IR's New albums - Ver 2008/2009

One final post -

If a sufficiently publicised album is phenomenal, there won't be any need to wonder why not many people appreciate it:-)

Like Suresh said if the publicity is not enough, there may be need for someone to lavish praises for people to take note of it and that is not the case of NK.

NK as a whole album isn't much to write about- that is as a fresh new creative product from IR. Period. And that's why there're not many postings / comments.

Any such widely advertised product will draw so much of accolades had it delivered the goods. And there won't be worrisome comments as to why not many notice it
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Originally Posted by app_engine

NK as a whole album isn't much to write about- that is as a fresh new creative product from IR. Period. And that's why there're not many postings / comments.

Any such widely advertised product will draw so much of accolades had it delivered the goods. And there won't be worrisome comments as to why not many notice it
:wink:

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What are you talking about? The NK thread here has gone over 27 pages. Almost every review of NK out there, even the ones that rate the film badly, have mentioned Raaja's score as something special.

ananth222,
They were mostly post-release of the film (and not the album) and the praises were mainly for the BGM and not songs.

Also, if there are so much of praises for the album / platinum disk etc, there would have been no need for Sanjeevi's comment itself, isn't it?

which recent IR album would you say had more such talk? Its the same case for all of them. If UO had anything going for it, it was Kalaignar TVs own interest in promoting the film/music. Other than that, I don't think NK is in any way smaller than UO.
I don't know what Sanjeevi meant by his comment, but the only thing I can notice is that the group of people celebrating NK here is (mostly) different from the group that talked highly of UO here - and what is the reason for that? The comment would be valid even if NK and UO were interchanged.

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

Where are some IR fans who glorified UO like anything and are they deaf in front of NK and NL?

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Kittathatta oru maasam agapoguthu, nalla irukkunga unga takku :P

Indirectly I did not tell anything and don't try to find the inner meaning from my words.

It was just like asking "Ean innaikku avan office varala"

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

Sanjeevi, vadivel index finger-a than mugathukke point panni "unakku venumda.." nu solra madhiri naama rendu perum sollanum :banghead:

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Naanum muttikiduren :banghead:

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Originally Posted by app_engine

And I didn't say all "music lovers" don't care for devotionals in TFM. I only said "many TFM fans" don't care for them. Again, as an explanation to Sanjeevi's wondering why not much people throw their weight around NK.

Come on, I don't think NK is 'dEvarin dheivam' to have so much of religious-style score. And if you're not going to have it on screen anyways, why not some new 'puththam pudhukkAlai' instead of reworking 'mAdha un kOvil'?

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The songs were done before the decision to omit them just like putham puthu kaalai. I just think you have gone abit too negative. Om sivoham is the most talked about song and your saying that only the BGM is being talked about. Do you at all read the posts? :?

app, I dont question your choices here. We cannot all like all genres of music even if IR does it, fair enough.
However, a comparison between UO and NK is totally unwarranted in my opinion. To be fair, you didnt start that comparision but even as a response, I think it is unwarranted to compare both.
I liked both and where does that leave me now? Are both camps going to appreciate me for liking their choice or both going to hate me for not hating the other one ?:-)

Coming back to Naan Kadavul, even I had the initial reservations about too much reworking and had an argument with Baradwaj Rangan on that. But there is a completely different quality brought in by Sadhana Sargam as compared to S Janaki, which in itself makes it a different song. As Baradwaj Rangan observed, while the Achani version has a diffident S.Janaki pleading with Maadha, the Naan Kadavul version has Sadhana literally demanding attention and almost accusing maadha(Now to be detached from the religious contentions, I'd say even though maadha as in the christian God has been addressed here, we could in principle read that as any God of any pantheon so peace, lets not imagine a particular religion has been targetted here)of not taking care of her. It took me a few hearings and Baradwaj Rangan's observation in his review to notice this but these are subtleties that deserve attention.
This is not a plain rework like Kissa Hum Likhenge to Kaadhal Kadhidham. There is thought behind it> This is how Baradwaj describes it
"Where the marvellous S Janaki, in that earlier tune, made you imagine a tremulous schoolgirl offering a quivering prayer from a far corner of a room, Sadhana Sargam bursts forth with the sharpness of a clarion call, all but ordering us to eavesdrop on her litany of sorrow"

I dont think music can be detached from emotions and reworking the same song to different emotions has been an old trick of Ilaiyaraja. It is not new at all. I understand you either buy it or you don't. But my feeling is you havent thought so much about Naan Kadavul, my feeling is you have rejected it first and found reasons later, no offence :-)

A rework that I liked in the past was Swades' reworking of Baba Kichu tha. While even many Rahman fans gave up on Dekho Na because it resembled Baba Kichu Kichu tha, Rahman's complete reworking of the song to the completely different mood in Swades made it worthwhile for me.

