The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

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Originally Posted by viggop

Actually,Duryodhana will provoke drona by saying that his love for pandavas will be so great that he wont kill them.Drona will be hurt by all this coming from a fool such as duryodhana.On the day of his death,he'll intrpspect his life. he'll know that he has become attached to worldy desries and accumulated lot of sins.that is why he has to hear harsh words from people like duryodhana.he had thrown all the dharmas laid down by bhishma during the war(like not fighting after sunset).he'll use powerful astras like brahmaastra on ordinary soldiers and will kill thousands of them.he had become adharmic and probably,he'll lose any interest on the war and will fight only for duty's sake on his day of death.

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Viggop,

I think that was a melodrama only … Drona did not use Bramastra during the war… but was about to use it …. Krishna will realize that Guru Dronacharya is about to chant the divine mantra which will destroy the entire universe… ( probably like today’s nuclear device ?? )
He will hurriedly summon the entire pandavas to utter that lie and rest is history.

I don’t think Drona ever used Bramastra before that in the war…. As it’s a destructive weapon.. the astra of Lord Brahma… the creator of living beings….

I also heard that Lord Brahma himself will appear before Drona and will advise him not to use the Bramastra as he is not following dharma but Drona will emphatically reject Brahma by saying that he he following his dharma to the Kauravas…..

Drona never let down Duryodhana during any part of the war as his commitment was total…
The only lapse he did was allowing Arjuna to by pass him enabling him to march towards Jayathradha… which otherwise, Arjuna would never have reached him as Drona was a master and nobody could beat him…

Incidentally, in the war, those who knew the art of applying Bramastra were :

Bheeshma
Drona
Karna
Aswathama

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Arjuna

Viggop,

I have a query..

It appears very silly to me… as to how Karna was left alone in the battle field when he was the COMMANDER of the Kauvrava army… I know Saliyan ditched him and he left him in disarray but as per the war formation, the Supreme Commander is supposed to have back up of Chariots , elephants and other support if one chariot or support is lost …
What made Karna himself to get down from the chariot and try to lift it from the fateful pit…..is a mystery…..
He could have very well asked some army man or assistant to lift it…
Which means Karna was totally alone and isolated that moment ????
If you go through the way, the formation was given for Bheeshma and Drona, you will be amazed by the backup and the support they had ….
At one stage , Bheeshma will lose his chariot several times and will be replaced quickly by another one.
So also for Drona… Drona’s chariot will be destroyed by Bheema several times…. And will have back ups immediately…


Even Arjuna will wait for Karna to get back to normal position as after all Arjuna is a great warrior and he had high respect for Karna…
However, under the insistence of Krishna , he will fire an arrow on Karna to end his life…

Karna's protoectors of the chariots like his son susharma will all be killed by Arjuna.Shalya will keep on pulling down the confidence of Karna.But at last, Shalya will say that only Karna can defeat and kill Arjuna.He'll also become commander of Kaurava army after Karna's death and will be killed by Yudishtra on 18th day.

Karna will spare the life of yudishtra twice on the day of death and also life of shadeva(or Nakula?) because of his promise to Kunti.

Karna will ask Krishna to stop goading Arjuna to send an arrow when he is lifting chariot saying it is against dharma.Krishna will laugh at this and ask Karna where was his dharma when Draupadi was disrobed(it was karna's idea), where was his dharma when he cut off the bow string of abhimanyu from behind, and what was he doing when duryodhana was scheming all the evil plans.Karna will know what Krishna said was true!

Dronacharya and karna will use brahmaastras on arjuna.when the war is over, Krishna will ask Arjuna to get down from the chariot(usually practice is for the charioteer to get down first).Arjuna will obey Krishna.Then , Lord Hanuman in the flagmast of Arjuna chariot will go away and Krisna will step down later. The minute Kirshna septs down, the chariot will brealk into pieces.Krishna will tell Arjuna that brahmaastras of Drona and Karna will hit Arjuna's chariot but because of his prescence and hanuman, their effect will be delayed.Once, they intend to leave the chariot for ever, it'll get destroyed.

