Stranger, visit the 'testing' page in the forum. It explains clearly how to view tamil fonts. I too learned it just today and successfully posted a tamil sentence. Install 'Murasu Anjal' from http://www.murasu.com/.
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Stranger, visit the 'testing' page in the forum. It explains clearly how to view tamil fonts. I too learned it just today and successfully posted a tamil sentence. Install 'Murasu Anjal' from http://www.murasu.com/.
Finally I could "read and write" thamizh now! :DQuote:
̽õ ¿¡Ê ÌüÈÓõ ¿¡Ê «ÅüÈ¢ø
Á¢¨¸¿¡Ê Á¢ì¸ ¦¸¡Çø
Could you guys read this :?:
But I could not! :(
நன்றி மாலா, கண்ணன் ! :)
Prof. Vanamamalai is a Brahmin. His Vedhic pratogonist thinking shall not be worthwhile.
I have already revealed the cutting and jointing of 'Pathitrupatthu'verses done by Solomon in previous pages of this thread.
Silapathikaaram & Manimekalai are Jains & Buddha oriented works respectively. How do Vedhic traditions come there?
Whenever 'Anthanar' found automatically why his thinking do go wrong?
I would give the exact meaning in relevant thread since I want to write it separately. Moderators should allow me to do this.
f.s.gandhi
Uppuma = Devapriya = Pavitra = Solomon = Ancheneya = PaulThomas.
þÅ÷¸û ±ø§Ä¡Õ§Á ´ÕÅ÷¾¡É¡!!!! :shock:
þÅ÷ ±ýÉ ÁÉ¿¢¨Ä ºÃ¢Â¢øÄ¡¾Åá :?:
I am familier with people taking another avatar when they had been banned. But these characters are alive at the same time! :lol:
Is that too hard to discuss thirukkuRaL without bringing up any Castes here? :roll:
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---- À¡õÀ¡ðÊî º¢ò¾÷,
¾òÐÅì Ìô¨À¨Âò ¾ûÙí¸Ê - §Å¾
º¡ò¾¢Ãô ¦À¡ò¾¨Ä ãÎí¸Ê!
------ Å¡¨ÄÁ¢î º¢ò¾÷, "»¡ÉìÌõÁ¢"
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ÅûÙÅý ¾ý¨É ¯Ä¸¢Û째 - ¾óÐ
Å¡ýÒ¸ú ¦¸¡ñ¼ ¾Á¢ú¿¡Î
---- Á¸¡¸Å¢ À¡Ã¾¢Â¡÷.
"À¢Èô¦À¡ìÌõ ±øÄ¡ ¯Â¢÷ìÌõ"
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à «ó¾½ÕìÌ À¡Ã¾¢ ´Õ «Æ¸¡É ±ÎòÐ측ðÎ.
ƒ¡¾¢ Á¾ §ÅÚÀ¡ð¨¼ ÐÉ¢óÐ ±¾¢÷ò¾Åý. ƒ¡¾¢ Á¾ §ÅÚÀ¡ð¨¼ ±¾¢÷ò¾ ÁȾÁ¢Æý À¡Ã¾¢.
Uppumaa and rava and devapriya are certainly belong to the "Godse category" here.
Dont you even dream that you will ever fall in the category of "«ó¾½ý" mentioned by thiruvaLLuvar ever!
ÁÄ÷Å¡öô À¢Èó¾ Å¡º¸ò §¾§É¡
¡§¾¡ º¢Èó¾Ð ±ýÌÅ¢÷ ¬Â¢ý
§Å¾õ µ¾¢ý ŢƢ¿£÷ ¦ÀÕ츢
¦¿ïÍ ¦¿ìÌÕ¸¢ ¿¢üÀÅ÷ ¸¡ñ¸¢§Äõ!
¾¢ÕÅ¡ º¸Á¢í ¦¸¡Õ¸¡ø µ¾¢ý
ÍÕí¸ø ÁÉÓõ ¸¨ÃóÐÌõ ¸ñ¸û!
----- ¸À¢Ä÷ «¸Åø.
