Maestro Ilaiyaraja New Albums 2011 - Hello Jaihind / Sri Rama Rajyam

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Originally Posted by par

Charu doesn't like Raaja's music and calls it trash. Some of us don't like Charu's opinion and call him crazy.
Both cases are at the same level in my mind. Throwing mud :)

Why should we go that low?

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I've read Charu's 0 Degree, Kalagam kAdhal Isai and rate him one of the ebst post modern writers in Tamizh. I Specifically call him a 'Crazy Dog' ( if that may apply had I written it earlier or else now) only due to his arrogant blinded bad mouthing about Raaja. If he has a problem in Raaja calling Gaddar, Bob Dylan and the Revolutionary musicians as Garbage ( That was not the case in reality IMHO. Reading the Article by S Anand will clearly indicate Anand's Agenda and how he had bullied Raaja to get those words from his mouth) He should've responded to that, not Trashing Raaja's music. My gut feeling is Charu Loves every part of Raaja's music and has created a pit for himself in the wrong notion that Raaja is against revolutionary music (Oh...Let him listen to Manitha Manitha from KSMS and Poraada..da from ALaiosai ) and living in that pit. Let him come out of that pit first, Only after that we can consider him to be a good human being. Till then he will be a errr... watever... :P

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

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Originally Posted by par

Charu doesn't like Raaja's music and calls it trash. Some of us don't like Charu's opinion and call him crazy.
Both cases are at the same level in my mind. Throwing mud :)

Why should we go that low?

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I've read Charu's 0 Degree, Kalagam kAdhal Isai and rate him one of the ebst post modern writers in Tamizh. I Specifically call him a 'Crazy Dog' ( if that may apply had I written it earlier or else now) only due to his arrogant blinded bad mouthing about Raaja. If he has a problem in Raaja calling Gaddar, Bob Dylan and the Revolutionary musicians as Garbage ( That was not the case in reality IMHO. Reading the Article by S Anand will clearly indicate Anand's Agenda and how he had bullied Raaja to get those words from his mouth) He should've responded to that, not Trashing Raaja's music. My gut feeling is Charu Loves every part of Raaja's music and has created a pit for himself in the wrong notion that Raaja is against revolutionary music (Oh...Let him listen to Manitha Manitha from KSMS and Poraada..da from ALaiosai ) and living in that pit. Let him come out of that pit first, Only after that we can consider him to be a good human being. Till then he will be a errr... watever... :P

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one help Sir KSMS Song theriyum, Poraada daa from Alaiosai? unga kitta iruntha pls share. Thank u.

எல்லாம் சரி, அவர் எப்போ எழுதுவதையே நிறுத்தப்போறார் (அல்லது குறைந்த பட்சம் 'பா பற்றி தான் சவால் விட்டு எழுதினது தப்பு'ன்னு பகிரங்க மன்னிப்பு கேக்கப்போறார்) ?

சும்மா இந்த நந்தலாலா உலகத்தரம் பம்மாத்தெல்லாம் வேலைக்காவாது!

சவால் விடப்டாது, விட்டா சொன்னதை செய்யணும் :-) செஞ்சதுக்குக்கப்புறம் அந்த ஆளை எந்தக்கணக்கில் சேர்ப்பதுன்னு பேசலாம்!

after 4 days of leave came back to hub and read around 10 pages. oops.. so much of discussion on a 'burnt out composer' :lol2:

read someone wrote 'Raaja is weak in vocal Harmony' (I think its shankar, if not sorry) or something like that in response to irir's irritation towards jangu chaks and jingu chaks. Hmmmm... the person needs a proper initiation and education in regards to what vocal harmony is and where do songs like Thamtha theemtha, eriyile elantha maram, thendral vanthu... and many other songs with rich vocal harmony layers are present.
irir
Getting back to 'jingu chak's and jangu chak's the discussion on which irir has put to rest. my point is these things has to accepted by your american friends in our socio-cultural aspects not theirs. Doesnt these sound fun to you at all! high time we shed our prejudicies and try to see how Raaja approaches music in line with the film, characters and mood.

shankar,

How to enjoy the specific songs! Certainly these things cannot be explained since it is purely subjective and personal experience only. There are no proven scientific methods to make one love something or not. It just happens. Being a fan doesnt necesserily demand you to expect songs of high calibre only. Understanding Raaja is not composing 'albums' but 'Soundtracks' will be the first step towards this direction.

'Karuga mani Karuga Mani' was the best hit song of the movie ( To the extent of the movie's reach) and was demanded/played often in the Channels during the movies short-run. To trash it needs a mindset which keeps us in a high pedestal and I hope you have got it already. So Please enjoy the songs which gives you that elation and dont try to understand/listen to songs which are a delight to common man, it needs a higher level opening up in the mind to lap-up the beauty of other worlds.

Its a different World for us Raaja Fans here, who hail his every song as the best, that Specific Situation, that specific movie has got. The songs falls in place perfectly as does his BGM's. So we have no qualms when the hero goes 'Sullikuppam Ganapathikku Soorathenga udaikerendaa' or 'Adiyushas Sandhya poothathivide' because that is what the situation demanded from Raaja as a composer and he has delivered his 100%. If you have problems you can trash the Film Director for creating such uninspiring situations in the movie instead of Raaja who has given his heart and soul to understand the vision of the Director and perform in full.

<<<will continue later...>>>

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Originally Posted by app_engine

எல்லாம் சரி, அவர் எப்போ எழுதுவதையே நிறுத்தப்போறார் (அல்லது குறைந்த பட்சம் 'பா பற்றி தான் சவால் விட்டு எழுதினது தப்பு'ன்னு பகிரங்க மன்னிப்பு கேக்கப்போறார்) ?

