”. in Tsunami? //

Can a Thermo-meter cause the Fever or Cure the Patient?

No… because it is only an Indicator ... incapable of either to Cause or Remedy the hidden-odd it exhibits

So is Astrology, just an Indicator or Guide towards the Illness.

Can a Balance-Sheet of Accounts. CAUSE PROFIT OR LOSS to an Organisation. ?

No.. Because it is only a Historical-Document of the Past Financial- transactions delivering the NETT-OUTCOME. .. and the Resultant-Status

.. which becomes the Starting point… towards further Transactions and Development of Funds, as well as on the Advancement of the Organisation . Basing on the Balance-Sheet data.

Astrology also is similar to the Financial-Balance-Sheet of Accounts just a Balance-sheet of one’s Deeds during his Past- Births

.. indicating the Accrued Powers and Weakness by means of his Good and Bad-Deeds so called Karma-palan, which one is born with

So a Horoscope or even the subject of Astrology cannot cause any Event to the Holder

.. but it can entangle him in an event caused by some alien force… if his Horoscope indicates so.

Can Astrology predict the Life and the Future of a Building or a Tree or a Piece of Land basing on their Horoscopes, worked out on the Time of their Birth or Origin?

No… because the Astrology works on only the Living-beings through the Brain and Soul and not on Inanimate object (Jata-Vasthu)

... rather the Substances like Plants, Structures, Lands etc… which do not have Brain or Soul.

So the Cause of Tsunami like disasters is totally out of concern for Astrology, which can only PREDICT NOT CAUSE any Event... on “Living-beings only” based on the Horoscopes.

The most ancient Astrology is the Indian, followed by the Greek and Egyptian., which systems are far different from the Indians. But those subsequent systems of Astrology claim, that even though they were the subsequent ones… they have developed and advanced far more than the Indian Astrology.

And they only started predicting the future of Nations and Reigns… whereas Indian Astrology does not accept nor aprove of such a possibility technically… under the above grounds.

If it would have been possible… yester-era Kings who were patronising and highly depending on Astrology even for their petty day to day activities, could have averted the Foreigners repeated onslaughts of Invasions on them.

… as also could have got saved from several Natural-calamities like Floods and Storms… which had caused heavy tolls of the People and the Properties as recorded in the Ancient Indian-History especially in North-India.

Following the example of Greek and Egyptian Astrologers…some of the Indian Astrologers too started predicting the future of the nations and the Governments but most of such foretelling have become a hoax.

So any Prediction on such Earthly-odds like Disasters or Accidents cannot be correct . Because, as practically observed… Astrology is Not intended for Lifeless objects… and cannot be exactly authenticated too.

That is why .. most of the past predictions on the Nations and Governments have failed.

So Tsunami like Disasters Can Neither be CAUSED by Astrology..

Nor can it help to PREDICT in advance..

Nor can Help to AVERT such inanimate Forces.

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

Yes (To continue...)

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.. Can ASTROLOGY Help to avert Tsunami-like Disasters?


Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

// Can you explain. “why thousands of people died”. in Tsunami? //

Can a Thermo-meter cause the Fever or Cure the Patient?

No… because it is only an Indicator ... incapable of either to Cause or Remedy the hidden-odd it exhibits


Can Astrology predict the Life and the Future of a Building or a Tree or a Piece of Land basing on their Horoscopes, worked out on the Time of their Birth or Origin?

No… because the Astrology works on only the Living-beings through the Brain and Soul and not on Inanimate object (Jata-Vasthu)

So the Cause of Tsunami like disasters is totally out of concern for Astrology, which can only PREDICT NOT CAUSE any Event... on “Living-beings only” based on the Horoscopes.

So Tsunami like Disasters Can Neither be CAUSED by Astrology..

Nor can it help to PREDICT in advance..

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

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Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
I think you had understood the question not properly. Here every one know that astrology is not a cause. The question is why astrology failed to predict the death of thousnads of people in a single tragedy. If astrology could able to predict future of people, then we can indirectly could able to predict mass tragedies too. For example, if you can collect date of birth and place of birth of lots of people living close to Tsunami zone/earthquake zones, by analyzing the future of people's fate(kandam), we can indirectly determine the occurance of earthquake/tsunami!!!

You had mentioned that it is applicable for beings with soul. Here you may contradict with Mr. Hemant Trivedi and other professional astrologers those could able to forecast (self claim) such tragedies including eathquakes. What about horscope for animals!!? They also have brain and life.

Any way I will write more detail replies and logical fallacies in your posts after seeing your complete replies.

why can't we discuss about the horoscopes of popular people here? Shall we start with bill gates?

