Does Love Exist?

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

For Girls (not Shakthiprabha :poke: ) :

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naan enna pavam paNNEn? ennai magaLir aNilaiye serka mateengala :rotfl2:

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1. the above one..
2. He is no way can find a job and can provide bread and butter and u come to understand that at a time..

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There are ppl like that.

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Will u still marry him..?

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If they are married, and the above situation happens how many spouses run away tm? dont they still cling and live?

When u know ur spouse cant give u sensual pleasure and is handicapped and cant earn u a day's bread, aren't there any ppl around u, living under the same roof (sometimes out of helplessness) and some other times out of compassion, affection (or whateer u name it) (and please dont qualify love as pure and contaminated grrrrr)

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

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etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs about whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

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+1

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

TM, Andha luvs matter......... :noteeth:

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

TM, Andha luvs matter......... :noteeth:

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Ulagam-E azinjAlum unggaLuku antha kathai therinjAkanum... :lol:

SP,
Aborad - anga irukum Dating dhan

India vil - konjam per maari, love endru solli,

kuzhapi, kuzhambi, kashta padarnaga..

adharku bhadilaga,

Dating endru solli - suthi vittu,

kalyana asai vandha - yaraiyavadhu kalyanam senjuka vendiyadhu dhan.

(adhu dating la suthina - yaravadhagavum irukalam. tats all)

idhu dhan inimel nadaka poradhu......

i think so.......

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Originally Posted by Plum

My dear TM, idhai romba izhukkarInga.
Let's say someone destroys himself in Love - or in your words "so-called Love", how do you know he died sadder than you are happy living?

What if destroying himself for Love gave him much greater pleasure than all that we get in our Life by not getting into any such Loves scenario?

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I am not talking abt happiness before, after or in this case at the time of death :roll:

Anbyngrathu oruththana thelivu paduththanum.. ippadi thannayae kolra alavukku oru koazhaithanamaana, paithiyakaarathanamaana seyalukku enna poruththa varaikkum boathai nnu thaan paer.. yaerkanavae sonnatu than..

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Originally Posted by Plum

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For Guys :
You are in love(true, pure, deep or whatever..) with someone.. at one stage the girl lost all her fairness and u come to know that she is no way eligible for sexual relation.. Will u still marry her ?

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What if there is such a person? Would you believe it if I say I know such a person, or rather knew. Albeit in England. Which is another story because we are so used to denigrating the decadent west, and perhaps even people who argue love exists, some of them will possibly echo you that true love doesnt exist in the western world :-)

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naan irukka maataangannu sollavae illa plum.. yaerkanavae sonnathuthaan..exceptions are everywhere.. i am talking abt the most cases...

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

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I loved the girl nextdoor.
It was a "pure unselfish love", but eventually married MY wife. :rotfl3: :cheer:

Is this the "pure love" we are talking about??

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May be tm feels, love is 'pure' only when it ends in marriage :think:

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Absolutely not..

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

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:P

solraen stanley, seekiram :rotfl2: athukaana santharpamae kodukka maatraangalaey :P

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Originally Posted by NOV

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Love is beyond any theory or scope because love doesn't follow any rule. You can't understand true love but you can feel it. There isn't more wonderful thing than feeling love; it's like a sunset: every time you fall in love is different and special. I disagree with any theory about love because I think the only way to learn something about love is when you feel it in your skin, in your heart and in your soul.

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http://www.englishforums.com/English.../xrhg/post.htm

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It is an infatuation alike an intoxication making one under its effect a poet!!! :lol: vaaya thoRanthaalE 'kavitha kavitha' thaan! Not at all surprising!

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

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usha,

ithai thaan naan tm kitta sollitu irunthen....

love mattum illai ella relationship laiyum "UNSELFISH" enbathu kurainju pochu...

and it happens in man - woman relationship too. :|

ponnunga nnu mattum illai,
men keep moving with changing times too

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

For Girls (not Shakthiprabha :poke: ) :

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naan enna pavam paNNEn? ennai magaLir aNilaiye serka mateengala :rotfl2:

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1. the above one..
2. He is no way can find a job and can provide bread and butter and u come to understand that at a time..