¬Ã¢Â §Å¾í¸û ÀÂÉüȨŠ±ýÀÐ ¾Á¢ú «È¢»÷, ¦ÀÕõÒÄÅ÷, þ¨ÈÔ½÷× ¦¸¡ñ§¼¡÷, º¢ò¾÷¸û ÓÊ×.
ÀÄ §¿Ãí¸Ç¢ø ¾¢ÕÅûÙÅâý Á¾ º¡÷¨Àô ÀüÈ¢ ¿¡ý §Â¡º¢ò¾ÐñÎ. ÌÈ¢ôÀ¡¸ þìÌÈû:
ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²¸¢É¡ý Á¡½Ê §º÷ó¾¡÷
¿¢ÄÁ¢¨º ¿£ÎÅ¡ú Å¡÷
þ¾¢ø ÁÄâø Å£üÈ¢ÕôÀÅÉ¢ý ¾¢ÕÅʸû ±¨¾ì ÌÈ¢ìÌõ? «øÄР¡¨Ãì ÌÈ¢ìÌõ?
Áü¦È¡Õ ÌÈû:
ÁÈôÀ¢Ûõ ´òÐì ¦¸¡ÇÄ¡Ìõ À¡÷ôÀ¡ý
À¢Èô¦À¡Øì¸í ÌýÈ즸Îõ
þ¾¢ø Á¨Èô¦À¡Õû ±¨¾ì ÌÈ¢ìÌõ?
¾¢ÕÅûÙÅ÷ ¨ºÉ Á¾ò¨¾ ¦º÷ó¾Å÷ ±Éì ÜÈ §¸ðÊÕ츢§Èý. Á¡Ä¡ þ¾üÌ Å¢Çì¸õ ¾Ã ÓÊÔÁ¡?
ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²¸¢É¡ý -- ÁÄâý ¸ñ§½ ¦ºýÈÅÉÐ, Á¡½Ê§º÷ó¾¡÷ -- Á¡ðº¢¨ÁôÀð¼ "«Ê¸¨Çî §º÷ó¾¡÷, ¿¢ÄÁ¢¨º ¿£ÎÅ¡úÅ¡÷ -- ±øÄ¡ ¯Ä¸¢üÌõ§Áġ ţðÎ ¯Ä¸ò¾¢ý¸ñ «Æ¢Å¢ýÈ¢ Å¡úÅ¡÷.
-- Àâ§ÁÄƸ÷ ¯¨Ã.
In this commentary, malar has been taken as equal to :"manam" or the (devotee's) heart. ParimElazakar rejected the suggestion that it referred to any Jain entity by saying: "þ¾¨Éô â§Áø ¿¼ó¾¡ý ±ýÀ§¾¡÷ ¦ÀÂ÷ÀüÈ¢ À¢È¢§¾¡÷ ¸¼×ðÌ ²üÚÅ¡Õõ ¯Ç÷".
The difficulty with the interpretation of this kuRaL arises because VaLLuvar used the past tense finite verb: ²¸¢É¡ý. "one who ascended the flower" in the past tense. However ParimElazakar said that the past tense came in there to denote the quickness or speed with which God would come to his devotee if the devotee would reach out for His Feet of glory. ParimElazakar pointed to Tolkaappiyam (¦º¡øľ¢¸¡Ãõ, Å¢¨É. 44): "þÈó¾ ¸¡ÄòÐì ÌÈ¢ô¦À¡Î ¸¢Çò¾ø, Å¢¨Ãó¾ ¦À¡ÕÇ ±ýÁÉ¡÷ ÒÄÅ÷."
Reading VaLLuvar with Tolkaapiyam grammar rule on the interpretation of tense, the kuRaL should be explained as: "ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²ÌÅ¡ý" in future tense or in the present tense as "ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²Ì¸¢ýÈÅý".
Then the meaning would be: "¯Õ¸¢ò ¦¾¡Ø¾ÅÉ¢ý ÁÉÁ¡¸¢Â ÁÄâý§Áø ¦ºý§ÈÚ¸¢ýÈÅÛ¨¼Â Á¡ðº¢Á¢ì¸ «Ê¸¨Çî §º÷ó¾Å÷..." Thus the controversy can be resolved.
