it may or may not be an india only thingy - but do you agree that we are better off not squabbling with each other ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
it may or may not be an india only thingy - but do you agree that we are better off not squabbling with each other ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
put any two ranodm guys - you will have squabbling...Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
doesnt have to be indians or non indians - with indians we are a vocal lot - westerners are the quieter kind - but trust me, i have seen a fair deal of stomach burning, camp building, pulling down other guys etc.,
enna sirichcha maadhiriye moonjiya vechukuvaanga in office environment - plus we dont have 'group' x guys take a pickup truck and mow down random 'black guys' - as long as that is that it is fine.
amaam namakkulla sandai vendam. All Silent.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
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Originally Posted by irir123
ayyagO!
Thereendeth whatever little isaippayaNam the likes of me have.
Please Come Back to the Topic
So....Let people guess and list the song serialwise, as it may appear in the forthcoming film...Also, can guess the storyline of film w.r.t. these songs :think:Quote:
Originally Posted by K
Kadavule, padam varadhukku munneye 200 pakkam aanadhunnaa ipadiyellam problem varumo!!! :confused2:
One last point on what irir123 said. Even if I agree to most everything he said, I cannot agree to the thiraipaadal ban. For God's sake, please don't ask that site to be banned. Infact I am ready to start a petition calling for the powers to be to ensure that thiraipaadal is not banned. I would personally ban the person who bans thiraipaadal.
Do we think ANY company will come up with CD releases of the late 90s songs of Raja? All we get is horrible quality from Agi. And who even knows which of the movie songs of 70s of Raja exixts. While I buy _every_ Raja CD that is released and definitely encourage all folks to buy originals, I still maintain that thiraipaadal is doing a HUGE service to everyone concerned: Music Director, Producer, Director etc. Otherwise I wouldn't have gone searching for music of movies like Kaadha Jaadhi. Anyway this is a huge topic, which requires a blog post on its own.
So one last time, please see to it that thiraipaadal is not banned.
you have donated to thiraipaadal.com right? You have all rights to ask a reason if they go down! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
And, why don't thiraipaadal.com put ads and make money, and take its own share and give the rest to Musicians?!? Raaga.com is doing so! Its paying the musicians, like FM channels, TV Music channels.
IMHO, I think we are unnecessarily discussing in favor of producers, MD, music company etc. They very well know about mp3 floating in the net. Inspite of that, they get audio rights and market the music. Which, to me, means that they still are making a huge profit. If they want to stop mp3s, let them do it, rather than we act like foot soldiers (for free) for their cause which will make them even more rich.
It doesn't necessarily mean that you buy original CD, you get a good quality. Ex - Agi, and some CD's of Echo. Where is the ethics in that by the audio companies?
As Suresh said, thiraipaadal is doing a huge service to unearth some golden songs of IR. Let's respect them.
Good suggestion. Good analogy to FM/TV music channels . They should also look into the Spotify model.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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Originally Posted by Sureshs65
thiraipaadal.com matter is something i heard from someone else - am not sure how valid that news is - however, if it is indeed true, i suspect this is something similar to how IR came down hard on oriental/echo releases using a court order
and whats exactly wrong with AGI music quality ? i thought those guys have already sold some stuff to spotify !
after buying the ITUNES version of NEPV - at last managed to convert into WAV files - just for the sake of complaining, why is it that the groovy bass line of IR from the 80s is missing ?!
I heard that Raja has LP rips of his music albums, exploring legal rights etc...
eventually wants to sell his albums in his own web site for fans to buy them.
i heard thiraipaadal ask people to donate and allows people to save music illegally from browser cache, which indeed violates copyrightQuote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Pesama Raajavin Isaiyai "Nattudamai" Aakidalaama?
Nationalize Raja's Music?
The Ad which is being aired for the Audio Launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxmGj_QkSEk
Nethu dhaan I was thinkijg of nattudamai of ir's music. But karthik raja paavamyaa - konjam sambadhichukattum appuram naattudamai aakaalaam :)
so the thinking is on, Hope this will happen soon. Valluvar maathiri, Kambar maathiri, Thyagarajar mathiri ,Ilayarajavin Isaiyum namadhu pokisham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Lovely show! :clap: Awesome unwind session for the weekend!
The different sections were nicely thought about, my favorite still being the Raaja unplugged section towards the beginning of the show.
The crowd noise during the symphony portion came through loud enough even in the TV telecast. paasakkaara payaga ya!