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There are ppl like that.

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Will u still marry him..?

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If they are married, and the above situation happens how many spouses run away tm? dont they still cling and live?

When u know ur spouse cant give u sensual pleasure and is handicapped and cant earn u a day's bread, aren't there any ppl around u, living under the same roof (sometimes out of helplessness) and some other times out of compassion, affection (or whateer u name it) (and please dont qualify love as pure and contaminated grrrrr)

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

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etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

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Why compare the unexpected hardships coming after marriage to the 'situation' quoted by TM? Two completely different situations! :o

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

and again for nth time, again I repeat ( like many others did)

this thread IS NOT ABOUT

* how pure love is
* what are its after effects
* why it happened
* when it happened
* what if it fails
* what if they dont live under same roof or marry
* what happened later etc
* what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

ITs abotu whether or not "it exists"

and it does. period.

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naanum athaan paesittu irukkaen :huh:

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

etho ekku thappa pesi maatikiteenga. ippo u are unsure how to untangle urself out of this :rotfl2: pavam tm :poke:

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innum naan kaetathukkellaam ozhungaa answer panna mudiyalainaalum intha vetti banthaakku onnum kuraichal illa :poke:[/b]

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

what is the percentage of unselfish love existing in current era etc

SP,

Unselfish - Idhai love ku matum yen kaekare..

indha vaarthaiku than ipo arthamae illaiyae....

IPo irukum indha ulagam - SELFISH to the core...........

adharkena oru nyayam, ilakanam - ellavatrukum - pudhiyadhai - vidhimurai uruvagi kondu irukum indha nerathil,

epapdi love ku matum - Unselfish ai expect panre?

No chance.

Particularly, ponnunga kite irundhu No chance......

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usha,

ithai thaan naan tm kitta sollitu irunthen....

love mattum illai ella relationship laiyum "UNSELFISH" enbathu kurainju pochu...

and it happens in man - woman relationship too. :|

ponnunga nnu mattum illai,
men keep moving with changing times too

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Shakthi,
naan athelaam marukavae illa.

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

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Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

We cant find PURITY in any kind of emotionally bound relationship. These are tangible , ie cant be measured and keeps changing. Why dont u complain about parents who forget to shower affection to kids or kids who forget to talk few caring words to parents? Or freinds who turn their faces away ? or siblings who curse each other?

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correct thaan... but say for example.. Mother - son/daughter relation.. at least from mother side in many cases it is not a selfish one.. expecting something in favor of the love / affection she shows towards his kid.. atha maathiri innum pala relation la u can find a considerable amount of people...

But only in the case of love as per topic such unselfish and unconditional affection cases is extremely low or nil.. That is the only relation which does not care (mostly) abt the surroundings.
BTW i am not complaining or pin pointing.. I am also part of all these relations..

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sp,
sorry to say.

ponnunga kite - unselfish - poyae pochu.

dhairiyama - theliva solren.

society la nadakaradha vechi than solren.

1. ponnunga - marriage stage la - avanga ishathuku than
paiyanai select panranga.

enaku therinju - nalla pasanga - 4 per - appa amma kite
ponnu pakka solli - marriage ku wait pannitu irukaga..

age achu ipo - 30,32,33, 35

kalyanam agalai.

ponnu kedacha podhum nu irukaga.

oru rules um sollalai.

elllarum - B.E. - software company la velai.. nalla salary....

yen marriage agalai theiryuma....

ellarum - india la irukanga.............

idhuku enna solre.........

appa amma - simple type - nejama nalla quality oda

(foreign dhan usathi nu nenaikadha nalla quality)

avanga ponnunga elam - india la irukara paiyanai
kalyanam pannindu irukanga.....

ipadi irukarachae....

love epadi irukum???????????

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

sp,
sorry to say.

ponnunga kite - unselfish - poyae pochu.

dhairiyama - theliva solren.

society la nadakaradha vechi than solren.