It appears that this controversy has lasted nearly a thousand years. The latest to join the controversial interpreters was Prof. S. Vaiyapurip Pillai ( student of MaRaimalai AdigaL ) of Madras University who said he could be a Jain. He also pushed ThiruvaLLuvar's era to to a later date by which time Jainism/ Bhuddism was followed in the Tamil country. SVP's students are carrying on with the controversy. Now the Jains have happily joined in to make a claim!!
The truth is that vaLLuvar lived around 33 BCE or before and did not adhere to any religion as he did not recommend any religion to his readers in his book. He believed in a god or God just like many poets of Sangam Age and that was about all. At the time there was no social pressure or requirement that one should belong to some religion as it is today.
(will continue).
"ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²¸¢É¡ý " ±Û󦾡¼ì¸òÐì ÌÈÙìÌ Dr. ¿Åሠ¦ºø¨Ä¡ «ÅÃÐ ÒÐ ¯¨Ã¢ø ±ýÉ ¦º¡ø¸¢È¡÷ ±ýÚ ¸¡ñ§À¡õ:
ÁÄ÷ = ÁÄ÷, «¾¡ÅÐ ±Ø, ¸Ç¢ôÒ.
ÁÄ÷ Á¢¨º: ÁÄ÷ Á¢Ì ¯½÷×¼ý.
²¸¢É¡ý - Å¡úóÐ ÅÕ¸¢È(Åý).
þ¾¢ø ÍðÊ측ð¼ Å¢ÕõÒÅР¡¦¾ýÈ¡ø, þÈó¾ ¸¡Ä Å¢¨ÉÓüÚ ( þíÌ "²¸¢É¡ý Á¡½Ê" = ²¸¢ÉÅÉ¢ý Á¡½Ê ±ýÀ¾¡ø, Å¢¨É¡Ĩ½Ôõ ¦ÀÂ÷ ) ¿¢¸ú¸¡ÄÁ¡¸ ±ÎòШÃì¸ôÀθ¢ÈÐ. ¬¸§Å þùŨ¸Â¢ø (insofar as the treatment of this word is concerned), þùרẢâÂ÷ Àâ§ÁÄƸ÷ §À¡Ä§Å ¦ºøÖ¸¢ýÈ¡÷ ±ýÀÐ.
þÅ÷¾õ ¯¨Ã¢ýÀÊÔõ þÐ ºÁ½Á¾ò ¦¾¡¼÷Ò¸¡ð¼Å¢ø¨Ä ±ýÀÐ ¦¾Ç¢×.
ÓØ ¯¨Ã¨ÂÔõ «óáÄ¢ø ¸ñÎ ¦¾Ã¢óЦ¸¡ûÙí¸û.
Á¡Ä¡, Á¢ì¸ ¿ýÈ¢. ±ýÉ¢¼õ ¯ûÇ ¯¨Ã¢ø ÀÄ Ì¨È¸û ¯ûÇɧÀ¡ø ¯½÷¸¢§Èý. ¬¸, ¾¢ÕÅûÙŨÃÔõ Å¢¼Å¢ø¨Ä. «Å¨ÃÔõ º÷ìÌûǡ츢Ţð¼É÷.
þìÌÈÇ¢ø º¢ó¾¨É¨Â ¦ºÖòÐÁ¡Ú ¯óоø ¾óÐ §¸ð¼¾üÌ ¿¡ý ±ÉÐ «ýÀ¡É ¿ýÈ¢¨Âò ¦¾Ã¢Å¢òÐ즸¡û¸¢§Èý.
Ó¨ÉÅ÷ Ó. ÅþáºÉ¡Ã¢ý ¦¾Ç¢×¨Ã¢ø: ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²¸¢É¡ý ±ýÛõ ¦¾¡¼ÕìÌ, "«ýÀâý «¸Á¡¸¢Â ÁÄâø Å£üÈ¢ÕìÌõ ¸¼×Ç¢ý," Á¡½Ê = "º¢Èó¾ ¾¢ÕÅʸ¨Ç" ±ýÚ ±Ø¾¢ÔûÇ¡÷. þýÛõ º¢Ä ¯¨Ã¸Ùõ ¯ûÇÉ. «ÅüÈ¢ø ±¾¢§ÄÛõ ºÁ½, Òò¾ Á¾í¸Ç¢ý ¦¾¼÷À¢Ä¡É ¦À¡Õû ÜÈôÀðÊÄÐ ±ýÀÐ ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢¼ò ¾ì¸Ð. ¾Õ½õ Å¡öìÌõ§À¡Ð «ÅüÈ¢ø º¢ÄÅü¨Èì ¸¡½Ä¡õ.