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Originally Posted by viggop

Dronacharya and karna will use brahmaastras on arjuna.when the war is over, Krishna will ask Arjuna to get down from the chariot(usually practice is for the charioteer to get down first).Arjuna will obey Krishna.Then , Lord Hanuman in the flagmast of Arjuna chariot will go away and Krisna will step down later. The minute Kirshna septs down, the chariot will brealk into pieces.Krishna will tell Arjuna that brahmaastras of Drona and Karna will hit Arjuna's chariot but because of his prescence and hanuman, their effect will be delayed.Once, they intend to leave the chariot for ever, it'll get destroyed.

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Can you pls give the reference …

Drona and Bheeshma well before the war commenced will clearly tell Duryodhana that they cannot kill the pandavas as their love and admiration is equal to both Gauravas and Pandavas…however they will fight to the end and destroy the pandava army and will fulfill their duties…
I still have a doubt whether Drona could have used Bramastra as everyone knows that it would have killed Arjuna instantly…
But Drona was about to use it and that time only Krishna intervened and his ploy worked out ( uttering the falsehood )

I also doubt whether Karna had used Brahmastra… as at the time of chanting the mantra he would have lost memory as that was the curse by Parasurama ( oops… Parasurama was everwhere !! ) his Guru….that at the most appropriate moment in his life, Karna will forget to remember those divine astras ( including Bramastra )..

However all the powerful arrows of Bheeshma, Drona and Karna all … the Chariot will be absorbing due to the effect of Hanuman and Krishna’s presence….

Also, Krishna will ask Arjuna to come out of the chariot to teach him a lesson that it was not Arjuna who won the war but the presence of Krishna and the omnipresence of Hanuman which saved him from the likes of Bheeshma , Drona and Karna’s divine weapons….

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji

I also doubt whether Karna had used Brahmastra… as at the time of chanting the mantra he would have lost memory as that was the curse by Parasurama ( oops… Parasurama was everwhere !! ) his Guru….that at the most appropriate moment in his life, Karna will forget to remember those divine astras ( including Bramastra )..

However all the powerful arrows of Bheeshma, Drona and Karna all … the Chariot will be absorbing due to the effect of Hanuman and Krishna’s presence….

Also, Krishna will ask Arjuna to come out of the chariot to teach him a lesson that it was not Arjuna who won the war but the presence of Krishna and the omnipresence of Hanuman which saved him from the likes of Bheeshma , Drona and Karna’s divine weapons….

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Dear Balaji anNe

No Karna never used his bhramastra as he forgot the mantar chanting due to curse inflicted upon him by Parasuram.

as far as the chariot incident, is if I am correct, Lord Krishna will take Partha to remote place and will ask him to step down from te Chariot, as soon as both of them step down the chariot will blow up, Lord Krishna would say, it was the greatest Hanumanji who was protecting him by sitting as a Silai on the ratham from karna, huge blow for Partha's ego :D [/tscii]

As far as I know only Arjuna and Aswthma used Bhramastra when they were fighting alone!

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Originally Posted by Raghu

As far as I know only Arjuna and Aswthma used Bhramastra when they were fighting alone!

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Dear Raghu,

Ashwathama I think used Bramasiras.... not Bramastra...
Which was countered by Arjuna... this will take place after the war is over... and when the pandavas will be search for Aswathama...
He will come out of the hiding from Sage Vyasar's hermitage... On seeing the pandavas, he will pull out a grass and will chant the mantra which will become bramasiras... which Arjuna also will fire a counter....
WHile Arjuna, under the instructions from Krisha will withdraw it..Aswhathama will change the direction towards the womb of the wife of Abimanyu...intentions being that the entire pandava race should not have any successor..
However the Divine Grace of Krishna will protect the womb and Parikshit will be born....

Dear Balaji AnNe,

Yes the incident that you have described above is correct, but I still, I think, they both used Bhramstra, pls pardon my ignorance if I am wrong, perhaps Viggop or Sudhama Sir can clarify this