1. ponnunga - marriage stage la - avanga ishathuku than
paiyanai select panranga.

enaku therinju - nalla pasanga - 4 per - appa amma kite
ponnu pakka solli - marriage ku wait pannitu irukaga..

age achu ipo - 30,32,33, 35

kalyanam agalai.

ponnu kedacha podhum nu irukaga.

oru rules um sollalai.

elllarum - B.E. - software company la velai.. nalla salary....

yen marriage agalai theiryuma....

ellarum - india la irukanga.............

idhuku enna solre.........

appa amma - simple type - nejama nalla quality oda

(foreign dhan usathi nu nenaikadha nalla quality)

avanga ponnunga elam - india la irukara paiyanai
kalyanam pannindu irukanga.....

ipadi irukarachae....

love epadi irukum???????????

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itha sonnaa nambuveengalo illayo..

marriage times la ponnunga, kalyaanathukku munnaalayae thani kudithanam thaan vaenumnu condition poadurathu niraya kaelvi pattirupeenga..
atha vida koduma love panna aarambichathum.. peththavangala othukki vaikirathula irunthu munnaadiyae condition poatta rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

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பாவம், பெர்சனல் வாழ்க்கையில ரொம்பவே பாதிக்கப்பட்டிருக்கீங்க போலிருக்கு :-)

TM,
adhu paravayilai.

mosam enna na - oruthan kite love sollitu -

avanai katti potutu,

ponnunga matum - friends gara perla
pasanga kite pesuvanga.. pazhaguvanga..
suthuvanga.

paiyan matum - karpoda irukanam

idhu dhan TM - murpagal seiyin pirpagal vilaiyum garadhu.

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.

idhula enga - pure love, unselfish love varum...

oru love oda success
inniki

andha ponnu kite dhan iruku.. andha paiyan kite
sathiyama ilai........

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Originally Posted by app_engine

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Originally Posted by Thirumaran

rendu cases enakku theriyum :sigh2:

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பாவம், பெர்சனல் வாழ்க்கையில ரொம்பவே பாதிக்கப்பட்டிருக்கீங்க போலிருக்கு :-)

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not anything personal to me.. :)

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.

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Cant agree more!

I am concerned abt the next generation girls.. intha circle la avanga pasanga kitta aniyaayathukku baathikka paduvaangannu thoanuthu :|

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

Fighting about love? :lol:

TM,

If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?

1. The boy(s) could have simply cooked up the story

2. Even if the "demand" happened right in front of you, how you can be sure that they weren't faking and were serious?

Now, even if such a demand comes from girls, I don't find anything wrong with that - considering that the society has treated so many marumagaLs like slaves and what not :-( The system has built up so much of insecurity in women - there're just too many cases of abuse to them. Earlier days, with lack of edu / opportunities etc, they couldn't do much.

Now they have some freedom, which is good.

Actually, this is a case of 'kaN uLLa kAdhal' which you should applaud and not condemn (as you're condemning 'kaN moodiththanamAna kAdhal' as mere intoxication) :-)

TM,
present generation la - ponnungaluku kashtam ilai.

neraiya choices iruku.. select panranga...

neenga sorladhu

vara pora generation ponnunaluku kasham adhigam irukum.

ulagam poora - girls population is very low compare to the boys.


so - inum 2 generation la - dhrowpathigal uruvaka padalam.

ipadi than sollanam - ponnungaluku vara pora kashtathai...........

very sorry to say.............

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

TM,
adhu paravayilai.

mosam enna na - oruthan kite love sollitu -

avanai katti potutu,

ponnunga matum - friends gara perla
pasanga kite pesuvanga.. pazhaguvanga..
suthuvanga.

paiyan matum - karpoda irukanam

idhu dhan TM - murpagal seiyin pirpagal vilaiyum garadhu.

