Maestro Ilaiyaraja New Albums 2011 - Hello Jaihind / Sri Rama Rajyam

Again, I am not questioning "Why Chorus" there. It is just that I would have preferred instrumental pieces there. Clearly, in most cases, we agree that there is a "soundtrack" reason for having the chorus - but the question is is there a musical reason as well? Only Raja can answer that.

Also, rprasad's perspective on spontaneity is also interesting and plausible.

rprasad, your views on 'professionalism' are spot on - a fitting answer to over-zealous professional types(so professional that they are in the hub during office time) questioning his ethics that he takes money and produces sub-par stuff. This is a creative art, and a lot of factors determine the output - no way you can say that he deliberately underperforms. The fact that many duds got great music is proof that output is not related to great story/scenario/director alone - it is a random function of various factors hence we cant really comment much on professionalism here.

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Originally Posted by rprasad

Forgot to address the recognition factor for IR. Well the fact is IR makes film songs which have all the elements typical to an Indian film song. Now because IR dazzles with his orchestral brilliance some of us want to see that in full and not mixed in with typical fimy hooks/phrases. Well not all movies/directors give him an opportunity to do so. and he is not really concerned about global recognition and stuff. But we do have sufficent number of albums which are worthy of being in that category of unadulaterated brilliant orchestral music along with tunes.
But again lets remember that the common masses enjoy the IR songs with those hooks and phrases as well and they make up the majority and not use who want to intellectually analyze his music.

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do you want to hear more of IR in the near/faroff future ?? do you want him to sustain this level of energy next few years ??

well, then, there is one sureshot way of making it all happen - IR gets the recognition - howsoever we may live in self-denial (about him not wanting recognition), for a man who has dedicated his entire life to music, the least he wud want his true/genuine recognition - thats what will motivate him - this happened in 2004, when massimo simonini who had listened to IR's music by chance, approached IR at prasad studios and sang a few tunes (including 'putham puthu kaalai'!) and the result ? the italy tour happened and we got to hear the orchestral version of the 'thumbi vaa' score as well as the 3-note composition - if a massimo had not appreciated IR and expressed his desire to invite IR to italy, none of this wud have happened

only with recognition, (the right kind of) ppl (with a desire to get the best out of him, like balki or massimo) gonna flock to him with projects - or else, 2010 onwards its gonna be dry

Well IRIR, here we go again that song in Sitara is one of my all time fav, precisely due to the vocals and the sounds. I think Rajasaranam had already talked about the Vamsi, IR combination and how they like to experiment with voices so i will not rehash it again. Maybe for some other songs such phrases could have been avoided? ofcourse but as i said some experiments work and some do not. SO lets leave it at that.

As for your point on his recognition, yes i do want to keep listening to IR's music for years to come. But that does not mean that by suddenly projecting IR a little more would result in him getting good projects. Who would have thought 2009 would be such a good year for IR. Willl 2010 be a lean year as far as project go ? probably but that never has dampened his energy before. He is at a stage in his career where he does music for those who come to him. Now i do agree that for his talent he ought to have got more accolades/recognition.But hey certain things are what they are. North India is atleast getting some sample of IR's genius now so better late than never. As far projecting him to international audience , he is already well known in western classical circles as far as others that is not going to happen just by presenting them with his albums. I for one would prefer a well made documentry kind of film focussing on IR's talents/achievements with people involved with IR talking about his skill. That would really help.

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Originally Posted by rprasad

As far projecting him to international audience , he is already well known in western classical circles as far as others that is not going to happen just by presenting them with his albums. I for one would prefer a well made documentry kind of film focussing on IR's talents/achievements with people involved with IR talking about his skill. That would really help.

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outside of India and maybe Hungary/UK, not a soul in the western classical music circles have heard of him! take it from me, I have interacted with 'n' no of orchestras here in the US, and not one of them have heard of him! its a hard fact, but true

the only Indian musicians they are familiar with are Pt. Ravi Shankar (for his association with George Harrison and the beatles and his scores for Gandhi etc) and Zubin Mehta - most ethnomusicologists know abt Ustad Zakir Hussain, and film music circles ppl identify India with ARR (post-oscars) and bollywood film music, period! pop music lovers mention Norah Jones (though she is more american than indian) and offbeat music listeners have even heard of susheela raman, but NOT IR!

very rarely do ethnomusicologists like Zoe Sherenian, or another UCLA person are familiar with IR! and thats abt it!

and with PAA, IR's music is being generically referred to as bollywood music, while the entire focus is on Bachhan's role as a 13-year old!

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Originally Posted by K

one help Sir KSMS Song theriyum, Poraada daa from Alaiosai? unga kitta iruntha pls share. Thank u.

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Here
http://www.mediafire.com/?tjamwyfdx4v

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thank u once again Sir

IRIR, i am well aware of the facts. there is no hard fact. I dont know why u think IR should be known by everyone in music industry.One is known based on the works they do, and IR only did a few so his reach is small only. maybe if his symphony was released he would have gained more recognition but that did not happen for various reasons. He probably got discouraged by that a lot and stopped.He is just not that type of person who strives to get global recognition given his background and nature. Maybe if he had come up in this era things would have been different. Lets face it composing for south indian films will not get him any global recognition and he is not into bollywood except for few projects. and he is not into collaborations with foreign artists( he likes to write everything himself) which is another sure fire way of getting global recongnition. lets not keep lamenting about this. Lets hope he has time to come up with more non film albums. Maybe marketing his BGM's would be a better idea than trying to mrket his songs which are more ethnic than generic.

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Originally Posted by kiru

Reasonable..on a similar vein ..I dont like IR talking in TIS .."oh idhu dhaan symphony orchestravaa .."

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Ah i hated it so much. I hated it at 2 levels. At a primary level, i felt that monologue wasnt nice as such.He could have simply started the song.

secondly, I felt like yelling at him - "What the hell man!!! you have been doing 'Symphony' styled music pieces since 25 damn years.. you excel in that.. and now you ask that stupid innocent question!!what kind of weird PJ (poor joke) is that..." :)

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Originally Posted by rprasad

Infact that is the main reason ARR succeded so quickly in the North since his tunes/music are more generic in nature with no strong cultural influences of a region or a language. I am quoting ARR as an example only and not saying his music is bad or anything. so please do not create an issue out of this.

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I beg to differ initially that might have been the case, listen to the songs in Delhi6 he sounds more like a composer from north, a junoon or strings scoring for films. But IR never seems to come up with something like that. no... i am not i am finding fault . Simply saying you can find traces of his south indian origins upto the songs in PAA.

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ezy, spiderman 3yil spidermanukku yeppadi venom pugunthu mareenaaro neenga thalaivarakku venom pugunthu mareena maathiri pesurunga. Cool down. :D


I think this is a frequently touched upon issue which is never ending just like IR vs ARR which is doomed to be on until the end of time. Thalaivar's style of composing generically has a very unique pattern which moulds itself into the films main storyline. I dunt think you can necessarily claim it as south indianish(I dunt think anybody would call ennadi meenakshi and sing swing as south indianish upon hearing).

The thing about thalaivar is unless the setting calls for a very genre-specific composition, the instances of any instruments or orchestration related to that situation is going to be blended in with thalaivar's main orchestration. PAA's mudi mudi might not sound "hindish" but when you see according to that situation you will realise that the song with its orchestration is a perfect fit for that movie. Thalaivar cant score a totally hindish song or any other language for that matter just for the sake of composing it. Situations should lend credence to this before he can arrive at such a composition.