Àâ§ÁÄƸ÷ ¸¡Äò¾¢ø º¢Ä÷ ºÁ½ Á¾ò¨¾ò ¦¾¡¼÷ÒÀÎòÐõ ÅƢ¢ø ¯¨Ã¦º¡øÄ¢ì ¦¸¡ñÊÕ󾨾 «Å÷ ÌÈ¢òÐ, "«í¹Éõ ÜÚÅ¡ÚÓÇ÷" ±ýÚ ¦º¡øÄ¢ò ¾¡õ «¾¨Éô À¢ýÀüÈÅ¢ø¨Ä ±ýÚ Å¢ð¼¨¾, Á£ñÎõ ¨¸Â¢¦ÄÎòÐô ÒòТåðÊ, º¢Ä÷ ´ÕôÀÎÁ¡Úõ ÀÄ÷ ÁÚôÒ¨ÃìÌÁ¡Úõ ¬É§¾¡÷ ¿¢¨Ä¨Â ¯Õš츢ÂÅ÷ S.¨Å¡Òâ¡÷!!
I am sorry to bring this up, but
How would we know thirukuRaL (1330) were written by one person?
whom we named as thiruvaLLuvar? :)
1. ¾¢ÕÅûÙÅ÷ þÂüȢɡ÷ ±ýÚ ÀÄ ºí¸ô ÒÄÅ÷¸û ÜÈ¢ÔûÇÉ÷. «Å¨Ãô Ò¸úóÐ À¡ÊÔûÇÉ÷.
2. "¦À¡öþø ÒÄÅý" ±ýÚ º£ò¾¨Äî º¡ò¾É¡÷ Á½¢§Á¸¨Ä¢ø «Å¨Ãô §À¡üÈ¢ì ÜÈ¢ÔûÇ¡÷.
3 «Å÷¾õ ¦ºöÔû/¸Å¢¨¾ ¿¨¼. ÁüÈ Â¡ÕìÌõ Åá¾ ¾É¢î ¦º¡øÄÎìÌ Ó¨È. ¸Î¨¸ò ШÇòÐ ²Ø ¸¼¨Äô Ò¸ðÊ, ²ý, «Ï¨Åò ШÇòÐ ²ú¸¼¨Äô Ò¸ðÊì ÌÚ¸ò ¾Ã¢ìÌõ ¾¢Èý.
4´ý¨Èî ¦º¡øÄ¢ «¾¢Ä¢ÕóÐ ÀÄ÷ ÀÄÅü¨È ¯½÷óЦ¸¡ûÙÁ¡Ú ¦ºöÔû Ò¨ÉÔõ ¾¢Èý. ±íÌ ±¨¾î ¦º¡ýÉ¡ø, «¨¾ ±ôÀʦÂøÄ¡õ «È¢ó§¾¡÷ ŢâòÐ즸¡ûÅ÷ ±ýÚ ¦¾Ã¢óÐ À¡Îõ ¦¾öÅôÒĨÁ.
5 º¢Ä§Å¨Ç¸Ç¢ø Ţθ¨¾§À¡ø À¡Êì §¸ð§À¡÷ þÐ ¦º¡ýÉ¡§Ã¡, «Ð ¦º¡ýÉ¡§Ã¡ ±ýÚ ¾¢ñ¼¡¼¨ÅìÌõ ÒĨÁ. (¸Ä¢í¸òÐôÀý¢Â¢ø ܼ ¦ºÂí¦¸¡ñ¼¡÷ þôÀÊ ¦º¡øÄ¢ø Å¢¨Ç¡ÊÔûÇ¡÷.). ¯¾¡Ã½õ: "ÁÄ÷Á¢¨º ²¸¢É¡ý" ±ýÈÀ¡ðÎ.