30 varushathuku munnadi - GEns senja kodumaiyai
ipo

ponnunga - pasangaluku seiyaranga.

vera vazhi ilai. anubavichu than aganam.

idhula enga - pure love, unselfish love varum...

oru love oda success
inniki

andha ponnu kite dhan iruku.. andha paiyan kite
sathiyama ilai........

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:clap: romba sariyaa puttu puttu vachchittenga, Usha! Recently when some of our old (in two senses) friends met the topic of this recent trend was discussed with concern. One of the friends quoted an example of a girl listing a loooong list of conditions for marriage at the initial stage of alliance talks. The boy's side(my friend's relatives) got scared and looked elsewhere for alliance. The conditions included settling in the US, his parents forbidden to visit them etc! :shock:
The new-found freedom has made boys toys tot he girls!!! :twisted:

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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Originally Posted by Appu s

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

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Originally Posted by Appu s

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

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ippa entha thread layum digressions nadakaatha maathiri illa paesura :lol2:

love ngra paerla ippaiyum cases irukkunnu thaan solraen :poke:

on the topic itself there are still questions unanswered.. u can still get to the topic :poke:

atha paththi nee konjam kooda vaai thorakka maatra..vaera yethaachum diversion irukaannu paakurathulayae time spending :lol2:

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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Originally Posted by Appu s

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

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:exactly:

there are several such cases too in the so called love.

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Originally Posted by app_engine

TM,

If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?

1. The boy(s) could have simply cooked up the story

2. Even if the "demand" happened right in front of you, how you can be sure that they weren't faking and were serious?

Now, even if such a demand comes from girls, I don't find anything wrong with that - considering that the society has treated so many marumagaLs like slaves and what not :-( The system has built up so much of insecurity in women - there're just too many cases of abuse to them. Earlier days, with lack of edu / opportunities etc, they couldn't do much.

Now they have some freedom, which is good.

Actually, this is a case of 'kaN uLLa kAdhal' which you should applaud and not condemn (as you're condemning 'kaN moodiththanamAna kAdhal' as mere intoxication) :-)

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So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

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Originally Posted by app_engine

TM,
If not in your case, how do you know it for a fact that the girls asked for such conditions to the boy(s)?

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i know and can analyse on certain things.. i dont believe just like that anything..

It is upto others to believe or not..

On the rest of ur things u said, that is different topic which again requires a detail discussion.. i wont completely disagree u on that.

But w.r.t to the topic,when u come with such conditions then imo there is no love existed between them.

app,
edho vadham seiyadheenga.

ponnunga loda expectation - ipo - paiyanai
kashta paduthara alauvku iruku.

adhai than naan solla varen.

demands and expectation ai thappu sollalai.

oru example..

ponnu ipo earn panra. avaloda salary avalodadhu dhan..

adhai naan respect panren. adhu issue illai.

after marriage,

ava salaryum avalodadhu.
husband salaryum avalodadhu.

inga dhan idikaradhu...

like tat,
veetu velai...

kid ai pathukaradhu...

ella discipline um - husband or lover - avanuku matum dhan

avaluku onum illai.

idhu nyayama?

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Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam

So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

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Where did I say what they're doing is "right"? I was merely countering that TM cannot take two stands :-)

Either kAdhal should be blind or with sight.

He can't say it should not be blind and then come back and say how it can have eyes :-)

Coming back to whether the girls putting some conditions to the boys during courtship - there's definitely nothing wrong. Better to be careful now rather than suffering years of abuse (or end in a kerosene / gas stove accident) or suffer a dirty divorce and carry the burden of rising up children alone etc.

Relationship has to be give and take. Gone were the days which held the policy of "women give men take, and run to another woman" :-)

ipo ponnungaluku kashtam ilai.

ana - puli varudhu kadhai pola,

future la, pasanga lala (konjama iruka poranga . apo)

ponnungaluku kashtam varum nu thonudhu.

ana vera madhiri..

5 paiyanuku - oruthi than wife... life tat.

seriously speaking here.....

so,

love um. unselfish um - meaning illamal pora kalam idhu.

tats all from my side......

