Kamal-Ilayaraaja-Singeetham Rao-MUMBAI EXPRESS

Silver Jubilee'a?

Oru vayasaana heroine. Iruntha item number'um cut. Cassette'ae innum release aagalai. Intha latchanathule Jazz vera!

Look at Sachin on the other hand. Cassette released on time. Devi Sri Prasad still uses Jhankar beats. Oru dappanaguthu. Vijay has sung one song. Bipaasha has done an item number. I hear another American from Texas has done another item no.

To top it all, we have chandramukhi - Rajini after so many years. Ithu pothaathu'nu 2 heroines - namma Jyothika and soon to be 'namma' Nayanthara! Vidyasaagarum etho pottu koduthirukkiraaru!

Ippo neengalae sollunga, namma saathi sanam, ethae poi paarpaanga?
:D

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Originally Posted by 12bums

Oru vayasaana heroine.

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Manishavukku 1 vayasuthaanaa ? wow ... news to me ;)

NagaS

Yelae Nee Yetippo
ya only this song is good, good job done by IlayaRasa

After many multiple listening and looking at IRs work in 70s and 80s and even in 90s, i am saying that it is not the best of IR. Any other could have composed this. What we expect from IR is a surprise like "oliyilae therivadhu vedanaiya" or "nirpanavae nadapanavae" or the likewise.

some one posted here that the songs are good, but someone else could have done that. I am not sure about someone else part, but this is not what IR should do going forward.

Someone else said IR has to learn when to say no. I agree.

I am a die hard IR fan, but I have to change my mind w.r.t MX. Sorry...

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Originally Posted by kbee

After many multiple listening and looking at IRs work in 70s and 80s and even in 90s, i am saying that it is not the best of IR. Any other could have composed this. What we expect from IR is a surprise like "oliyilae therivadhu vedanaiya" or "nirpanavae nadapanavae" or the likewise.

some one posted here that the songs are good, but someone else could have done that. I am not sure about someone else part, but this is not what IR should do going forward.

Someone else said IR has to learn when to say no. I agree.

I am a die hard IR fan, but I have to change my mind w.r.t MX. Sorry...

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After many multiple listening and looking at IRs work in 70s and 80s and even in 90s, i am saying that it ONE OF THE BEST of IR.

some one posted here that the songs are good, YES THEY ARE CORRECT ON THEIR PART

I am also a die hard IR fan, and this music has increased my respect towards IR!!!

stvasan i agree that some ppl like this (even now i like it), but i cant say that this is one of the best from IR. Even Konji Pesalam/Karagattakari is better than this. this is my personal view.

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Originally Posted by balaji

Teja

Somehow I thought you were associated with that site?
Whenever good words of IR is written on that site, it somehow reflected similar views you write here on TFM PAGE..
May be that is kumundi??

Bala

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Yes, that's me. :) But my contribution is limited only to the music section, more specifically on IR.
However, MX review on that site is'nt by me. It's by another HCIRF.

Some of the discussions here funny downright to arrogant and ignorance.
This is defintively a fresh breather from IR
The strong and weak point is the music that depends on whats your perception . Here we have a album with lot of good jazz stuff on it
and some people are comparing some weak formula album to this.
I wish Mr.Kamal should have 2 more song peiece melody or fast number like poo puthadu instead of situtaional music no, that can be only enjoyed in theaters.

How many tamil song in recent times had such wonderful live percussion like poopudathu song
some excellent piano interludes,counterpoints ,
for example throught the song piano and sax beautifully in duet with singers harmonically there are so many nicely constructed peices like this.


Today tamil film music is in regression, even Wizard ARR is very reluctant to score for tamil, in a recent interview he said tamil film producers wants only 6/6 numbers (all kutthu songs) and no time is given for composer to come up with decent stuff.