The sound engineering was poor at the audi I was told; wasn't much different on TV. The guitar levels were terribly feeble for the whole show. :mad:
gautam :clap: :rasigandanee:
raasa :clap:
(Some :lol: moments -
jeeva "bro"-ing GVM
the mokkai q&a session after each ad-break starting with the question "I know you're a theevira Raaja veriyan and GVM fan, can you..."
Surya's ulundhukumbuding at almost every stage show!
GVM suddenly ponging 'sexy!' after one of the dir-fav songs)
A real gooseflesh raising experience to hear the western orchestra perform the instrumental medley of Raja starting from MurattukaaLai "endha poovilum vaasam undu" till "sundhari kannAl oru seidhi"
yes, yes. indha projectai konjam expand paNNinA seththa thEvala. (Just use existing melodies and expand them into symphony). idhai seyya vazhi seyya endha kombanukku thembiriukku?
May be Gautam...avaraiththAN ippOthaikku nambaNum :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
And did anyone notice the original sainthu sainthu tune in IR's voice? Much faster than the final tune!
ada ponga saar - indha padam flop AnA pOdhum. All the clout Gautam has w.r.t employing IR will vanish. Someone was asking if Gautam can get IR for his movie, why cannot Kamal? The point is Kamal has already done that, and although Viru was a decent success, the Hey Ram debacle looms large. The Symphonic excesses(from money bags POV) in that film is enough to make any producer wary of Kamal-IR combination.
indha padam mattum flop(or even average) Agattum - Gautamukkum adhE gadhi (adhOgadhi) dhAn. He has to run back to Kaaris to recoup his position.
Am I right in thinking that only IR gives a true 'concert' experience among all active composers today.
Have discussed this before with Sureshs65 and recently on the passing with Rajasaranam in Twitter. If Organic composition dies and those artists who played in the orchestra, each one of them, turning obsolete replaced by plugin tools and play toys to make music, it just saddens one.
Later part of KV's post is so so true..
http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...l=1#post953460
I was blown away by the orchestra and it was an absolute treat to watch their expression of joy while playing the notes. They obviously seemed very proud to be playing such intense, intricate and varied compositions of Raaja.
I was so looking forward to Ramya performing the "Satru munbu" number (my favorite in the album) live, and I must say I was a bit disappointed. She had great difficulty reaching the high notes in the live show, which sounded so effortless in the recorded album. The overall energy was also missing in this live version, but other than that no complaints.
Jeeva calling Goutam as 'bro' so frequently was unintentionally very funny. Naani came across as genuine. It was also interesting to note that Goutam completely depended on Nani's knowledge of Telugu cinema in picking the relevant IR songs! (I wonder why they picked the opening lines of a Ninne Pelladata number, which was composed by Sandeep Chowta and not IR)?
Every concert has a low moment, and in this concert (not surprisingly IMO) it was Yuvan's rendition of "peNgaL endRAl poiyyA" number. Even a bathroom singer would have sung it better. I don't understand how such mediocre singing could be tolerated in a programme of this nature? Completely off-key, no ability to carry a tune, no proper pronunciation.. the list is endless. Are talented singers no longer a necessity for great composers and film makers and (listeners)?
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yov yuvan singing pudikkalainna kaatha pothikkongayya ellorum. Sainthu Sainthu was great to listen on live
BTW I missed the show on TV :sad: and hoping that Jaya TV will retelecast or youtubeee saranam
I don't feel shameless to say that I cried at 0:47...!Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
Absolutely, nobody writes music for a true orchestra. NEPV follows the grammar of a live, un-amplified orchestral music - when soft instruments are played alone without the sound of other instruments overwhelming it. In other words, you can take the songs and play live acoustically (without amplification) and it will come out fine (no need of mixing instruments at different volume levels).Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
BTW, watching the audience react to the orchestra- I think IR needs to give an intro to how to listen to a real concert. Just listening to the main tune is not enough. That is a trivial use case of an orchestra. You need to listen to the parts being played all the instrumentalists. Some of them are true counter melodies which sometimes can stand by themselves.
Its a pity in that noise the audience missed out on so much of the music being played. I guess, it still happens to all his film songs - appreciation for the tune, but no appreciation for the harmony,basslines, interludes etc.
Orchestral tribute
:clap:
:Pullarips:
nanRi Kameshratnam, for the youtube!
Absolutely right k_g. It will not just sadden me, deeply disappointed, may be that's when I will stop listening to any recent music. Glad that these viruses are often killed, till Raja is around. In that sense am very happy. Definitely I see a big big vacuum to Indian music after him.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
Thanks for sharing KV's post, how did I miss that one? What a post that one! KV superb. :clap: :notworthy: Every word should be carved in gold.