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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Originally Posted by Appu s

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

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I understood that feddy, but why talking this about here :huh:

FOR ALL THOSE,THE THREAD STARTED FOR THERE IS LOVE EXIST OR NOT,

THIRU SAYS NO, SO THERE IS NO LOVE AT ALL BETWEEN ANY MALE AND FEMALE,AS PER HIS OPINION EVERYONE IS JUST LIVING LIKE JADAMS.

no one Justifying about love and effects,maamiyar marumaga kodumai.. thani kudithanam.. that is totally out of topic,yoou guys are talking like as if all the arranged married couple are living in a heaven.

Usha chEchi,

I'm not throwing some statements merely for vAdham :-)

I strongly believe that "kAdhal without conditions" never existed and will never exist. (I understand that the discussion of this thread is only about "romantic love - kAdhal" and not about other forms of love - like the ones between friends, between blood relatives, towards things, towards unrelated people, towards God...)

The "conditions" should only come from boys and girls should simply agree to them is not correct. And vice-versa :-)

Women may be more outspoken, demanding etc now. I'm just trying to see the psychology behind it - centuries of suppression, possibly :-)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

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Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam

So, marumagaLs slaves-aa nadaththapattathunaala ippO poNNunga paNNuRathu right? What a logic!

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Where did I say what they're doing is "right"? I was merely countering that TM cannot take two stands :-)

Either kAdhal should be blind or with sight.

He can't say it should not be blind and then come back and say how it can have eyes :-)

Coming back to whether the girls putting some conditions to the boys during courtship - there's definitely nothing wrong. Better to be careful now rather than suffering years of abuse (or end in a kerosene / gas stove accident) or suffer a dirty divorce and carry the burden of rising up children alone etc.

Relationship has to be give and take. Gone were the days which held the policy of "women give men take, and run to another woman" :-)

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But there should be some fairness in the 'conditions' put forward by these modern girls! What is the percentage of 'stove accidents', divorces, adulteries and other abuses? What about the unwritten stories of mils suffering unspeakable abuses in the hands of dils? I know many cases where such things happen. You think girls are right to be careful, but you fail to realise it is not 'carefulness' but pure arrogant atrocity! :shock:

app,

got it. apo sari.

ponnunga loda conditions - boys bayandhukara app.

adhan ipo vishayam.

love or arranged marriage...

adhan sonnen

apo epadi - love - unselfish elam....

boys ku - kannai moodindu love varum.

girls ku - adhai work out panni pathutu

maths madhiri - derivation ready pannitu

sari vandha - love ku sari nu solranga.

sari varalai na - no solranga.......

idhu dhan ipo nadakara love.........

I remember one song..


kangalE KangalE kadhal seivathi vitu vidungal
pEngalE pengalE vaalibarai konjum vaazha vidungal

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Originally Posted by Appu s

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

They are the side effects of love is my understanding. :P

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Originally Posted by Appu s

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: This thread turn into somewhere else.... all comments about ava avan kooda odi poitta... thani kudithanam :rotfl2: athellam Inga vanthu yen pesurenga...

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I understood that feddy, but why talking this about here :huh:

FOR ALL THOSE,THE THREAD STARTED FOR THERE IS LOVE EXIST OR NOT,

THIRU SAYS NO, SO THERE IS NO LOVE AT ALL BETWEEN ANY MALE AND FEMALE,AS PER HIS OPINION EVERYONE IS JUST LIVING LIKE JADAMS.

no one Justifying about love and effects,maamiyar marumaga kodumai.. thani kudithanam.. that is totally out of topic,yoou guys are talking like as if all the arranged married couple are living in a heaven.

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jadam? :lol: Not at all! Nature has provided all men and women with necessary instincts and impulses to keep itself ever alive! Luvvunnu paiyanga ippO poNNunga pinnaala pOna there is basic hormonal attraction underneath, poNNunga luvvunnu sonna bayangaramaana aayaththam for feathering their nest! ithaiyellaam luvvunnu sollikkiROm!!!