6 Ò¾¢Â ÀÄ ¸¨Ä¦º¡ü¸¨Ç ¯ÕÅ¡ì¸¢ì ¦¸¡ñ¼¨Á. ±íÌõ ¸¡½ô¦ÀÈ¡¾ ¦º¡øĨÁôÒ¸û. ¦º¡ü¦È¡¼÷¸û. Ò¾¢Â «øÄÐ ºÃ¢Â¡É ŨèÈ׸û. (definitions).
7 So far no civil claims against him alleging co-authorship or contribution.
8 Tamil lit. sources have always been honest about authorship. When it is an anthology, they have said so.
þýÛõ ÀÄ.
À¡¦ÄøÄ¡õ ¿øÄ¡Å¢ý À¡Ä¡§Á¡?
á¦ÄøÄ¡õ ÅûÙÅý¦ºö áÄ¡§Á¡?
¿ýÈ¢, Á¡Ä¡! :D
I heard Thirukkural is the second literature translated into many no. of languages. (First one is Bible).
The true strength of Thriukkural is that it is not a religious based :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by bis_mala
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Originally Posted by bis_mala
"¬ÀÂý ÌýÚõ «Ú¦¾¡Æ¢§Ä¡÷ áøÁÈôÀ÷
¸¡ÅÄý ¸¡Å¡ý ±É¢ý"
¬ÀÂý == ¬Ìõ ÀÂý ¿¡ðÊø ̨ÈóÐÅ¢Îõ; «Ú¦¾¡Æ¢§Ä¡÷ = «ÚŨ¼ò ¦¾¡Æ¢Ä¡Ç÷¸û, «¾¡ÅÐ ¯Æצ¾¡Æ¢Ö¨¼§Â¡÷; áø = ¾¡õ ÀÕò¾¢ áĢĢÕóÐ ¦ºöÔõ «½¢Å¾üÌâ ¬¨¼¸¨Çî ¦ºöЦ¸¡ûÇ; ÁÈôÀ÷ = ¦ºö þÂÄ¡¾Å÷¸Ç¡¸¢Å¢ÎÅ÷; ¸¡ÅÄý = ¿¡ðÊý ÁýÉý; ¸¡Å¡ý ±É¢ý = Өȧ¡Π¬ðº¢ ¦ºöÐ Á츨Çì ¸¡ì¸Å¢ø¨Ä¡ɡø.
þЧŠþìÌÈÙìÌô ¦À¡Õû. ¸¡Åø ̨Èžɡø, ¾¢Õðθû ÜξġÌõ; «ÚŨ¼ò ¦¾¡Æ¢§Ä¡÷, ¾¡õ µöÅ¢ýÈ¢ì ¸¡Åø§Áü¦¸¡ñÎ ¾õ ¦À¡Õû¸¨Ç, Å¢¨Çîºø¸¨Çì ¸¡òÐ즸¡ûǧÅñÊÅÕõ, áÄ¡ø ¬¨¼ ¦¿öÂ×õ §¿ÃÁ¢ýÈ¢ «øÄø ÀÎÅ÷; ¸ð¼ò н¢Ü¼ «Ã¢¾¡öÅ¢Îõ ±ýÀ¾¡õ.
þìÌÈû °÷측Åø Ó츢Âõ ±ýÀ¨¾ì ÜÚ¸¢ÈÐ.