சும்மா இந்த நந்தலாலா உலகத்தரம் பம்மாத்தெல்லாம் வேலைக்காவாது!

சவால் விடப்டாது, விட்டா சொன்னதை செய்யணும் :-) செஞ்சதுக்குக்கப்புறம் அந்த ஆளை எந்தக்கணக்கில் சேர்ப்பதுன்னு பேசலாம்!

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அதானே இந்த கூத்துல அந்த சவாலை மறந்துடாதீங்கப்பா

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Originally Posted by krish244

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Originally Posted by Punnaimaran

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Originally Posted by app_engine

One +ve development with the recent IR albums (even the vAlmeeki / azhagar malai kind) is the glorious return of bass and similar return of percussion sounds :-)

mudi - mudi sounds are like agni* days when IR was the authority in that area. Both the prelude and interlude have mirattal guitar sounds that he reserves only for select numbers nowadays.

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:2thumbsup: Well said, I too felt the same.

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Listen to "Chinna Polike" song, especially when kunal and sunidhi repeat the pallavi/anupallavi portions after the first charanam. I loved it.

thanks,

Krishnan

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Thanx Krish for pointing out the beauty. You made my day.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

IR's famelight is so powerful that we are / were thinking that he is the only one in whole of TN to make fun on raja(leave alone the 'few' ARR fans)

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//eh? :confused2: .......puriyala sakala - enna solreenga? //

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maddy, dont mistake, raja rahman diskassen sila samayam sandaila mudiyumpothu sila ARR fans making fun of IR and IR fans making fun of ARR sagajam illayaa?(nevermind who starts fisrt) i meant that and not anyone specifically

freeya vidunga :)

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

IR's famelight is so powerful that we are / were thinking that he is the only one in whole of TN to make fun on raja(leave alone the 'few' ARR fans)

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//eh? :confused2: .......puriyala sakala - enna solreenga? //

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maddy, dont mistake, raja rahman diskassen sila samayam sandaila mudiyumpothu sila ARR fans making fun of IR and IR fans making fun of ARR sagajam illayaa?(nevermind who starts fisrt) i meant that and not anyone specifically

freeya vidunga :)

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illa illa - idhula enna irukku :) .......its true, there is disrespect in both camps but that is pretty harmless compared to the broad and concerted malignation campaign of charu on IR......charu blabberings are unparalleled.........

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Originally Posted by rajasaranam

after 4 days of leave came back to hub and read around 10 pages. oops.. so much of discussion on a 'burnt out composer' :lol2:

irir
Getting back to 'jingu chak's and jangu chak's the discussion on which irir has put to rest. my point is these things has to accepted by your american friends in our socio-cultural aspects not theirs.

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hello - not just american friends, as i have explained earlier, there is nothing like an 'american' - its a melting pot here - if you are using words in a song meaning lyrics they better have some meaning if you want serious music fans to appreciate music - am not talking abt the britney spears, shakira music lovers - am talking abt the country, folk music lovers who also love johnny cash, phil collins et al - if you dont want lyrics, then fine, dont compose music for lyrics, just stick to instrumentals - you may or may not be happy with it - am fine with it and so will be lovers of dire straits, or, pink floyd, who care not much abt lyrics, but only abt musical creativity

while PR is complete from both lyrical/musical point of view, an album like suryakanthi is spoilt royally by these 'mumbo-jumbo' crap - its like making a nice 'javvarisi paayasam' and adding some iron filings into it ! doesnt make sense to me

btw, the same american friends can appreciate and relate to "megam karukkuthu, mazhai vara paarkudhu' for its 'overall innocence and rustic beauty' - this song did not have the 'dangu dingu' nonsense

fyki, am not claiming adding legitimacy to my claims by referring to 'american' friends - long before i even set out overseas, way back in the 1980s, i felt odd/disgusted by IR's use of such nonsense! have u listened to 'ku ku ku kokila raave' from sitara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GoZuUdh-cQ) ? such a beautiful tune (complete in its pallavi and charanam et al) is totally spoilt by the 'pee pee' (again!) in the second interlude! i simply dont see any connection between the quality of the sublime tune and this anything-but-sublime nonsense!

once again am telling you, i dont become an IR hater and a cynic just because i point out these definite drawbacks - am yet to see a truely accomplished composer in the international/national scene, resorting to such nonsense and fans still legitimising it relating it to cultural/social factors - an 'aylesa' or a 'yelo yelo' chrous, by fishermen/farmers or 'lali lali' as a lullaby is standard, have heard it myself, but to use every other 'word' tat comes to ones imagination n use it in songs and somehow give it a social/cultural relevance to the same sounds naive - i dont care if any other composer does it or not, i only care abt IR using it and cant accept the same after 880 films into his career!

i didnt want to post this, but cudnt resist after the repeated harking abt social and cultural relevance without substantiating the same with real examples

Todays Malayala Manorama carries a statement issued by Ayya on Pazhassi Raja lyrics controversy.Ayya says he never said anything against ONV and he is nothing before the great poet.He further adds that when Hariharan narrated the song situation he had a particular idea on the shaping up of the song.When he got the lyrics he had to keep it aside and come with a new one which became "Aadhi usha sandhya".Manorama is gutter press personified.After Paa music got released there was a lengthy article in the lines of "how dare Ilaiyaraaja criticize when he can only rehash his old tunes for a movie starring amitabh himself".It was their reports that lead usually very silent people like Ouseppachan and Hariharan declare war on Ayya