Thanks Kamesh for the youtube link. Janma saabalyam! :notworthy: Unfortunately could not watch the Jaya TV telecast today. BTW, what is the instrument played @2:07?
The show which started with a very promising orchestra performance, faded off in to a boring and unnecessary elongated one.
Too much of anything loses charm. The directors group ( most of them with no other job now ) praising Raja - Sorry...we have seen it already..Gowtham, why did you repeat the same Dhoni way ? It would have been great to have eminent musicians sitting there and commenting about Raja.
Kudos to the Hungarian orchestra for bearing athe 5 hr long boring affair .
Watched the NEPV audio launch in Jaya tv, it's a totally priceless, matchless experience :notworthy: To see the songs performed live and to experience IR's tunes performed by the london orchestra is more than a dream come true. Hats off to Gautham for organizing such an event :notworthy:, the way the whole event was structured, shows his taste and his true love for IR's music :clap: :clap: :clap:
The passion with which the orchestra was playing the various songs was truly heart warming, they seemed to thoroughly enjoy the music they were performing. Audio was not perfect, esp the guitar sounded feeble in Mudhal Murai song. Karthik did a wonderful rendering NEPV songs and the on demand ones and Ramya's performance was as good as the original recording in both Saindhu Saindhu & Satru Munbu. Sunitha Sarathy was OK and I felt it was not in the same league as Sunidhi's rendition. Overall a great show and those who experienced it live are really blessed souls.
BTW, KV wonderful post about orchestral music, something which needs to be carved on stone :thumbsup: and thanks to KG for posting it here.
san_K - Yuvar aanar fans mannikkavum, my 6 year old really closed her ears when he sang it on stage yesterday. She likes the tune - and does do a decent impression of the song. The recorded version she kind of really liked and sings with involvement (I have caught her singing it to herself when she is not noticing that I am noticing). (This and mudhal muRai - she sings it as "Nee dhaane endhan sondha bandham"*, **)But yesterday's version, even she could spot the deficiencies. Feel, youththu connect ellAm ok - but there is a line to be drawn some where. When that line is crossed, even I will start sounding like a stritt officer like baroque, thumburu etc :)Quote:
Originally Posted by San_K
* - Therein lies a tale. During the 80s, I used to sing the Ninaivellam Nithya song as "nee dhaane endhan sondha bandham, pudhui raaja vaazhkkai". It was well into the 1990s before I realized it was "Nee Dhaane Endhan Pon Vasantham". :oops: Amazing how this carried over in the genes!
** _ Come to think of it, sondha bandham quite fits the lyrics no, anyway? (in the original movie, wherein the lovers forsake their families and therefore are literally the only sondha bandham to each other)
KV - :clap:.
Git - didnt i tell you ? This boy is a varungaala internet thooN(if not already)
Plum,
LOL at 'sondha bandham' :) BTW, seeing this trend in the third gen now. If you consider us the first gen and those who grew up with Rahman as second gen, then our kids are third gen. I have currently heard from atleast a dozen friends that their kids like NEPV. Mostly the rock based songs. Rajasaranam on twitter said that his son when asked which song he likes best says he likes all of them. And he also added that when he tried playing 'ilaya nila', his son asked him to stop it and play the NEPV songs :lol: We seem to be building a new generation of Raja fans.
KV,
Superb post. Very well articulated.
K_G,
True. The problem is that in most cases it has shifted from a 'musical experience' to just 'experience'. So many stage shows and singing shows on TV assume that the audience wants some 'experience' which involves music but not a 'musical experience'. For example, the Indian Idol (on Sony) started quite well in its first season with the focus mostly on music but then degenrated into some sort of X-factor stuff where you need to look good, dance good, cry good and what not. Unfortunate. As KV says, there is a definite musical experience to be had when a live orchestra play.
I was one among the fortunate souls who attended both Endrendrum Raja and the NEPV audio release functions. And needless to say I saw both programs again on Jaya tv too. The recording quality of the Endrendrum Raja is excellent and almost all instruments coulb distinctly be heard in the TV telecast just like the live performance. But the NEPV audio release telecast is a letdown as the quality is not up to the mark and some instruments could hardly be heard and kind of sounded feeble. After watching this I played the recoded version of Endrendrm Raja and the difference is noticeable.
It is a shame that the channels dont pay much attention to the recoding quality.