IR's New albums - Ver 2008/2009

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I would be glad if IR, for once, speaks openly abt ARR, thus putting an end to the perceived (dont know if it is true) rivalry. i havent seen IR talking abt ARR and when he did, in early 90s, it was unnecessary and derogatory, which i didnt like. Hope there is more of inclusive attitude, so that atleast fans can stop fighting, if that happens.

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Please dont put all the responsiblity on IR alone, for that matter both of them didnt come out open with their opinion on each other until recently.

And i have never heard about so called 'derogatory' comment of IR on ARR. Where as i do remember ARR sayin that he never listened IR music in an early 90' intw.Recently he disputed it though saying 'to not getting inspired by IR music only i dont listen to IR music'.

On the other hand IR hailed ARR as the apt person for all these praise and awrds as he is the hard working guy in his series in a tamil daily.

So both of them have the mutual respect, it's only the fans who are thinkning other ways.

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

The program is going to be telecasted by SUN TV !

Thalaiva..., medaila edhaavadhu thathuvam pesaama irunga...Yerkkanave "garvi"-nu oru paer vaangi vachirukeenga.........

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Yes Raaja, the Musical Genius.. this is a request from ur fans sir..please dont come and say thatuvams..

I remember he coming to malipoovu function and saying " Hey..those who say u r doing new things in music..what r u doing....there are 7 swarams and what are we are doing is we making combinations and fooling around"..

He added: Did u find anything new ......I wish he doesnt say anything like that

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Originally Posted by kameshratnam

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

The program is going to be telecasted by SUN TV !

Thalaiva..., medaila edhaavadhu thathuvam pesaama irunga...Yerkkanave "garvi"-nu oru paer vaangi vachirukeenga.........

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Yes Raaja, the Musical Genius.. this is a request from ur fans sir..please dont come and say thatuvams..

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What got me towards raaja sir is music... but why I am thinking of him almost everyday is because of the sort of personality he is...

Do you think he wishes for an award... he wants to transcend life... it is comprehensible through the acts and roles he is indulged in nowadays... lyrics of "pitchai paathiram" are written by him... "பிண்டமென்னும் எலும்பொடு சதை நரம்புதிரமும் அடங்கிய உடம்பு எனும்" dont u think of the personality behind these words... He is a sort of an accomplished soul... he has his own world... horizon in which he dwells into... Let he remain in peace.... don't go gaga over his attitude towards life... by his very nature his all sayings have some sort of philosophies in them... if u think or the world thinks he is garvi let them be... I think it is his attitude towards life that brought the best out of him... the melody... the harmony... the arrangements... the soothing BGMS... the orchestration.... everything is his life and he is in his simple best...

If an award eludes him should he tamper his life with the thought... His thoughts are beyond limits and you as a fan should understand the sort of personality he is... His world is unique and so he is not good at marketing himself.... it is also because he is thinking beyond his self... Its the maturity that we should develop that... a global musician has got a global award... it is no mean achievement in a competitive market... Let us wish AR and let raaja sir live his own life... I think sir would also mind to do so...

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Originally Posted by gganesh

Do you think he wishes for an award...He is a sort of an accomplished soul... he has his own world... horizon in which he dwells into... Let he remain in peace.... don't go gaga over his attitude towards life... if u think or the world thinks he is garvi let them be... I think it is his attitude towards life that brought the best out of him... the melody... the harmony... the arrangements... the soothing BGMS... the orchestration.... everything is his life and he is in his simple best...

His thoughts are beyond limits and you as a fan should understand the sort of personality he is... His world is unique and so he is not good at marketing himself.... it is also because he is thinking beyond his self... Its the maturity that we should develop that...Let us wish AR and let raaja sir live his own life... I think sir would also mind to do so...

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:bow: very very well said.
I find music to my SOUL (not just my heart or mind) with IR music.
He has reached innumerable people and touched their very self (soul) with his music. Thats enough.