¸¡ÅÄý ¸¡Åø ̨ÈóÐÅ¢ð¼¡ø «¾É¡ø Áó¾¢Ãõ µ¾¢ì¦¸¡ñÊÕôÀÅ÷¸ÙìÌ ´ýÚÁ¢ø¨Ä!! ¯¾¡Ã½Á¡¸, ¦¸¡û¨Ç측ÃÉ¡ø ¦¸¡øÄôÀð¼Åý ÌÎõÀò¾¢É÷, µÐ¸¢ÈÅÉ¢¼õ ÅóÐ º¡í¸¢Âí¸û ¦ºö «¨ÆôÀ÷; «¾É¡ø µÐ¸¢ÈÅÛìÌ ÅÕÁ¡Éõ ÜÎõ. ¬ðÎìÌðÊ ¸¡½Áü§À¡ÉÅý, ¡÷ ¾¢ÕÊÉ¡÷ ±ýÚ ¸ñ¼È¢Â Áó¾¢ÃÅ¡¾¢Â¢¼õ ÅÃÄ¡õ....þôÀÊ¡¸, °÷¦¸ðÎô§À¡É¡ø Áó¾¢Ã了¡ø¸¢ÈÅÛìÌ ±ó¾ì ̨È×Á¢ø¨Ä. ¬¸§Å áø ±ýÀÐ µÐ¸¢ÈÅý á¨Äì ÌȢ측Ð. ¿¢¨Éò¾¦¾øÄ¡õ ¿¼óÐÅ¢ð¼¡ø ( «¾¡ÅÐ ±øÄ¡õ Ó¨ÈôÀʧ ¿¼óÐÅ¢ð¼¡ø ) ¦¾öÅõ ²ÐÁ¢ø¨Ä ±ýÀÐÁðÎÁøÄ, Áó¾¢Ãõ ¦º¡øÀŨÉÔõ ¡Õõ §¾ÊÅÃÁ¡ð¼¡÷¸û!!
¬†¡! «ýÀ÷ Bis_mala -Å¢ý Å¢Çì¸õ «Õ¨Á.
¬É¡ø ´Õ ÌÆôÀõ. ¯ÆÅ÷¸ÙìÌõ ¦¿º×ò¦¾¡Æ¢Ç¡ÇÕì¸¡É áÖìÌõ ±ýÉ ¦¾¡¼÷Ò?.... Å¢Çí¸Å¢ø¨Ä.
"«¨¾Ôõ¬úóÐ º¢ó¾¢òÐ즸¡ñ§¼¾¡ý Å¢Çì¸ò¨¾ ±Ø¾¢§Éý!
¸õÀý Å£ðÎì ¸ðÎò¾È¢Ôõ ¸Å¢À¡Îõ ±ýÚ §¸ûÅ¢ôÀðÊÕôÀ£÷¸§Ç!! "«¾¡ÅÐ ¦ÀÕí¸Å¢¸ûܼ ¦º¡ó¾Á¡¸ ¦¿öÐ ¯Îò¾¢ì¦¸¡ñ¼ ¸¡ÄÁÐ. (¸õÀý ¸¡Äò¾¢§Ä§Â «ôÀÊ ±ýÈ¡ø ÅûÙÅý ¸¡Äò¾¢ø ¯ÆÅ÷¸û, «ÚŨ¼¦ºö§¾¡÷ ±ýÉ Å¢¾¢Å¢Ä측?) µö× §¿Ãí¸Ç¢ø ¦º¡ó¾ ¯¨¼¸¨Ç ¦¿öЦ¸¡ñ¼¡÷¸û. ¦¿ºÅ¡Ç÷¸û ¦¸¡ïºõ ¯Æ×õ ¦ºö¾¡÷¸û!! «ÚŨ¼¦ºö§Å¡ÕìÌ «ÚŨ¼ ¾¨Ä¡ÂÐ; ¦¿º× - ¾ÁìÌ §Åñʨ¾ò ¾¡§Á ¦ºöЦ¸¡ûž¡¸¢Â ¿¼ÅÊ쨸¸Ç¢¦Ä¡ýÚ. «ÚŨ¼ ¦ºöÐ «¨¾ô À¡Ð¸¡ì¸§Å «øÄø À¼§ÅñÊ¢Õó¾¡ø, ÁüÈ ÒÈ ¿¼ÅÊ쨸¸ÙìÌ §¿Ãõ ²Ð? ÁÈóÐÅ¢¼§ÅñÊÂо¡ý!!
Except in few instances involving people in the higher echelon of society, specialization or division of labour was never absolute. ( Even in Europe before the advent of the sewing machine, poor wives had to stitch coats for their husbands and brew beer for him to drink and enjoy!! ) To purchase these services and goods would have cost a fortune!) Of course, the princess had everything done for her!!