Ascendant - Gemini
Mars - virgo
Mercury - virgo
sun, saturn, venus - libra
jupiter - leo
Raghu - scorpio
ketu - taurus
moon - pisces

Nakshatra - uttrattadhi

Dear sudhamma sir, plz post ur predictions about him.

Dear Mr."selvakumar"

// ...why can't we discuss about the horoscopes of popular people here? ... Dear sudhamma sir, plz post ur predictions about him.//

Thanks.... Welcome.... Yes.. if you so desire, well we can.

But in such a case, please post the same Point in the another Thread, on the same subject... named as..

"PERIODIC-TABLE and PLANETS"... a Thread in the professional Astrologers angle...

... While the same Subject Astrology is dealt here, in the Clients angle.

Besides, I am not Astrologer but only a client of Faith in that Subject. So I will not be able to render any Astrloogical-predictions on any Horoscope, which only a Professional can do..

At the maximum I can join with the Team of Astrologers ... for discussions on the Clients aspects.

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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?

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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?

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:lol: :lol: didn't notice that walrus. You certainly have a good pair of eyes!

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Why are you unnecessarily dragging two Hubbers here? Trying to instigate a fight?

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we both are already having enough in 'film poster' thread.. Sorry, no time to entertain you guys in this thread too.. :oops:

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we both are already having enough in 'film poster' thread.. Sorry, no time to entertain you guys in this thread too.. :oops:

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hehehe alrite, didnt notice that. There must be some truth in astrology for this to happen though :)

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.. Who is Wise? And Not? Consultants or Clients? God alone Knows!!!

Mr. “r_kk” wrote:

//Do you think all those died have some thing common in their horoscopes? Please explain...//

Yes Death is indicated in the Horoscopes by various Horoscopic factors. So to say the planetary condition and the Aspective factors of one or the other planets… need not be the same from person to person… even thugh a group of them die at a time on one and the same cause.

But no doubt … the cause of death as Accident… can be found uniformyly in all such horoscopes.

If One million specific persons in the various walks of life and nationality…are ill-fated to die on a particulat Date and Time.. due to a specific natural-disaster like Tsunami… it can be so predicted from their Horoscopes by any competent Astrologer…. Especially based on Indian-Astrology.

But all those persons … may be of different families… and different in several other respects too.

So to mean… may be, amongst 5 brothers… only one brother might become a victim… sparing his four brothers …but along with a Foreigner Tourist Husband to succumb, leaving his wife as the Survivor… and so on.

There are several mysteries and Miracles… even Astrologers themselves wonder… how the Ill-fates of different far-off people … alien amongst themselves… are grouped together at one and the same spot at one particular moment of Disaster… irrespective of Age, Status, Nationality or the like… under the tyrannical-hands of Death!!

My Guru Chiro… had long back made a deep research-study and published Books… narrating hundreds of Case-Studies to establish his Finding-Truth… that the Palmistry and Horoscopic Sciences never fail…

“If at all any failure…may be the relevant Practioners . Not the Occult-Science”…. Chiro says.

// I think you had understood the question not properly. Here every one know that astrology is not a cause. The question is why astrology failed to predict the death of thousnads of people in a single tragedy. If astrology could able to predict future of people, then we can indirectly could able to predict mass tragedies too.

For example, if you can collect date of birth and place of birth of lots of people living close to Tsunami zone/earthquake zones, by analyzing the future of people's fate(kandam), we can indirectly determine the occurance of earthquake/tsunami!!! //

Yes… No doubt… Is it practicable to identify in advance who will reach where and when and collect their Horoscopes to ascertain?

As we have the Practice of Citizenship-card for every National… in the advanced countries…

…if some body is able to collect the Birth-data for all the Citizens, cast their Horoscopes, make competent predictions…

… and pick-up the specific thousands… ill-fated… amongst those millions… !!!...

… Yaanaikku-k-Koavanham katta-mudiyumaa?...

Yes.. if it can be made possible… then, the heavy Material and Human-losses …

… due to Tsunami-like disasters …CAN BE AVERTED… by…. ASTROLOGY TOO.

// You had mentioned that it is applicable for beings with soul. Here you may contradict with Mr. Hemant Trivedi and other professional astrologers those could able to forecast (self claim) such tragedies including eathquakes.//

Yes… I have already contradicted… taking sides withb one section of Astrologers… who drastically differ with the other section of Astrolgers… who are making Predictions on Natural-disasters, National-reverses and such other off the scope of Astrology… being without the Origin of Soul and Brain relevance.