"Plum,
Raagas doesn't know Thamizh "
CR, kizhinjidhu po!
Raagas, I usually find it difficult to translate - I dont think before writing and write it as I think so it becomes difficult to capture it in a different language - still I'll try:
"The personal rivalry between Rahman and Raja, as I perceive it, is not about 'whose daddy is bigger', which is what the rivalry between their respective fans is. What stops both of them from praising each other's music full-heartedly, is, again as I perceive it, a difference between their respective schools of thought on music. For Rahman, music is about the final product and how pleasing it is to the ears. Deliberation, improvisation, constant tinkering with a view to a more pleasing final product - that is his route. His style includes cross-audience pleasing elements and while I'm putting it in such simple words, that is not so easy to achieve. Break all Rules, infact, learn all rules with a view to breaking them later is a root aspect of his musical philosophy. For Raja, spontaneity, speed, rigidity, fidelity to underlying forms -these are sarcosanct. You can think that of a person who visualises music as a sequence of notes in his mind first. When this twain meet...well, they dont meet, do they?
That is why when ARR talks about IR, he talks about the latter's spirituality and clean living and emphasises those as the attributes he absorbed from IR. IR's musical elements are not in his school of thought and therein lies his hesitation to acknowledge IR as his influence. In a way I would say, by choosing to do things IR didnt do, in a way IR influenced him but thats just semantics :-).

Coming to IR, he would probably talk about Rahman's perseverance, toil and effort rather than about specific musical output.

The clash between their fans is of "whose daddy is bigger" but you cannot hold them responsible for it even if they refuse to acknowledge each other's musical prowess - they cannot abandon a lifelong belief in their musical school of thought just because their fans have a more primal rivalry - as rajasaranam indicates, some ARR fans might even be taking this as a personal victory and taking personal satisfaction in whining by some Raja fans but that is totally missing the point. I am comfortable with ARR/IR not acknowledging each other's specific musical prowess. I wouldnt call either of them mean and churlish for it.

Ganesh, thats what i am telling this people from day one. But they seem to think IR has become some sort of lonely soul seeking for despair with no recognition. Its quite obvious from all his speeches that he is more of publicity-void personality who does not like music being showcased around for recognition purposes. He is like a philosophical person who believes music should be brought out for a good purpose and for people to understand rather than be marketed.

Ithu yellam purinchirunthaa evalo negativity intha forumil irukaathu.

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If an award eludes him should he tamper his life with the thought... His thoughts are beyond limits and you as a fan should understand the sort of personality he is... His world is unique and so he is not good at marketing himself.... it is also because he is thinking beyond his self... Its the maturity that we should develop that... a global musician has got a global award... it is no mean achievement in a competitive market... Let us wish AR and let raaja sir live his own life... I think sir would also mind to do so...

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You are right on money!! IMO most of us IR fans didnt understand his charcter/personality fully. The same thing which we regard as the best of the world might matters nothing to IR. Thats what i have observed from all his books and speech.

Where as on the other hand, no one would hv imagined about an indian/tamilian getting an oscar even in their dream, Now ARR has got two. Rather than whinning about IR not being recognized globally, now its time to celebrate as IR gonna do.

Plum

you achoed my thoughts. there is a difference in schools of thought. I wonder why fans on either side fail to absorb this fact. I, for one, enjoy the music created by both. IR gives me certain kind of enjoyment and ARR's music gives me enjoyment of another type. Fine enough. Both are different and have some commonalities, such as - both being perfectionists (the point is not abt whose is best, but they both polish their tunes to the maximum possible level) and both being sincere in whatever they do.

It would be interesting to see what IR has got to say about ARR, from his perspective. ARR already told abt IR many times and 'How To Name It' is ARR's most fav instrumental album.

gganesh,

You almost wrote my mind :) Not only his music, sometimes his philosophical outlook towards life has inspired me (Not Theism, ofcourse) That I have come to ignore these awards, celebration etall and just smile at the 'Arthamatra koochal'.
raagas asked me a genuine question that 'If I will be like this had Raaja won the award?'. 'I really dont know' is the answer. Its too long that he had won any award and I've just become numb to the fact. There were some honorary awards bestowed on him by AP Govt. and some filmfare awards he got, It did stir me a little but there was no great elation. The reason is Every goddamn year I found some one else (Not only ARR) getting an award I knew that there was an album composed by Raaja which was far more superior 'musically'. Siraichaalai, Heyram, Bharathi, devarmagan, mahanathi, Sethu, Pithamagan, Guru...to name a few. So I sincerely think that we Raaja fans have to just ignore these awards and move on...Because there is no meaning in it, Period!

I second plum. When IR and ARR pursue diagonally opposite school of music, I dunt expect one to compliment or even acknowledge the other . I wonder why the fans expect their idols to lavish empty rhetoric just for publicity sake.
As an aside, The devil in me likes to actually see the rivals with their claws sharpened. But in reality they are so "diplomacy" personified that only the fans have to fight a bland battle [ adikkadhengo - jk]