Thus nool played an important part in the lives of most of the people.
¸¡ó¾¢ÂʸûÜ¼î ¦º¡ó¾Á¡¸§Å ¦¿º×¦ºöЦ¸¡ñ¼¾¢ø, ¦¿º× ¡Õõ¦ºÂžüÌâÂÐ ±ýÀÐ ¿ýÌ ¦¾Ã¢¸¢ÈÐ.
«Æ¸¡É Å¢Çì¸õ. ±ýÉ¢¼õ ¯ûÇ ¯¨Ã¢ø (Ó. ÅþáºÉ¡÷ ±É §Áø Àì¸ò¾¢ø ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢¼ôÀðÎûÇÐ. ¬É¡ø ¯¨È ¿£ì¸ôÀðÎûÇÐ) «ó¾½Õõ «È áø¸¨Ç ÁÈôÀ÷ ±Éì ÜÈôÀðÎûÇÐ. Áü¦È¡Õ ³Âõ - 'ÌʨÁ' ±Ûõ «¾¢¸¡Ãò¾¢ø ¯Â÷ÌÊ¢ø À¢Èó¾Å÷¸Ç¢ý ´Øì¸õ ÀüÈ¢ ÜÈôÀθ¢ÈÐ. ¯Â÷ÌÊ ±É ÅûÙÅ÷ ±¨¾ì ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢Î¸¢È¡÷?Quote:
Originally Posted by bis_mala
quote="bis_mala"
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Friends,
we saw a discussion as Kural can be Samanam-Jains.
Friends, we need to understand that 2nd Cen. Tiruvalluvar Time- Both Buddism and Jainism where Agnostic, and insisting on God worship, which is toomuch away from Valluvar. Hence Valluvar can never be both of this.
Again Jain on that time don't bath, because that might harm water bodies, But Valluvar says- Body is Purified by Water. Valluvar talks in another Kural on Drinking of Honey again Prohibited by Jains.
Valluvar says Vedas in high Regard and that he is Vedic.
More about any interpolations in Kural, absolutely No- Detailed post shortly.
Devapriya.
You were saying it was written by a Christian convert during your incarnation as PaulThomas. Now you are saying he was Vedic.Quote:
Valluvar says Vedas in high Regard and that he is Vedic.
What else you are able to say?
LET US HAVE THE PROOF.
Dear Bismala,
Very Clearly it has been proved by Devapriya with Highest Authorities that Valluvar regards Vedas and advises to do so.
Why don't you accept the Truth?
Can we treat all who post in Favour of Sanskrit as Solomon and for Meaningless Tamil Chavunism as FSG in various Incarnations.
Answer the posts - on its merits, the points raised here look reasonable and please reply to that.
MMS
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Highest authority!!!! :lol:
Could you explain the following thirukURaL???? :roll:
±ô¦À¡Õû ¡÷ ¡÷ Å¡ö §¸ðÀ¢Ûõ «ô¦À¡Õû
¦Áöô¦À¡Õû ¸¡ñÀ¾È¢×! 8-)
The 8th incarnation of MosesMohamedSolomon has now descended. Not surprisingly it has spoken in its familiar terms.Quote:
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Well done, MosesMohamedSolomon!! You think you can defraud me if you abbreviate MosesMohamedSolomon to "mms"? No way!!
MosesMohamedSolomon! Solomon! Devapriya! Pavitra! PaulThomas! mms!
and more...... யார் இந்த மர்மயோகி??
//Answer the posts - .................................... reply to that.//
ஆகாகா!! நான் எந்த வேடத்தில் வந்தால் உனக்கென்ன?? நீ ஆடுகிறபடி ஆடிக் காட்டுவது உன் வேலை என்கிறீரா? பரவாயில்லையே உம் உத்தி....இப்படியெல்லாமா எங்களை ஏமாற்ற்ப் பார்க்கிறீர்?
Friends,
Tirukural belongs to 3rd Cen CE, which was almost Kalapirar period, dominated by Jains. SO Valluvar took a Secular outlook to explain Vedic Thoughts and Let me explain them in my next posts.