// What about horscope for animals!!? They also have brain and life //.

Yes… We can predict.. I know several cases.. it has unfailingly come true.

I know in one of the cases of a Circus-company … on the way to my native place… one Lion escaped from the Cage, which nobody could notice concurrently… but only later, after arrival at the destination.

They were very much worried, passing Sleepless-nights… and seriously pushed on their strenuous attempts to locate it… because their main problem was…

…Not only the due performance of the circus… and ..

.. Not only the Financial worth of the Animal…

.. But also… the Legal-implications, Governments Reaction… and further Complaints from the People…

…which may lead to Several lakhs of Rupees loss along with the Threat of the Closure of the Company

Along with their search and other such sorts or Recovery-attempts…which were not rendering any positive clue even after seven days…

One of their Partners RELUCTANTLY… and perfunctorily approached one renowned Astrologer in our Town… Basing on the Birth-data furnished, he cast a fresh horoscope… for the first time in the History of that Lion as well as the Circus company…

He had an unusual habit of ascertaining the veracity of the Birth-time by means of Back-Verification. So to say by tallying with the past events already occurred and such other factors.

(1) Born with one Sister and Two Brothers … One Brother died of Sickness at so and so age…Another Brother is a ferocious type… The Sister Lioness active and obedient.. .. and such other Four Points….Owner said… All Yes. Yes Correct…

(2) Basing on the time of escape the owners could work-out the pparticular spot at that time of Travel.

(3) With a fractured Leg, the Lion is hiding … in a Vacant-Cattle-Shed… of a House at so and so direction. Which You can get back… IF YOU SERIOUSLY TRY.

Accordingly their men went straight to a particular village… asked for the vacant Cattle-Shed… located the sleeping Lion with a fractured Leg… (Injury due to its jumping down, deep below on the way, after escape)

I can quote several True-events of my past long years of experience like this…

..such as pertaining to my Pet-Dog, .. my Neighbourers Cattle… one Temple Elephant … and so on.

I assert… that…. ASTROLOGY CAN NEVER FAIL… if the Horoscope is Correct…

… but the Astrologer’s Competence !!!.. I can’t assure!!!.... And further…One more IMPORTANT Factor .

No Two Time-Watches Agree… No Two Medical-Doctors Agree…(According to George-Bernard Shaw)

“There are THREE FOOLS in the World, who are making the whole World as Fools..”

They are the Doctor, Engineer. and the Lawyer.. ( also said so.. by George- Bernard-Shaw)

On which I add further ““ASTROLOGERS ALSO” . Under all the above categories

..Which TRUE-CAUSE, is Not because of their Incompetence Nor the Lack of Sincerety..

.... but Only because their Subjects are So Unique and Inherent with factors for..

.. .Felxibility on Judgement and Multiple-Scopes for varying approaches of Individual- Wisdom.

Result : VARIED... PRESCRIPTIONS / COUNSELS / PREDICTIONS ... for One and the Same Problem

We, humans are basically myth loving and myth creating animals…. We are very happy to listen and spread such myth.

Sorry, you are proving once again…

Stories mentioning others as the origin like “experience of some one with Ghost” “snake tales of some one” are generally believed and spread by many of us, without verifying because we love to live in colorful myth than the hard real life. Your story about “missing lion” is also similar. Did you personally see the astrologer when he was telling about Lion’s horoscope? I don’t know why Bin laden can not be searched with similar techniques? Such search will simplify the hard efforts of a powerful army and stop sufferings of innocent victims.

Yours reiterating-statements declaring astrology as science is interesting. If all you said is true, surely it is worth for Nobel prize. I don’t know why astrologers are not coming forward to verify their claim through simple scientific process and get the great reputation to them and their so-called science. Please note that DOB, TOB and POB of most of the people are available in Government records these days. A simple program tool and a computer can generate “Kovanam” for “elephant”.

Do you really believe that the predictions of astrologer’s based on horoscope match with real incidences as true?

It is very simple technique to generate some correlating general data… No need of horoscope or palmistry. In a demonstration, a famous rationalist had generated so-called correlating data for many students.

http://www.csicop.org/webmaster/rand...i-astrology.rm

Most of the Astrologers successfully use this technique to deceive the people.

In my opinion, belief on Astrology may give some virtual mental comforts in life since it indirectly relieves the individual responsibilities and put the blame on supernatural or call their inefficiencies as the predetermined ones, but in real sense it will not guide to any meaningful life.

http://www.csicop.org/webmaster/rand...i-astrology.rm

There is a kannaadi pota desi in this film :D