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Originally Posted by Plum

A rework that I liked in the past was Swades' reworking of Baba Kichu tha. While even many Rahman fans gave up on Dekho Na because it resembled Baba Kichu Kichu tha, Rahman's complete reworking of the song to the completely different mood in Swades made it worthwhile for me.

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:exactly: Hard to choose between the two versions

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Originally Posted by app_engine

I understand songs were not of great concern in NK for the director but only BGM & BGM-ic songs (I believe most do not find screen time anyways). That may be the reason for collecting some old ones here and there and throw into the disk. If the disk didn't get that much attention from film's director and IR themselves, how do you guys expect more attention from people like me?

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Hold on, hold on! Sanjeevi and myself just rattled out a manakkumural, "Indha foruthula ulla IR fans UO-ku ellam aahaa oho nu comments kuduthaingale, ippo NK-avanga onnume sollalaye". The world in general > subset of forumhub IR fans. We didn't crib about any lack of reaction from the media/general public. Appadiye paathaal, it was UO which was devoid of any attention :)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Well, one need not like every genre produced by IR to be his admirer. It's one's right to selectively enjoy him - I can always choose to enjoy thakida thadhimi, vAn pOlE, nAdha vinOdhangaL & mounamAna nEram while ignoring the rest in salangai oli.

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Who is talking about individual preferences? You seem to represent an arbitary set called "fans of music among IR fans" and pass sweeping generalizations

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Originally Posted by app_engine

We don't consider IR as great BECAUSE he used 'alai pAyudhE' in EKEP or give credit to ARR BECAUSE he included that song in AP. Those were just there - as they may be situationally nice to have.
However, if someone claims AP a great album because of that song, it would be only too funny.

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I think you are extremely confused here :)
Where did you read anyone sayin IR is great BECAUSE he included Pichaipaathiram??? Wake up, sir!

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Originally Posted by app_engine

And I didn't say all "music lovers" don't care for devotionals in TFM. I only said "many TFM fans" don't care for them. Again, as an explanation to Sanjeevi's wondering why not much people throw their weight around NK.

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Neenga survey edutheengala??? Endha ulagathula irukkeenga app_engine? :)

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Originally Posted by vel

:lol: UO'kku extra efforts eduthu adhai review panninadhu oru nalla musical score'a makkal miss pannida koodaadhunnu oru aayasam dhaan. :D NK. NL dont need any such extra efforts as i was fully confident will hook up raja fans who thirsted for more of 80s musical energy ! :lol: murugan kovikkum bodhu dhaan avvaiyaaru samadhaana paduthanum. Appa amma voda avar sandhoshama irukkum bodhu, avvaikku velai illai...

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If you could step outside IR threads in forumhub, you will see which has been well received by "many TFM fans"

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Originally Posted by app_engine

If a sufficiently publicised album is phenomenal, there won't be any need to wonder why not many people appreciate it:-)
Like Suresh said if the publicity is not enough, there may be need for someone to lavish praises for people to take note of it and that is not the case of NK.
NK as a whole album isn't much to write about- that is as a fresh new creative product from IR. Period. And that's why there're not many postings / comments.
Any such widely advertised product will draw so much of accolades had it delivered the goods. And there won't be worrisome comments as to why not many notice it

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Originally Posted by app_engine

ananth222,
They were mostly post-release of the film (and not the album) and the praises were mainly for the BGM and not songs.
Also, if there are so much of praises for the album / platinum disk etc, there would have been no need for Sanjeevi's comment itself, isn't it?

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Please read all points above :)

To summarize
1) Sanjeevi (and myself) ranted thusly: "UO-ku ellam aahaa oho nu indha thread la sonnavanga yen NK pathi onnume sollala?" Does NOT mean we were cribbing about lack of acceptance in general. Just pick 5 people at random and ask them about UO. Chances are, they wont have a clue
2) Songs got a great reception in TF section here and among most IR fans (Orkut, media reviews, WOM, reactions in theater etc) in general