Devapriya
KuRaL was composed at around 33 BCE or before. U.V. Saminatha Iyer agreed.
I have been visiting this thread on and off. Whenever I logged in the subject used to be unattractive for me to respond.
Looking back to some of the points raised in this forum, I would like to respond to two issues:
(i) Dating of Tirrukkural: Like most literary works in India, dating of Kural has also been inconclusive. We can only speculate and no one can provide us a period and get away without any criticism. Must have been written any time between the 1st century AD to 6th Century AD.
(ii) Next is the religion of Valluvar: So much has been talked about and written. The only widely accepted "NOTION" is that he must have been an "unorthodox" Hindu. However, Jaina claims are the most valid. I have been studying the Kural since 2000 and the more I dwell into it, the more I realize that the work is based on Jaina ideals and the names/attributes of God(s) Valluvar refer to in Chapter 1 are more apt to describe Jaina deities than that of any other faith.
I am in the process of completing a comprehensive article in English: "Jaina ideas in Tirukkural: திருக்குறளில் சமண தழுவல்கள்" which will soon be uploaded at my site. We can take forward this dicussion in detail once this is done.
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//I have been visiting this thread on and off. Whenever I logged in the subject used to be unattractive for me to respond.//
Thank you for your Feedback.. exhibiting your frankness. Well.!.
.. Why should you restrict yourselves as the GUEST only?...
...You can be the HOST too at least in some respects... thus FILLING UP THE GAP... whatever you may mean so.
// Looking back to some of the points raised in this forum, I would like to respond...
.....................
[/b].. the religion of Valluvar:[/b] So much has been talked about and written. The only widely accepted "NOTION" is that he must have been an "unorthodox" Hindu.//
Yes. There are more proofs for such an arguent than the others.. NOT A NOTION.
// However, Jaina claims are the most valid... I realize that the work is based on Jaina ideals and the names/attributes of God(s) Valluvar refer to in Chapter 1 are more apt to describe Jaina deities than that of any other faith.//
No. Scholars say that this is the very chapter-I which is leading us more towards the concept of Vedic-faith than other faiths
Besides in the other chapters too...there are more Terminologies of Vedic-faith...than on the other faiths..
For example.... the words...
"THAVVAIYAI kaatti-vidum"... "Thavvai" means Moodevi of Hindu faith.
His wordings "Mazhiththalum Neettalum Vaendaa...". ... directly means Budhism and Jainism. So it cannot be either.
But one specific Terminology... is conspicuosly dragging us towards the thoughts on Budhism.
"MALAR-MISAI YAEHINAAN MAANADI..." means the God or some such Soul of Reverence... who walked on the Flower(s) ...
That was the Lord Budha. Although these words are meant differently by Parimael-azhahar and Manakkudavar... attributing more towards Hinduism...
Whereas the descriptive meaning of another Scholar, Dharumar..for the same Terminology... takes us on the above lines towards Budhism.... which we are unable to repudiate. forcefully.
One Tamil-Scholar put forth an argument in the International Tamil-Conference.... that Thirukkuralh is the Tamil-form of Bible... attributing towards Christianity... He put forth several points of interest.
Only because of so much room for different faiths...
... along with the LARGE-HEARTED concepts towards Secularism...
...BROAD-BASED and Common for all sorts of Religious faiths prevalent in the Global arena...
... Thirukkuralh is named as PODHU-MARHAI....and so accepted by Scholars of common outlook.
It needs and also has adequate substances for a detailed and elaborate discussions. and arguments towards various angles.
// I am in the process of completing a comprehensive article in English: "Jaina ideas in Tirukkural: திருக்குறளில் சமண தழுவல்கள்" which will soon be uploaded at my site. We can take forward this dicussion in detail once this is done.//
Well. Welcome..Glad to know... Please proceed and post them here too for our discussions.
One prime Question... I seek your Answer...
If Thirukkuralh is of Samana faith... can there be a Chapter on ... KAAMATHTHU PAAL?...
...the concept of breeding Human-desire .... especially towards Women?
...a diametrically opposite spirit of Budhism and Jainism.??...!!!