"The music of the film is excellent" Kamal

"The music provided by Ilayaraja is just something one cannot talk about but has to experience. We just told him the situations and he came up with music that enhanced the scenes. We planned for a song less film but when we saw the end product we were happy that we added those songs to the film." Singeetham

http://www.idlebrain.com/news/functi...aiexpress.html

Kamal and IR have good understanding, i can see that in who gets the focus. In Hey Ram, most of the songs (boring ones, except for the title song and maybe one more) were background types, but Kamal got carried away with philosophy behind his version of Gandhi, so the movie flopped. Fact versus fiction, fact can be told in 3 hours, imagination of facts need to be to the point, that is not biography or a titanic or benhur, which was to illustrate the magnitued of titanic or the christ.

kamal & IR knows music becomes key if it is the main marketing tool and does not delay or distract from the story telling. Plus, Kamal knows where the focus is, either the story or the music. Kamal does not depend on other success factors for his movies, including music. It is Kamal' "ideas" all the way, and IR is a genius who tells directors whether a song is required or not, and let the right person take the focus.

IR hence did not put effort for ME songs. But, he brought Jazz entirely because I suspect the audience and the mood of the movie needed that purely. Who else is good in giving Jazz at the shortest possible notice and in a coffee break? Only IR. yes SEL, Rahman, Jayaraj all can probably do a more trendy stuff, but they will take a lunar year to complete for a light-hearted film.

Anywya, I think ME songs are the some of the most irritating and stupid songs of all time from IR, but ME is supposed to be a songless film itself, so why waste good tunes on a movie that is story based?

To heighten the hype of supremely crafted films Kamal brings IR only for bakcground score and mood. IR gave an urbane mood for this movie, it is clear the movie is targeted to upscale market of zippies.

A composer knows his stuff, what element to use for what movies:
Is it carnatic, is it western, is it jazz, is it a combination or is it folk?

ME is jazz, and I also found IR is fooling, with of course Kamal' cooperation, the entire public. What hungarian orchestra and all that crap? I don't think so, thought I suspect for one Oram Ottipo there is some brass works, that is probably not possible to get that level of ambience in Indian recordings, I am not sure . Oram Ottipo is the only one reasonably well constructed number.

But i found that IR has copied quite a few phrases from some favorite western recordings: There is a franck pourcel drum bit and phrases (a hello dolly and other movie hits) in the "main theme 1" is a parody on the pink panther, mission impossible themes maybe suitable for the comedy theme of ME.

The other songs are indications that IR was practicing some jazz sounds for some future private productions or for James Bond assignment, who knows. Again, the limerick style of pallavi's (maybe a thank you to Deva for carrying on the stupid tradition IR set late in his career) plainly tells the audience, hey you guys can enjoy the movie without any songs.

Coming to more tributes and inspriation, IR has used chorus lines similar to Harris Jayaraj, why even the Oram nee ettipo song is more or less seems like a tribute to Rahman for his fantastic song in Ratchagan, Kalloori Salai We Want Power, etc...

Basically, the best IR gave in the last 5 or even 7 years was 2 or 3 songs in Sambu (because Telugu audiences still die for his music, unlike in TN and other places where Rahman style is standard now. )

ME songs were probably composed in the evening tea break, and absolutely it is better IR just don't work with Kamal or vice versa if it is a songless film, that is my opinion.

Kamal can do without IR, Rajini is doing without IR. But, this movie seemed to require most sophisticated sounds (only Jazz provides that) so Kamal may have wanted IR to just play something for background.

IR is the only composer of comedy songs (eg: Engengum Kandenama or Barla Barla or Kettelay Angey or Aha Vanthirichu so many man) , and apparently Kamal did not utilize IR for even one comic song, though it is a comedy movie, but you can see from the theme 1 music, IR has given comic sounds and phrases.

Overall, IR will not come up with good songs for Tamil movies anymore as I think he doesn't want to be in the Jayaraj, Rahman and his sons crowd of listeners. Simply, an embarrassment to be put in the league of kid composers, i mean what is the point to prove, that you are better than the kids, eh and that kids will understand your level of sophistication?

I don't know about Mal, but Telugu and Kannada IR gives intelligent and well constructed compositions, only for Tamil and some recent Mal songs he give ME like stupid compositions for listeners who listen to Jesse Gift, Jayaraj and other youngsters. But, I think ME will do well unless Kamal has made the movie longer bs like Aalavandan (which was really good actually) or Hey Ram (which was too personal and philosophical) I wquld say songs will make this film longer and irritate the audience and slow down the pace or distract from the mood.

Cut the philosophy, worthless songs and make entertainment, that is the key. This generation, nobody wants to listen to purposeles songs or philosophy, they want slick movies and computer games, man.